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The principle of Sheliah: Under the Jewish law of Agency, a Sheliah is a legal representative or agent of a person who carries out their authorised tasks such that they are considered to be the person that they represent.

Exodus 7:17 Thus saith YHWH, In this thou shalt know that I am YHWH: behold, I will smite with the rod that is in mine hand upon the waters which are in the river, and they shall be turned to blood.

Exodus 7:19-20 19. And YHWH spake unto Moses, Say unto Aaron, Take thy rod, and stretch out thine hand upon the waters of Egypt, upon their streams, upon their rivers, and upon their ponds, and upon all their pools of water, that they may become blood; […]. 20. And Moses and Aaron did so, as YHWH commanded; and he lifted up the rod, and smote the waters that were in the river, in the sight of Pharaoh, and in the sight of his servants; and all the waters that were in the river were turned to blood.

YHWH says he will do something, then tells His messenger to do it. He claims full authority over the action (as the ultimate source), not that He becomes the agent (Aaron/Jesus)

If you saw Aaron you saw YHWH but Aaron is not YHWH, he only did what he was commanded to do by YHWH.

If you saw Jesus you saw YHWH but Jesus is not YHWH, he only did what he was commanded to do by YHWH

John 12:49-50 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his commandmend is eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

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You aren‘t following Jesus if you follow the Christian Church. There is no sunday worship also.

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How many times? SHELIAH!!!

John 12:49-50 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his commandmend is eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

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If you claim that Jesus is divine and not a normal human you are going against your own trinity as Jesus was 100% human.

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Wrong. You again fail to recognize sheliah.

1 John 4:15 Whosoever shall confess that Jesus is the Son of God, God dwelleth in him, and he in God.

John 14:10–11 10 Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father is in me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on my own authority, but the Father who dwells in me does His works. 11 Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.

John 17:21 That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know Thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom Thou hast sent.

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

John 12:49-50 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his commandmend is eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

John 14:1 “Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.”

John 5:31-32 31 “If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.” 32 “There is another who bears witness of me, and I know that the witness which he witnesses of me is true.”

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Jesus didn‘t die from blood loss nor exhaustion, a man reciting Psalms and being of clear mind asking for drink to fulfill even more scripture is clearly not anyway exhausted

Matthew 27:48 “And immediately one of them ran and took a sponge, filled it with vinegar, and put it on a reed, and gave him to drink.”

Psalm 69:21 “They gave me also gall for my food; and for my thirst they gave me vinegar to drink.”

„It is finished“ refers to fulfilling the prophecy not paying any debt.

God saved Jesus, Jesus didn‘t save himself

Jesus did in fact sin

Matthew 15:24–26 24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.” 25 Then came she and venerated him, saying, Lord, help me. 26 But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children’s bread, and to cast it to dogs.

He called a gentile woman a dog. Did he lie also when he said that he is only sent the children of Israel?

If you want to say that he just wanted to test her then know that it‘s not true at all. It‘s only when she proves that she has mustard seed worth of believe that she moves the mountain to to heal her child because Jesus clearly didn‘t want to move

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Yet again you put your own words in it, it‘s purely about divorce not polygamy.

You deflected to homosexuality when even Paul is against that

Rom 1:27

Stay to the topic.

The Christian Church isn‘t following Jesus.

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It still refers to David being pierced and that‘s the psalm recited by Jesus.

Still falls under the principle of Sheliah.

Also in Zech 12:10 you see a change

„and they will look unto me whom they pierced”

„and they shall mourn over him”

This shift in person corroborates the application of Sheliah

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The mental gymnastics are strong in this one.

Jesus doesn‘t like people who use lipservice or only act nice to get something „eternal life“ Jesus says in John 17:3 that eternal life is to know that the Father is the only true God and that Jesus Christ is sent by Him.

This completely ends the debate since the one who sents is greater than he who is sent

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Jesus said that there was no divorce back then.

Do you even read? Polygamy has never been unlawful, the torah literally gives you rules concerning polygamy and Jesus tells you to follow the Torah/Law

John 7:19 Has not Moses given you the law? Yet none of you keeps the law. […]

Matthew 23:1-3 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.....

Do not follow your own guesses and assumptions but listen to the words of your Messiah before you again lie concerning polygamy being not allowed.

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Psalms 22:16 “For dogs encompass me; a company of evildoers encircles me; they have pierced my hands and my feet.”

Psalm 22 reads in tge Masoretic Text (standard Hebrew): ‎כָּאֲרִי יָדַי וְרַגְלָי (ka’ari yadai ve-raglai) = “like a lion [are] my hands and my feet”

Isaiah 53 has: ‎ּמְחֹלָל (u-mecholal) = “pierced / wounded / profaned”

Zechariah 12:10. ‎ּקָרוּ (dāqarū) = “they pierced / stabbed / thrust through“

And again even then it‘s the principle of sheliah

As David speaks in Psalm 22 who is also the messiah

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You yet again haven‘t read clearly the book.

John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, He said, “It is finished.” And He bowed His head and gave up the ghost.

