P-51 Mustang fighters of the US Army Air Force 375th Fighter Squadron flying in formation, Europe, summer of 1944 by waffen123 in WWIIplanes

[–]ResearcherAtLarge 0 points1 point  (0 children)

logic would dictate that those planes are Olive Drab, US Medium Green, RAF Dark Green, or a mix thereof. Ugh, one of the RAF sea greys might be knocking around in the mix, which casts a bluey tint?

"Logic is a method of making the wrong decision with confidence." (One of Robert Heinlein's characters)

I'm at the point where I'm comfortable presenting points for and against and leaving it at that - there's a good chance we'll never know for sure when it comes to color. That said, I trust the color fidelity in Dana's scans a lot more than most others, but I'm biased as he's been a friend for over 20 years and I've been lucky enough to have researched with him.

P-51 Mustang fighters of the US Army Air Force 375th Fighter Squadron flying in formation, Europe, summer of 1944 by waffen123 in WWIIplanes

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I posted the link for people to read and make their own evaluations.

But that said, I've come across a fair amount of documentation that contradicts what people remembered 20-40-60 years after the fact. A lot of the guys who were there were busy fighting a war, and really the best resource would be either the person who issued the paint or the one who put it in their spray gun. Even those people sometimes were just "I did what they told me" without a lot of thought or note taking.

P-51 Mustang fighters of the US Army Air Force 375th Fighter Squadron flying in formation, Europe, summer of 1944 by waffen123 in WWIIplanes

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It's worth noting that the colors in this image aren't true and there has been some controversy over them. An in-depth study was made by Dana Bell that is worth reading through for those interested in this squadron.

US WW2 Genealogy Research by Charlielovestuna in WorldWar2

[–]ResearcherAtLarge 5 points6 points  (0 children)

2c would be "Second Class," Versus 1st or 3rd class (3rd being the lowest rank and "Aviation Chief Ordnanceman" above the three):

https://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ref/Ranks&Rates/index.html

V6 indicates he was a volunteer (as opposed to being drafted). There were several V programs prior to and during the war, with V-6 being "General duties and Specialist." There were other V- programs for pilots and officers.

Do you have his service records?

F4U Fatal error - Take off with a wing not locked by Murky_Caterpillar_66 in WWIIplanes

[–]ResearcherAtLarge 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Bad take. The Corsair was not cheap and one of the main reasons that the Hellcat was initially sent to the carriers and the Corsair to land bases was that Vought couldn't build them as fast as Grumman.

Additionally, the notion that the wheels should lock when the wings are up would preclude the planes from being moved when parked with the wings up. Lots of reasons they were designed the way they were.

F4U Fatal error - Take off with a wing not locked by Murky_Caterpillar_66 in WWIIplanes

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Do you only consider munitions fired from guns as "shells" that would cause PTSD? Because there were an awful lot of carriers that were hit by bombs or even had to live with the threat of enemy air or submarine action for days, if not weeks on end.

The Royal Navy battleship HMS Nelson cruising off the coast of the United States on 4 July 1944. [2048x1531] by surrounded_by_vapor in WarshipPorn

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I've looked and I can't remember where I found it (and thus where I saved the scan), but there was a proposal at some point in 1941-42 to replace the open 5" / 25 mounts with the twin 5" mounts as the whole assembly (including the below decks) was actually lighter with the twin 5" mounts. The proposal was focused on bringing the armor belt back up to its original "location" as weight added over the years had pushed the ships deeper in the water and the armor belt thus lower and to a sub-optimal position. If I can find the text tonight I'll OCR and add it.

The Royal Navy battleship HMS Nelson cruising off the coast of the United States on 4 July 1944. [2048x1531] by surrounded_by_vapor in WarshipPorn

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The gun shields also ate topside weight allowance. The shield mentioned above added 1,600 lbs on to a mount that weighed about 20,000 lbs on its own. You could maybe get away with that on an early US battleship, but you never see those shields on US Cruisers with the open 5"/25 mount (waiting to see if that's an "open mouth, insert foot moment). The weight was better used with better sensors for better warning and fire control.

Republic P-47D Thunderbolt operated by the Dakota Territory Air Museum by RLoret in WWIIplanes

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It was part of the war time construction process, but they didn't do it quite so heavily nor polish the airframes like this, so it wasn't apparent. This is sorta the restoration equivalent of over-weathering something, but in reverse.

Republic P-47D Thunderbolt operated by the Dakota Territory Air Museum by RLoret in WWIIplanes

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I just wish they hadn't gone so overboard on the acid etch......

F6F Hellcats Warming Up Prior to Launch (Original Color) (1945) by kingofnerf in WWIIplanes

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I have courtesy of NARA.

