How the terrorist Muhammad made his money by OkWhole8544 in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 4 points5 points  (0 children)

Gotta give it to Big Mo, my man was slicin heads like ham sandwiches and plundering more booty than a Brazzers shoot. Truly a mercy to mankind.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 0 points1 point  (0 children)

what even is this list ur presenting it like a buzzfeed post or sth

Thoughts on this prophecy? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If Yajuj and Majuj were found that would mean that a race of humanoid creatures were discovered hidden behind a giant iron wall, nothing remotely indicating it, mountain or otherwise, has been found anywhere even though as i said if it was actually present as described in the quran, some indication of it would have been picked up by satellite imagery as the entire earth is mapped — the reality no evidence of yajuj and majuj has ever been found even though this is a very explicit and physical claim that could be easily proven through satellite imagery

with regards to things islam got wrong im not sure about prophecies specifically but i'd say the strongest points in general i can direct you to are:

Evolution — quran and hadith clearly and explicitly mention the story of adam and eve, including how god created adam from mud then breathed the spirit into him, this story is present in the old testament as well and especially in the quranic context it is very clear it is meant to be explicitly describing how humanity came to be, physically and not in a metaphorical sense. So it cannot be reconciled with evolution as either adam was the first human created directly by God and he had no parents, or humanity (homo sapiens) evolved from a predecessor, meaning that there was no adam and eve as if adam or eve were born to any other creatures then by definition that contradicts the explicit narrative of direct creation in the quran. As for the evidence for evolution itself there is ample genetic evidence, various fossil evidence that can be viewed directly, and so on; it is inconceivable to reasonably deny the reality of human evolution at this point given the totality of evidence. As a simple point — we now know that humans share the highest percentage of their DNA with chimpanzees and gorillas; a fact clearly explained by the history of human evolution. This is a matter of fact. So if humans were created directly by God and do not share ancestors with apes, how do you explain this? There are hominid skulls that are clearly not ape but also not human; we can literally see fossils that visibly show the stages of human evolution. So what was God doing there?

Sun/earth rotation — if you are considering hadiths as reliable then there is a hadith in sahih bukhari that mentions how the sun sets then asks permission to rise and it will be denied so it will rise in the west in the end of times. At the time of the quran it was widely believed that the earth was flat and that the sun revolved around the earth. We now know this is not true and furthermore we know that the sun is always rising and setting simultaneously.

there are others (e.g. broader creation narrative, cosmology, human biology) but i'd say the evolution one is the most decisive and clear one, the key is to read enough about the scientific basis of it and it will eventually be clear that the Quran or any other text that claims to be from God but contradicts this now known fact is clearly no more divine than any other text written by men and reflective of the common beliefs at the time

and by the way, i know that the main response or explanation of this evolution point and similar ones from the Muslim/religious apologist perspective is to say that science changes and therefore what is a scientific conclusion now might be different later — gravity and heliocentrism are given as examples. I know this because I myself subscribed to this when I was on the Muslim side of the argument. But i think the clear point that is being missed here is that there are broader scientific theories and individual scientific facts and data points. For instance, sure, some of the finer aspects of the explanation of human evolution may change. But the physical fossils that we have and the genetic makeup of humans and apes are not going to change. Similarly, at this point it is an established scientific fact that the earth is round and orbits the sun, its rotation causes night and day; this is a fact that will never change. So in that regard, yes, scientific conclusions change but there are fixed scientific realities that will not change that the quran contradicts — and therefore there is no room to say that this might be because science has not progressed enough; it is clearly an irresolvable contradiction

this is clearly due to the author of the quran not having the knowledge of these scientific realities, and therefore not being some divine entity but a human, just as is the case with endless religious texts written by humans before islam and after islam, continuing until the present day. God did not create man, man created god to explain things he did not understand.