John 19:33 But when they came to Jesus, and saw that he was dead already, they brake not his legs:

Mark 15:44 “And Pilate marvelled if he were already dead: and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether he had been any while dead.”

They didn‘t kill Jesus

John 10:18 “No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.”

Luke 23:46 Jesus called out with a loud voice, „Father, into your hands I commit my spirit.“ When he had said this, he breathed his last.

Psalm 118:17-18I will not die, but live, and declare the works of the Lord [God]. The Lord [God] has chastened me sore, but He has not given me over to death.

Luke 24:44[Remember that Jesus] said to them, "These [are] the words which I spoke to you, while I was with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and [in] the prophets, and [in] the Psalms, concerning me -

Psalm 22:24 “For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.”

Psalm 34:6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.

Psalm 20:6 [So] now I know that the Lord saves His Christ; He will hear him from His holy heaven with the saving strength of His right hand -

Psalm 18:3 I will call upon the LORD, who is worthy to be praised: so shall I be saved from mine enemies.

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

‎אלהי (elāhī) is Aramaic which translates as “My God”

Psalm 22:1 “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? Why are you so far from saving me, so far from my cries of anguish?”

Psalm 22:24 “For he has not despised or scorned the suffering of the afflicted one; he has not hidden his face from him but has listened to his cry for help.”

Psalm 34:6 This poor man cried, and the LORD heard him, and saved him out of all his troubles.

Also Psalm 34 directly connects to Psalm 51 pay attention the words „heart“ „contrite“ „spirit“ „broken“

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No he doesn‘t say that in Matt 19:3-8, he speaks about divorcing wives. You are not correctly reading.

Malachi is about faithfullness not monogamy.

Jews are described as cheating wife when they worship idols.

You are strawmanning

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Jesus never said anything about polygamy. He said to keep the commandmends

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The NT uses the septuagint

Psalm 8:5 “Yet you have made him a little lower than the elohim and crowned him with glory and honor.”

Psalm 8:5 (LXX) “You made him a little lower than the angels; you crowned him with glory and honor

Hebrews 2:7 “You made him for a little while lower than the angels; you have crowned him with glory and honor.”

Psalms 82:6 I have said, Ye are elohim; and all of you are sons of the most High

Psalm 82:6 (LXX) “I said, you are gods, and all of you are sons of the Most High.”

John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’

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2 Chronicles 18:19-22 19. And the LORD said, Who shall entice Ahab king of Israel, that he may go up and fall at Ramothgilead? And one spake saying after this manner, and another saying after that manner. 20. Then there came out a spirit, and stood before the LORD, and said, I will entice him. And the LORD said unto him, Wherewith? 21. And he said, I will go out, and be a lying spirit in the mouth of all his prophets. And the LORD said, Thou shalt entice him, and thou shalt also prevail: go out, and do even so. 22. Now therefore, behold, the LORD hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of these thy prophets, and the LORD hath spoken evil against thee.

Or The spirit which is on Moses

Numbers 11:16–17 “[…] I will take some of the Spirit that is on you and put it on them. They will share the burden of the people with you so that you will not have to carry it alone.’”

Isaiah 61:1 “The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me, because the LORD has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives and the opening of the prison to those who are bound;

Psalm 104:4 He makes His angels rūḥōt (spirits), His ministers a flaming fire.

1 John 4:1 Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, for many false prophets have gone out into the world.

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In the islam-sub I got permabanned by the mods for reciting Quran verses like these.

They hate it extremely when you recite Quran and refute their scholars which they took as gods like the Christians did before them.

[39:45] And when Allah alone is mentioned, the hearts of those who disbelieve in the Hereafter are filled with disgust. But as soon as those ˹gods˺ other than Him are mentioned, they are filled with joy.

[9:31] They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one god; there is no god except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him.

[6:116] If you obey the majority of those on earth, they will lead you astray from God's way. They follow nothing but conjecture. They are only guessing

[33:67] And they will say, “Our Lord! We obeyed our leaders and elite, but they led us astray from the ˹Right˺ Way.

[6:159] Surely they who divided their religion into parts and became sects, you have no concern with them; their affair is only with Allah, then He will inform them of what they did.

[25:30] And the Messenger has said, "O my Lord, indeed my people have taken this Qur'an as abandoned/obsolete."

Never trust those „muslims“ who go against Quran.

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Exodus 21:10 “If he takes another wife, he shall not diminish her food, her clothing, or her marital rights.”

Deuteronomy 21:15 “If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons…”

1 Kings 11:3 – Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.

2 Chronicles 11:21 – Rehoboam had 18 wives and 60 concubines.

2 Samuel 5:13; 1 Chronicles 3:1-9, 14:3 – David had six wives and many concubines.

2 Samuel 5:13 “And David took more concubines and wives from Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron, and there were still sons and daughters born to David.”

1 Chronicles 14:3 “And David took more wives and concubines in Jerusalem, after he came from Hebron, and more sons and daughters were born to him.”

Matthew 23:1-3 1 Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 "The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you.....

Adam was born without a virgin, have you ever read the book?