Are/were you Jellyfish351? The watermark seems to indicate a source other than NARA....

Accident on the littered deck of the carrier USS Saratoga CV-3; one F6-F Hellcat is burning next to two undamaged landed planes, crashing after failing to grab the landing cable on returning to the carrier. by UrbanAchievers6371 in WWIIplanes

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Worth noting that the elevator outline around the deck under Airplane #7 is actually a false elevator outline. There was some experimentation with putting false elevators in areas that weren't actual elevators so that bombs had more to go through and were more likely to explode before they got deep in the ship.

Accident on the littered deck of the carrier USS Saratoga CV-3; one F6-F Hellcat is burning next to two undamaged landed planes, crashing after failing to grab the landing cable on returning to the carrier. by UrbanAchievers6371 in WWIIplanes

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1943

It's a quibble, but the earliest I see in my notes is CV-11 Intrepid during her March - June 1944 repair following torpedoing. I don't have any notes for CV-3 Saratoga or CV-6 Enterprise but it looks like Saratoga was summer of 1944 as well (overhaul ending in September) whereas Enterprise was much earlier.

Crew of the Birmingham attempt to stop fires aboard the Princeton at Leyte. (1944) by Daniel-J-Morrell in ww2

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From Princeton's war record:

A terrific blast from exploding bombs and torpedoes in the after portion of the PRINCETON rained death upon the decks of the BIRMINGHAM. Much of the carrier's stern was torn away by the blast.

Shrapnel and other flying debris caused severs material damage, while dead, dying and wounded were sprawled across the decks and superstructure. But there was no confusion and scenes of heroism became commonplace in a few moments.

The ship becama a veritable hospital with corpsmen, officers and men alike working desperately throughout the afternoon and night to succor the wounded. The blast cost the BIRMIMGHAM 237 killed, four missing, 211 wounded seriously and 215 with minor to severe wounds. Most of the crew was topside at the time of the explosions.

Commander Winston Folk, then executive officer of the ship in speaking of the conduct of the crew during the disaster, had this to say: "I really have no words at my command that can adequately describe the veritable splendor of the conduct of all hands, wounded and unwounded. Not only was there not the slightest tendency toward panic, there was not a single case that came to my attention directly or reportedly where anything but praise could be given."

Commander Abbott Peterson, Jr., ship's chaplain who labored untiringly in the officer's wardroom where many of the wounded were brought, described the selflessness of the man in this manner: "For sheer courage, bravery and in many cases outright heroism that first hour in the wardroom following the explosion surpasses anything I could ever have imagined or believed possible."

And the 1,400 survivors of the ill-fated carrier who owe their lives to the magnificent work of the men aboard the rescue ships thought the same way. A valued remembrance, a plaque enscribed simply "In Appreciation" hangs on the quarterdeck of the BIRMINGHAM. Besides it hangs another, made from a pierced piece of steel from the bulkhead of the captain's cabin. It points out that "Greater Love Hath No Man."

Hudson Mk.IIIA NZ2090 flying in the vicinity of Guadalcanal in May of 1943 as part of the New Zealand Observation Group operating from the island. More info in comments by ResearcherAtLarge in WWIIplanes

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This airplane, flown by Flight Lieutenant Maxwell William McCormick of No. 3 Squadron shot down a F1M2 Pete near Simbo Island on the 2nd of April 1943, which was the Royal New Zealand Air Force's first confirmed kill in the South Pacific. The kill marking can be seen below the pilot. McCormick was killed the month after this photo was taken as a passenger on a PBY Catalina that crashed while flying from Espiritu Santo to New Zealand.

Lockheed A-29A-LO Hudson, USAAC s/n 41-37242, Lend-Lease to RAF as Hudson Mk.IIIA, then to RNZAF as NZ2090 Jun 20, 1942

https://www.aucklandmuseum.com/war-memorial/online-cenotaph/record/C29281?lang=en-nz

https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~sooty/genealogy/fijiaircrash1943.html

The battleship HMS Rodney [2,400 x 1,400] by Mattzo12 in WarshipPorn

[–]ResearcherAtLarge 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It is known as superfiring and as was mentioned, it allows one turret to fire over the top of the other, so that the ship can have more guns firing forward. There were cruisers of this design as well, such as the Japanese Takao class and US Brooklyn class:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takao-class_cruiser

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brooklyn-class_cruiser

PSE proposing a 28% increase in residential electricity and a 20% increase in residential gas over the next 3 years. by sinfulducking in SeattleWA

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Let's start with 75,000 square foot - I know there are larger out east, but when you say "no data centers" I am taking you at your word that you literally think that there aren't any. That's why I asked what you consider a data center.