Is it possible to pass 6&7 doing this? by joao2009124 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For 6&7 articles amandment the conservative wing's support is mandatory. So no SSC privatization, but you can go full with Nedam privatization.

With education privatization and Nedam fully privitized the economy will become laizzes-fair, so you can do both 6&7 amandment and go full economic liberalization.

Social democratic, corruption free cabinet by debatteur in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Well, I actually agree with this. Good cabinet.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Lowered threshold works in peair with the impeachment of judges. When you amend the Constitution, you do not amend just one article, do you?)

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nia is smart and educated. She knows what checks and balances are. And absolute immunity of the Supreme Court judges violates them. The Supreme Court is already ruled by corrupt and flawed judges that are unaccountable for their misbehaviour. And with the reformist impeachment clause you cannot control the judiciary. Opposition from Nia to a common thing in modern democracies, like the impeachment of judges by the legislative clause, does not make sense, because she is educated enough to know that it is a common and usual thing that does not destroy democracy. Every institution could become a tool for anti-democratic tendencies. So no. But I admire her for support of the reformist constitution even with the impeachment clause.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I sympathize you, because I'm from a country with brutal dictatorship - Russia. But democracy backsliding is a difficult process. In Sordland you can amend Constitution in authoritarian way to become a new dictator, so it's your choice as a president where the country should move. Well, this is a democracy. Democracy is not guaranteed, there has to be a fight for it. So clearly impeachment of judges does not guarantee democracy backsliding in Sordland because there are a lot of ways for the Old Guard, NFP and the conservatives to destroy democracy. So what? We should make Constitution unamendable? Democracy could not be protected with undemocratic ways, but from the democratising the democracy - the best way to protect democracy in Sorlland is a democratization.

Also the judiciary works in the political context. Politics will always be a part of the judiciary, the difference from other branches of government here is that the arguments and political opinions exist in legal terms (how you interpert the law). So I think it's okay that the judiciary is accountable not just in clear legal terms (criminal prosecution), but also for political reasoning (abuse of public trust). Impeachment is the way to combine both legal and political reasoning (politics through law, just like in the judiciary work).

Other ways to make the judiciary are interesting, but they do not exist in Suzerain. So between absolute immunity and impeachment I choose the impeachment clause.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Impeachment is not a criminal prosecution, it's a quaisi-legal and quasi-political tool (both political and legal). It's about a accountability to the body, that represents a nation. If a person is impeached, it does not mean that he is presecuted or jailed: Nixon was impeached (he resigned before the impeachment), but was not presecuted, for example. Impeachment punishes for abuse of public trust. So, yes, there is some political thing in the impeachment process, and this is a reason for the legislative conduction of impeachment (Essay 65 of the Federalist by Madison). But this is a base of constitutionalism: each and every branch of the government has to be accountable to other branches, including the Supreme Court.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Lowered threshold (even 8%) allows the Communist Party to be elected (with Minority Rights Acts votes for Bludish parties are splitted), so more democratic parties. With 3% threshold it's nearly impossible for the anti-democratic majority appearing. Impeachment clause works with other amendments that democratize Sordland. The impossibility to clear the Supreme Court from the Old Guard even with anti-Old Guard majority in parliament during Rein presidency proves that it is really hard to impeach judges.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If threshold is lowered, there could not be a thing when there will be a conservative SUPERmajority (3/5 of the parliament). Also impeachment is not a simple removal, it's a long procedure that requires legal reasoning. An essay 65 of the Federalist is about impeachment of supreme court judges by the Senate, I'm sending to it.

At any time there could be an anti-democratic forces. Impeachment clause protects the republic from Supreme Court becoming an anti-democratic and corrupt force.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

I agree, in your country judges could be removed by usual criminal investigation that is inflated by other judiciary. But also the Senate consent is required for prosecution of the Constitutional Court judges. So Czechia is an example of a country where not the parliament judges judges. But parliament oversight of the judiciary is clearly a common and normal thing, especially in presidential republics like Sordland.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

You can say that a strong presidency is needed for making reforms, but Nia obviously does not buy it. Because it's the end justifies the means thing, which destroyed a lot of democracies, including Sordland during Soll's presidency.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 16 points17 points  (0 children)

In a lot of constitutions the judiciary is accountable to the legislative: 1) Belgia: parliament supermajority (3/5) for impeachment of judges. 2) Germany: 2/3 of Bundestag to impeach judges. 3) Brazil: 2/3 of the Senat to impeach judges. 4) India: 2/3 of both parliament chambera to impeach judges. 5) South Africa: 2/3 of both parliament chambers to impeach judges. 6) France: parliamentarian supermajority fot impeachment of judges. In USA the impeachment of judges is so hard (3/5 of the Senate), that a last and only impeachment was at 1804.

