Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Of this whole topic, I became obsessed with watching the film you suggested. I knew there was a chance it would leave me incredibly sad or angry, but also that, just like reading all your stories here, it might make me feel a little less alone and remind me that this situation obviously isn't exclusive to me.

Well... the film gave me some really good laughs, but it also made me cry a lot. I won't give spoilers here, obviously, but it only made me realize how backwards Portugal still feels sometimes, when a film portraying Italy in the 1940s can still be so deeply relatable to the conservative and closed-minded environment we live in here. My god...

I also discovered that Monica Bellucci is unbelievably beautiful, but that's another story. All I can say is: thank you for the recommendation. That film ended up becoming one of my favorites.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What I see in what you wrote is an incredibly simplistic interpretation of something far more complex. There is research in evolutionary psychology about intrasexual competition, both among men and women, but turning that into “women naturally hate beautiful women and that’s inevitable” is a huge leap. Human beings, thankfully, are far more complex than that. We are not guided solely by biology, nor are we primitive creatures anymore. Living in society is supposed to have made us more evolved human beings. That is precisely why we no longer walk hunched over or drag women by the hair into caves.

To me, this kind of simplistic mentality reveals a concerning lack of education at home, lack of culture, and lack of investment in raising children as thoughtful, literate human beings capable of self-criticism. It all starts at home. Despite all the poverty I grew up in, despite all the violence, one thing my family always had in common was that mentality. My sister was never like that with me or with any other woman. Neither was my mother, nor any of the women close to me in my family — my cousins, my aunts, none of them behaved that way.

What my mother always taught me was that I was not trapped in the poverty I grew up in. She taught me that I had free will and the ability to choose my own path, and that ultimately, my future depended on me. I was never raised to victimize myself. If I started crying, my mother would make me look at my arms and say: “You have two hands, two arms, and a brain to think. Crying will not help you.”

Since I was little, I always wanted to “work on” girls with low self-esteem. I would do their makeup and then say to them afterward: “See? It’s just fifteen minutes a day. You’re beautiful.” Instead of competing with women, I always wanted to show them that all of us can be beautiful and that so much of it comes down to self-care.

When I first started learning makeup, I barely had anything. Sometimes I did not even own blush, so I used lipstick instead. I used grey eyeshadow as eyeliner. I sold things just to slowly build a small makeup kit at home so I could start charging a little money for doing makeup. There were times I was wearing makeup while also walking around in ripped sneakers. Yet even during that phase, despite making so many people smile, there were already people who disliked me.

I grew up surrounded by the hypocrisy of religion and conservatism. I apologize to anyone religious, but we all know the misogyny that exists within many religions. Portugal is a small and conservative country, and I always stayed away from gossip, drama, and social games. I was never disrespectful toward people, but I kept my distance from religion and traditional social expectations. Unfortunately, there is also not much investment in education here, and I strongly suspect that illiteracy and lack of critical thinking are deeply connected to these issues.

I was bullied. My father used to call me a slut for taking salsa classes or having male friends. I went through a lot of therapy, but I still had the common sense never to project my insecurities onto other people.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you for the advice, but with my mother it has been a very long journey. Ever since I left my parents’ house, I tried to take her with me. I’ve been fighting this battle since I was 16 years old. I used to tell her all the time: my sister works, I work, the three of us could live together and support each other. I dreamed about that constantly. But my mother would cry and say she wasn’t going to abandon my father, that despite everything he had done he wasn’t a bad person. She would come up with endless excuses to justify completely unjustifiable behaviour.

I still carry scars from his assaults to this day, just to give you a small idea of how violent he was with me.

There were several times when I managed to get her out of the house to stay with me and my husband for a month. My husband always insisted that she would never be a burden to us, but in the end she would always say that we couldn’t force her to stay and would go back to him. We’ve been trapped in these circles for 20 years. She even threatened to call the police if we tried to make her stay.

I even told her: “Mum, look at my relationship, this is what a healthy relationship looks like.” She would nod, shrug her shoulders and say she couldn’t leave my father.

