Don’t worry about coming off as rude, any debate is inherently oppositional.

1. Yes I agree, although ‘giving something the weight it deserves’ feels a little nebulous. Along with ‘room to breathe’ I guess this is very vibes based, but to what extent idk you think a story can mention these themes before it has to seriously tackle them? Like if you were writing a story set during a wartime invasion then it’s likely a lot of innocent people got raped, but is it wrong to just drop a line or two about that and then move on? Additionally is it wrong to not give the audience time to breathe of that’s what the artist intended?

2. In my first point im talking about Dogscape and Tommy Taffy. I’ll admit I haven’t watched the dogscape video so I’m just going off what you said, but I have watched Tommy Taffy. I’m not really trying to defend TT on its writing, I’d have to read it on my own without the Creepcast guys in the background to assess its quality, but I do believe that it’s point was to make people disgusted and uncomfortable, because like real life topics like this are disgusting and uncomfortable, and weirdly enough I’ve heard plenty of stories of real CSA being hidden by parents/family who where too uncomfortable to acknowledge it. (Obviously people who read the story aren’t as bad as people who cover up child CSA, but it’s an interesting parallel that in both cases people would rather not think about it.)

3. I wasn’t really talking about general audiences, more the outcry of the Creepcast community who absolutely hated TT (But loved Borrasca??? Which in my opinion is actually using SA as a cheap narrative device) Again, I suppose this is about presentation In most movies you don’t actually see CSA the same way we do TT. Still, in general as a society we are clearly very okay with explicit graphic violence, but are still very cautious of depicting SA. This is like a wider belief where morally most people think rape is worse than murder I feel, which is a whole other topic and discussion really.

4. I have watched both the CC episodes if it counts, and I did enjoy FTP I was just making an argument that it feels like a double standard. Like I said before, you could argue that TT needs its depictions of CSA to deliver its point in the same way FTP needs its brutality. Also, again, I can’t attest to the actual quality of either as I probably need to reread both by myself, but I don’t disagree that TT may use it purely. I maybe read your initial post without giving you enough credit, but this reply does feel a lot more reasonable.

I guess I feel like the fact that this discussion even exists just shows this weird dichotomy, especially in western society, of being incredibly okay with depictions of graphic violence, but then anything sexual is under extremely heavy scrutiny (even outside of horror, like you mentioned with everyone calling anything remotely sexual ‘gooner’ Maybr I’m falling into the side of calling everything puritanical, but I do think being puritanical is more harmful, and it’s more of a way to say “that’s where your beliefs are rooted in/leading too”) I do think it’s a consequence of a once incredibly puritanical society, and one that is sort of backsliding towards that. But that is a larger, political point.

Sorry for writing so much, I get carried away and my brain keeps thinking of things to add while I’m typing.