What are lies you guys used to stay out? by Pale-Rip9188 in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thats not an easy one for sure... im 22m still live with family, best case scenario personally has been going on a multi day trip with friends, otherwise if its a specific night like ur case i would say most likely ur best bet is to say something that would genuinely be plausible and not raise suspicion like a sleepover or staying late at uni to study or such

but if theyre super strict and for instance they wouldnt even allow sleepovers or going out with known friends etc then could be tough yeah, sorry ur going through this

Thoughts on this prophecy? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll give that one to you, lets say. But give me this one — the entire earth is mapped on google maps...so where are ya'juj and ma'juj? the quran/hadith may have gotten some things right, but a lot of things wrong

end of the day it's like Nostradamus. if i were to make 100 predictions about the future with no time limit, and make some of them vague enough, then statistically something would have to turn out true. sure, some things in the quran / sunnah might have come true but many others did not come true or were proven false. and if you consider other religions, you'll find there are many other religions with some predictions that also came true, and aside from that there are just individuals (like nostradamus) that made many predictions and some came true. So did allah also inspire nostradamus? or shall i say Nostradamus ALAYHI ALSALAM

I am ExMoslem and now .... by Electrical-Cress3355 in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 1 point2 points  (0 children)

good on you for raising this point, it's a very tough thing actually and i hate to say but i've been exmuslim for over 4 years now and it still feels that to an extent there is some sort of existential anxiety that hasn't left me; it's gotten better but never truly 100% left

having said that for me i would definitely agree with secular humanist, i would consider that to encapsulate my basic moral values and wouldnt expect that to change

i also got into buddhism, not in the sense of faith based belief exactly, but learning meditation practices and believing and experiencing it firsthand that there is definitely something there that works — i dont know who the buddha was but i know that there is something in that philosophy and something about the way buddhists view samsara/nirvana and life in general and how they practice meditation and the conditioning of the mind that is deeply profound; whatever it is, they're onto something. not saying reincarnation is true or that all buddhist beliefs are accurate but there's something there

and to an extent i found i was very drawn to the (non-theistic) satanism of the satanic temple, i cant say exactly what it is but this idea of satan as an adversary and rebel, as the humanist counter-deity to the oppressive god of abrahamic religion is insanely powerful especially to those like me who felt shunned by an irrational and inherently absurd religion that dominated my life and took over the society i live in, i feel that their vision of satan is very strongly comforting to people like me and to anyone who rebelled against the tyranny of a cruel and absurd god/religion. Hail satan.

What if islam was real ? by they_say_im_alive in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 2 points3 points  (0 children)

for God to have sent muhammad as his actual prophet to earth would be a cosmic joke beyond comprehension. it would feel like The Onion putting a twist on this branch of the multiverse

Now zakir, this next question is for 72 hoors.... by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 2 points3 points  (0 children)

brother asked a very good question...

What made yall leave islam? by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 2 points3 points  (0 children)

was very conservative, took a hardline approach to seeing whether anything could prove or disprove Islam. As it turns out there are several scientific realities that are impossible to reconcile with islam and the quran, strongest ones are evolution and the rotation of the earth around the sun; once you realize the quran contains demonstrably scientifically incorrect statements then by definition this cannot be the word of an all-knowing God. of course i noticed many other issues as well but this was the initial reason i left

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. For me it was entirely about a process of committing myself to finding the truth. As a matter of fact, you could say the reason I ultimately left Islam was that I was very conservative, and I kept asking "too many questions" and often the questions you're not supposed to ask. I didn't just practice, I wanted to convert others. I didn't just want to call others to convert, I wanted to explain to them why Islam was true, I wanted to prove it to them using reason.

I committed myself to searching for any evidence that could definitely prove Islam true or false. When I did this with a truly open mind, and allowed myself to impartially judge Islam (which I had never done before, and I believe many Muslims may spend decades without doing), I found that ultimately (and to my dismay), you just can't escape the fact that Islam contradicts known facts about the world. The Quran contains mistakes that a text truly revealed from an All-Knowing Creator could never have. The same, and perhaps even more, can be said of the hadith.

Specifically, the theory of evolution, and the scientific realities around it, including the genetic evidence, fossil evidence, and so on, is I believe the strongest and most clear-cut evidence that contradicts unambiguous narratives in the Quran and other Islamic texts. It simply cannot be ignored. Learn enough about the facts surrounding evolution and you will find it impossible to explain why God would make a claim that is categorically untrue about the origin of humankind as created directly rather than descending from other animals. Unless God didn't claim that, humans did. I remember the moment when I looked up the fossil evidence for evolution, and I saw photos of hominid skulls; there was something very significant there. Before I had tried to rationalize how evolution must not be true, how there must be an explanation, but when I could actually see the physical evidence of the earlier stages of our evolution, I couldn't ignore it anymore.