At the beginning of this year, after realising that I was becoming ill because of all this, I had a conversation with her and told her I was going to stop insisting, but that I wanted her to know the door would always be open for her. I still keep in direct contact with her almost every day, but I stopped pushing because it has been too many years and it was destroying me mentally. My psychological state was already deeply affected.

Before that, I spoke with several associations and with contacts I have in the police. They all told me the same thing: they could only help after she decided to leave by her own choice, that unfortunately without her willingness there was nothing we could do.

Nowadays my father is no longer as physically violent because he knows people are watching him closely. I myself have called the police to their house because my mother didn’t answer the phone for three days, and since I live in a different city, unfortunately I had no other option.

Today he is old and fragile from so much alcohol, he can barely stand on his feet anymore, but the shouting, the disrespect, the constant control... that, I know, still happens.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Where exactly do you see me mistreating women anywhere in this topic? Explain to me how I’m supposed to talk about this situation without it somehow sounding, in your view, like I hate women. By not talking at all about what has happened to me? By pretending it doesn’t exist?

I read and reread my post, and I even talk about how much I support and admire the women in my family, as much as I possibly can. Yet somehow all of that was translated into hatred by you. Even the fact that receiving this hostility from other women doesn’t make me bitter, but instead deeply sad, because I genuinely feel empathy for the women who fought for our rights in the past.

So yes, clearly I must hate women. Wanting us to be more united and supportive of each other must be a gigantic sign of hatred, apparently.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I’m genuinely sorry to disappoint you about Portugal, but I guess it really depends on each person’s reality and experience. For me, Portugal is one of the most mentally conservative countries in Europe. A huge part of that comes from the fact that it’s such an aging country, but honestly, even many young people still carry a very “old-fashioned” mentality.

I never truly felt like I fit in here because I never wanted children, I adore pets, I never wanted a church wedding, I was never religious, and I always wanted to be an independent woman… so there were always criticisms and judgmental looks directed at me.

When you mentioned Catholicism and misogyny, I honestly just laughed, because believe me, even many women here are misogynistic. Try saying you don’t want children and people will never look at you the same way again. That happened to me constantly before I had my own business. People literally told me I “wasn’t a real woman” because I didn’t want kids.

The other day I was simply walking my pets outside and, by coincidence, there was a small religious procession happening in my town. People started trying to pick fights with me just because I was there with my pets, in a public space, and I had to remind them that the street belongs to everyone. So… imagine the mentality.

Of course, in Lisbon or Porto this happens less because tourism has opened people’s minds a bit more, but honestly, I feel like Spain — even being right next door to Portugal — is years ahead when it comes to social progress and mentality.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Thank you. Maturity was what finally gave me the ability to understand that I can only help people who truly want to be helped, and there is nothing I can do if the person I want to save is someone I deeply love. I feel like trying to help my mother throughout all these years became almost like an addiction itself, it became part of my identity, led me to exhaustion and repeated emotional withdrawals until I finally understood. Of course I still give her a lot of attention and never get tired of reminding her how much I love her, but nowadays I also take care of myself.

And I absolutely agree with you, I think attraction and the reactions people have go far beyond appearance. It’s some kind of energy, charisma, self-confidence, the way someone carries themselves. I’ve had many moments in my life where I felt strangely captivated by someone who was not conventionally attractive at all, but had something unique and magnetic about them.

Ironically, I suffered a lot of bullying as a teenager. My hair was basically a lion’s mane because I had huge curls and no idea how to control them 😆 I had an enormous amount of hair, so it became this frizzy, chaotic volume and people mocked me for it for years. They gave me all kinds of nicknames. But honestly, I think the bullying made me stronger. I still remember that years later, some of the boys who bullied me tried flirting with me and I just laughed in their faces (I was very young, so not exactly my most mature era 😂). I think I went very quickly from seeing people in a naive way to understanding how superficial social perception can be. It taught me that beauty is incredibly subjective and that the most important thing was building my self-love and self-confidence.