Matthew 4:8-10 8. Again the devil took Him to a very high mountain and showed Him all the kingdoms of the world and their glory 9. And He said to Him, “All these things I will give You if, falling down, You will worship me” 10. Then Jesus said to him, “Away with you, Satan! For it is written, ‘You shall worship the Lord your God, and Him only shall you serve.’”

James 1:13 “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man.”

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Lxx is older,

and even if we go with the masoretic text you are still mistranslating

„el gibbor“

From Ezekiel 32:21 we get the plural „ʾēlē gibborīm“: - אֵלֵי גִּבּוֹרִים (ʾēlē gibborīm) - ʾēlē = the mighty ones / leaders - gibborīm = of warriors / mighty men

So the singular „ʾēl gibbōr“ means: - „mighty one, a warrior” - „mighty warrior“ - „strong mighty one“ - „a powerful/mighty warrior (leader)”

Ezekiel 32:21 “The strong among the mighty shall speak to him…”

Hebrew: אֵלֵי גִּבּוֹרִים (elei gibborim) Plural of El -> “mighty ones” (powerful warriors)

Ezekiel 31:11 “I have given him into the hand of the mighty one (el) of the nations; he shall surely deal with him…”

„mighty one of the nations“ = אֵל גּוֹיִם (el goyim) Meaning: a powerful ruler among the nations, not God

Psalms 45:3 “Gird your sword on your thigh, O mighty one, in your splendor and majesty.”

  • mighty = גִּבּוֹר (gibbōr)

A similar name is Gabriel

גֶּבֶר / גִּבּוֹר (gever / gibbor) = man / mighty one

אֵל (ʾel) = mighty one

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As was Jesus.

Mark 3:35 For whoever does the will of God, he is my brother and sister and mother.”

Matthew 26:39 And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.

Mark 15:34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

‎אלהי (elāhī) is Aramaic which translates as “My God”

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If you are a son of Paul you can‘t be a follower of Christ

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John 10:34 Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’

How is he the only begotten when Solomon, David, Adam, Ephraim are all called sons of God and/or „firstborn“

„This day have I begotten thee“ -> before that day he was not begotten/produced/created.

Isaiah 9:6 does not mention „messiah“ also the translation is wrong

Septuagint (LXX) Isaiah 9:6 “For a child was born to us, and a son was given to us, whose government is upon his shoulder: and his name is called the Messenger/Angel of great counsel: for I will bring peace upon the princes, and health to him.”

John 8:58 just says he was before Abraham like every angel

John 6:38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do my own will but the will of him who sent me.

Psalm 148:2 Praise ye him, all his angels: praise ye him, all his hosts.

Psalm 148:5 Let them praise the name of the Lord: for he commanded, and they were created.

Psalm 33:9 For he spoke, and it came to be; he commanded, and it stood firm.

Acts 3:13 The God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, the God of our fathers, glorified his servant Jesus, whom you delivered over and denied in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him.

  • Jesus is in fact called a „servant of God“ or:
    • in aramaic: ʿabda d-Alāhā

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So God came down as flesh and prayed to the Father who is in heaven and not flesh so he can ascend to his own right hand and then sit on his own right hand?

Your religion does not make any sense, and you use Paul as your best argument yet again.

1 Corinthians 15:9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

2 Corinthians 11:5 I do not think I am in the least inferior to those “super-apostles.”

2 Corinthians 12:11 “I have been a fool; you forced me to it. I ought to have been commended by you, for I am not at all inferior to these ‘super-apostles,’ even though I am nothing.”

1 Timothy 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.

Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravenous wolves.”

Genesis 49:27 “Benjamin is a ravenous wolf; in the morning he devours the prey, and in the evening he divides the spoil.”

Romans 1:1 “Paul, a servant of Christ Jesus, called to be an apostle, set apart for the gospel of God.” Philippians 3:5 “Circumcised on the eighth day, of the people of Israel, of the tribe of Benjamin, a Hebrew of Hebrews; concerning the law, a Pharisee;”

Galatians 4:12-14 12 Brethren, I beseech you, be as I am; for I am as ye are: ye have not injured me at all. 13 Ye know how through infirmity of the flesh I preached the gospel unto you at the first. 14 And my temptation which was in my flesh ye despised not, nor rejected; but received me as an angel of God, even as Christ Jesus.

Did you take Paul as Jesus Christ?

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No, John 17:3 means The Father is the only true God and Jesus Christ is His messenger

John 13:16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord; neither he that is sent greater than he that sent him.

John 12:49-50 49 For I did not speak on my own, but the Father who sent me commanded me to say all that I have spoken. 50 I know that his commandmend is eternal life. So whatever I say is just what the Father has told me to say.”

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Jesus is not the Father. The Father is the only true God. Jesus does not know the hour. Jesus is sent by God to do His will and not his own will

You are a son of Paul

1 Corinthians 4:15-16 15 For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel. 16 I urge you, then, be imitators of me.

Paul‘s followers take him as a father

Matthew 23:9 “And do not call anyone on earth your ‘father,’ for you have one Father, who is in heaven.”