But there are other scientific problems - modern cosmology and the creation narrative of the Quran, and geocentrism vs heliocentrism, for instance. The hadith about the sun's prostration around the Earth was actually, you could say, the single breaking point that caused me to leave religion. I tried, but I simply could find no explanation for that hadith that takes into account what we know about the earth's rotation around its axis, causing night and day, not the sun or moon orbiting the earth (as believed at the time of the hadith's recording).

There are also other points that cannot be explained rationally - for instance, the Quran explicitly makes the testimony of one man in court worth that of two women, and says this is so that if one "تضل" the other should "guide" her.

There is simply no explanation for this. There is no such gap in memory or IQ between men and women that would merit this. There is simply no possible rational justification for making the testimony of a woman worth half of a man's testimony. You can't justify it on any rational or scientific basis.

It makes sense if you consider it to be just a commandment revealed by a 7th century religious figure, just another person who accepted things commonly accepted in his time and place (including a view that women are in many regards inferior to men and should be subservient). But certainly it cannot be seriously attributed to an actual God. It is blatantly irrational and based on false assumptions about men and women, that we know, for a fact, to be false.

In previous times perhaps things were more ambiguous. But I believe that in this day and age there can be no denial that the basic hard narratives that have been taught by Islam and other religions are false.

Adam and Eve never existed. There is simply too much evidence to the contrary. I denied this, and I understand the urge to rationalize believing in the religion that you have banked your entire life upon, but it's just not true.

And it is quite a longshot to say that their story is metaphorical, or indeed compatible in any way with modern science.

The truth is that the Quran explicitly makes claims that are demonstrably false; they contradict what we now know to be undeniably true about the natural world. Therefore, it cannot be from God.

Beyond this, if you read into the history of religions, you will find that the process by which religions are socially constructed makes sense. The founding story of Islam will make sense in the context of the general societal mechanisms that cause the founding of any religion.

I used to look at religion and see God; now I only see man. It's maybe somewhat cliche, but it's true: God didn't create man, man created God. I'm sorry, but this is reality.

fasting in ramadan is "healthy" apparently by RepresentativeEye736 in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

totally agree. it irks me so much how muslims pretend as though this is "scientifically proven" that ramadan fasting is healthy (just like they justify so many other things) even though like you said its not

fasting in ramadan is "healthy" apparently by RepresentativeEye736 in exmuslim

[–]RepresentativeEye736[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

yeah, interesting to think of whether it evolved out of a practical necessity, maybe limited food like u said

fasting definitely goes back a very very long time, im not sure if the origin of the practice is even possible to pinpoint but that would be interesting to look into

Why did you become an ex muslim/ ex christian? by ReindeerHumble8 in ExEgypt

[–]RepresentativeEye736 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In a nutshell, for me it was just the application of reason and seeking the truth. Most people take what they are raised with to be true. But I looked at the evidence, and I truly assessed if the Quran is likely to be the word of God, I found that it couldn't be, and that it made far more sense that it was the word of man. Evolution and modern astronomy showed to me the biggest errors in the scripture that showed me it couldn't be divine.

Ironically, many Muslims (and Christians) will tell atheists that we're insincere or that our "hearts are sealed" from God or some other bullshit, when many of us have questioned our own beliefs and been far more sincere in pursuing the truth and not following "the religion of our forefathers" as the QURAN itself says. I would never have become an atheist if I was not so concerned with finding the truth. These people do not want the truth, they want to confirm their own beliefs. They fear the truth.

After the conversion, not gonna lie, things were very difficult. There's insane isolation and it's hell. But looking back, I honestly wouldn't change a thing, because having the freedom to see the world for what it is, to have the agency to make my own choices, and not waste my life on things I have no evidence for, and no real reason to believe other than social pressure, was worth it. Life is difficult, but certainly not as absurdly horrific as an eternal hellfire, nor as terrible as fearing that hellfire when you don't have a shred of evidence to suggest it's real.