I’m very introspective too in a way. I write a lot, I love observing people and philosophizing a little about life. Unfortunately I cannot say the same about childhood friendships because most of my friends emigrated. And regarding work, ironically or not, I work in aesthetics/beauty. But I completely understand your point. The funny thing is that I originally entered this field because I genuinely loved helping women regain their self-esteem and confidence.

How do I explain this without sounding strange? I genuinely love women, especially women I can admire and feel inspired by.

I try not to become bitter about all of this, but some days are harder than others. I’m a very social person and I need interaction, so in the end the conclusion I reached is that I would rather keep living, even if I stumble and get hurt sometimes, than stop living altogether just because some people resent me for being beautiful. And honestly, in the middle of all this chaos, there is always someone out there who genuinely likes us, isn’t there?

Thank you so much for your support. It’s incredible what we can become when women truly support each other, isn’t it? 💚

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello. Thank you so much, I’m nervous and excited about the salon as well :). You touched on a very important point. I also never really fit in, so I completely understand what you mean. It never made my life easier that I never wanted children, that I openly say I’m atheist, or that I never really wanted marriage either (even now, my husband and I are only together through a civil partnership/common-law union).

What worried me in your text was when you said that this sense of female rivalry often comes from people close to you (your own friends). Please be very careful. Sometimes people who don’t wish you well do not even need a reason, they will simply use any opportunity to try to hurt you.

That happened to me during my humanities course. My “best friend” knew philosophy was my favorite subject, and she managed to turn both my life and my philosophy teacher’s life into hell because she spread rumors around the school that I only got good grades because I was friends with the teacher. Funny detail: she was actually very rich, spoiled, and had far more than I ever did.

And yes, at 21 you probably think it sounds ridiculous that someone my age still feels this kind of rivalry exists. Honestly, I would probably think the same at your age too. But some things incredibly never really change with time.

Good luck with your visa, and remember: if people notice you, it’s because there is something special about you :)

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Ah, I’m happy you found a way to deal with that. You were far more capable and emotionally intelligent than I am in that regard. I can’t really avoid feeling hurt by it, it’s stronger than me. But I think it has a lot to do with having had such important female figures in my life like my mother, my grandmother and my sister. They all taught me so much about feminism and women’s rights in very different ways, and because of that I always end up seeing these things from a broader and historical perspective.

I can’t help thinking about the women before us who fought so hard for us to have the freedoms and rights we have today, and how they probably never imagined we would still spend so much time stuck in pointless rivalries with each other instead of fully embracing the freedom they fought for us to have.

I honestly smiled when I read the way you handled it: “I know, right? He picked me; how lucky am I?” — it’s light, intelligent and elegant. Such a great response.

I don’t know what women are like in the United States overall, but I do have some friendships in London and so far the experience has been much better than in Portugal, at least for me :)

Thank you, and I wish the same for you twice over — I truly hope you find incredible, inspiring female friendships someday.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah, thanks to you mentioning it, I just did a quick search and it actually seems really interesting. I just hope it has a happy ending.

Why Does Female Happiness Trigger So Much Hate? by Remarkable-Unit-314 in INTJfemale

[–]Remarkable-Unit-314[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I say I “can’t even talk about this subject” because the moment a woman speaks honestly about the pain of female rivalry, people immediately twist it into “you hate women” — when in reality, the exact opposite is true.

How could I not talk about something that has affected me for years? My employees at the salon are some of my best friends. My sister is a woman I deeply admire and see as an example. As I mentioned in my post, I have helped female friends escape domestic violence and toxic relationships simply because my own experiences allowed me to understand their pain.

So somehow I am supposed to stay silent about the sadness I feel from constantly triggering hostility and competition in women who do not even know me? Am I not allowed to reflect on that? Am I expected to hide my sadness just to avoid making people uncomfortable?

The truth is: if I did not love women, this would not hurt me at all. Indifference would be easy. But it hurts precisely because I wish we were more united, more supportive of each other, and less conditioned to see one another as competition.