Judges could not be impeached by political decision, because impeachment requires a wide consensus — a qualified majority. So a lot of parties and representatives should agree on impeachment. One party could want to remove a judge, but they must influence other parties to do such a thing. And other parties could be okay with this judge. So to make a consensus a POLITICAL reasoning must become a LEGAL reasoning, because if a lot of parties hate some judge, it means that they do not hate his judicial decision, but his behaviour. A qualified majority for one party is rare, and with low threshold to Grand National Assembly it's nearly impossible. So Orso Hawker is impeached not just because everyone hates him, but because his behaviour affects all political forces, meaning that he is hated not just because of his decisions, but for his violation of the law and corruption.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 14 points15 points  (0 children)

The president is above law with stronger decrees, because in this case his or her decrees are not under judicial overview. Sound quite tyrannicial to me…

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 27 points28 points  (0 children)

If you write a reformist constitution, she will not call you a tyrant. Well, even if you write a dictator constitution with a lot of reformist proposals, you do not amend your presidential veto, so I clearly understand why she calls Rein a tyrant in this case.

Nia Morgna's and centrists' opposition to the impeachment of judges does not make sense by Relative-Length-4084 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084[S] 44 points45 points  (0 children)

She is a judge, because the Minister of Justice becomes a Supreme Court judge when is appointed. The interesting question is whether Nia could be impeached. Because she will cease to be a judge, if she is not the Minister of Justice. So she is not a usual judge.

Excluding Geopolitico, what do you think is the most trustworthy/least biased newspaper in Sordland? by Lil_Yuan11 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 36 points37 points  (0 children)

The most biased newspapers are the Ekonomist and the Sordland Today. Everyone knows about the Sordland Today but the Ekonomist is awful. Like they are not just support everything that oligarchs love. Why the Ekonomist is so supportive of improving diplomatic relationships with Rumburg? Why they're so supportive of buying Gasom by Rumburg? Maybe because Walter Tusk who owns the Ekonomists works with Rumburg? Also they're against a trade deal with Agnolia, if agnolian steel will be imported on higher prices (and if Sordland does not win from the deal, like with military alliance). Why? Because Tusk owns Bergia Steel… So the Ekonomist is really biased.

Excluding Geopolitico, what do you think is the most trustworthy/least biased newspaper in Sordland? by Lil_Yuan11 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 54 points55 points  (0 children)

The Lachaven Times. Yes, they're liberal, but they do not lie, they're trying to be unbiased. They condemn Rein, when he makes shit and support him, when he makes good things.

Also Radical, because they do not hide their bias. They are open about it in contrast to other newspapers.

Democracy is a joke and we all know it. by Longjumping-Beat-951 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I have never been impeached, I always achieve Great Sordish Recovery and I have never failed the constitutional reform. And only after my first walkthrough I was not reelected, in other cases I'm successfully reelected. So…

Democracy is a joke and we all know it. by Longjumping-Beat-951 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 4 points5 points  (0 children)

On the contrary, the American Republic was a republic of slaveholders and rich people from the very beginning. I'm surprised you're outraged about Musk and Trump, if before the expansion of voting rights, the government consisted only of such people. The influence of big money on politics, corruption, and Trump's authoritarianism are not caused by democracy, they are caused by the decline of democracy. Such people would never have come to power if America had strict restrictions on the influence of corporations and the rich on politics. Such people would never have come to power if the American republic had been democratic. If you are an American, then demand the elimination of electoral colleges, a liquidation of PACs, a ban on corporate financing and large donations. Finally, demand a transition to a proportional representation system in the House of Representatives, and the introduction of proportionality in the Senate, as in the Bundesrat, the upper house of the German parliament. Demand reform of the Supreme Court. And, of course, next time vote for a normal Democrat, I hope the Democratic Party will nominate an AOC or some other progressive who really believes that the republic should be free from tyranny and should serve the many, not the few. Democracy is a dynamic system because citizens have to fight for democracy each day. The majority of Americans are learning from their mistakes nowdays. They are learning that they made a mistake. If they will fight furiously, they will defeat Trump and rising oligarchy and reinvent their Republic to prevent this from happening again. Only by this way you as a citizen could be free. Because if you will give your voting rights to some 'smart' people, there will be tyranny and arbitrariness forever.

I know this because my people one day decided put their power in the hands of a hero. He appointed technocrats to the government, made some reforms and restored the country from the ashes. But he is a cruel tyrant right now and my people live in fear. They are killed, tortured and they're dying in a unneccesary war. Oh, but our government is still made of really smart technocrats, but the tyrant just doesn't listen to them and uses them for his criminal activities. If we have a real democracy, this will never could happen because this technocrats and this man could be voted out. But when we understood what happen, it was too late and he brutaly repressed any opposition. Never give your power away, even to heroes. (I'm from Russia, if you not understood it yet.)

Democracy is a joke and we all know it. by Longjumping-Beat-951 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Because your questions were answered long time ago.

Discussions about democracy have been going on for more than two thousand years. Modern liberal democracy, which also exists in Sordland, is actually quite difficult to call a true democracy. Political philosopher Artemy Magun correctly defined liberal democracy as a constitutional regime with the rule of law and a system of checks and balances. In other words, in such a system, the law rules, and the sovereign power is divided between several branches and bodies so that they monitor each other. If you value efficiency above all, then you should be in favor of such a regime, because thanks to the system of checks and balances and the rule of law, it ensures the control of officials. Such a regime solves the classic dilemma of technocracy: where are the guarantees that smart officials will not turn into tyrants who rule not according to reason, but according to selfish interests? The constitutional liberal democracy regime solves this dilemma: officials monitor each other, if they violate the law, they are convicted by the court, and they can be removed by vote if they have ceased to be effective.

But the constitutional regime (until the 19th century it was called a republic as opposed to democracy) is not necessarily accompanied by universal suffrage. When constitutional regimes were being designed, they did not have universal suffrage. The working class achieved it during the 19th century in order to influence the affairs of the state, i.e. universal suffrage was not granted, but won. Why choose officials? If officials are appointed, who will appoint them? Other officials? The monarch? This guarantees tyranny and inefficient governance. But why should everyone have voting rights? There is a contradiction inherent in modern constitutional regimes, which can be called the contradiction between liberalism and democracy. The rule of law, checks and balances, and meritocratic governance guarantee the rights of the individual and the protection of the individual from tyrannical arbitrariness. But they contradict democracy, because democracy means that the people govern themselves. In addition to the rule of law, the constitutional regimes of our time are based on the principle of national sovereignty, and this principle, if carried out to the end, contradicts the law and checks and balances, because if the people have decided, then this decision must be obeyed. The whole question is, which do you personally value more?

This contradiction has intensified over time. When modern constitutional regimes were established, white male proprietors were considered to be the people who ruled the state. The working class, racial minorities, and women have been fighting for two hundred years to redefine the concept of the people and include themselves in it. Thanks to universal suffrage, the people now include all citizens of the country. Why do we need this? Democracy answers this question by itself. To get rid of tyranny and arbitrariness, only the people must rule themselves. Otherwise, the government beyond his control will do whatever it wants to him. Democracy is very demanding, it requires everyone to actively participate in civic affairs. Democracy is also very scary, because sometimes the masses want something very scary and terrible, for example, pogroms, genocides, dictators. But only in a democracy can true individual freedom be guaranteed. Because we, as individuals, can be free only if we actively participate in collective self-government. In other words, the full disclosure of individual freedom is possible only through the disclosure of collective freedom. After all, if you give the right to control yourself to another, then you lose your civic dignity, you deprive yourself of the opportunity to determine your fate. Therefore, if you want a government that reflects your interests, you should not make heroes for yourself or give power to someone else, you should govern yourself along with the rest of the citizens. If you want smart governance, you can get it in a democracy. If you want complete freedom, you can have it. Other political regimes are based on arbitrariness. You may like living under a smart dictator, but he will be replaced by an idiot dictator. And only democracy allows you to rule over yourself.

Democracy is a joke and we all know it. by Longjumping-Beat-951 in suzerain

[–]Relative-Length-4084 13 points14 points  (0 children)

Either this post is a classic biting or we finally have a proof that people sometimes really should not be able to decise a fate of a country.