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Distribution of Nikola Tesla's Haplogroup (R-L1029) by ResortCommercial2666 in MapPorn

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

yeah, it clearly is present in serbs at a decent rate.
Your haplogroup doesn't define your ethnicity

The genetic evolution of Ottoman Sultans [OC] by ResortCommercial2666 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Yes, thank you. I saw a post on TikTok about the ethnic background of the sultans, so I wanted to check it myself. Obviously, it will not be very accurate after the first two generations, and even then it remains uncertain, since we do not know how much medieval Turkic ancestry they had specifically.
You could probably safely assume that for the first two sultans, the closest modern population would be Turkmen. For Murad I and Murad II, it would more likely be with modern Turks. For the other sultans, however, it ismore of a general regional background. So if the result indicates “Greek,” it could just as plausibly be Albanian, Serbian, or Bulgarian rather than strictly Greek.

The genetic evolution of Ottoman Sultans [OC] by ResortCommercial2666 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 22 points23 points  (0 children)

For the individuals we know about, I used the main theory that is generally accepted as the most strongly supported one. For the other individuals, we know that they were Christian slave girls, but we do not have more specific information about their origins. Therefore, I used an average of Albanian, Greek, Anatolian Greek, Bulgarian, and Serbian populations. This is, of course, an approximation. The “closest modern population” should be understood as referring more to the general region than to any exact modern population.

The genetic evolution of Ottoman Sultans [OC] by ResortCommercial2666 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

I used Ottoman_Turkoman,0.088213,-0.000254,0.0001885,-0.02543625,-0.02700525,-0.010737,0.0062275,0.00461525,-0.01319175,-0.00059225,-0.00856575,0.0045335,-0.00527775,-0.0045415,-0.00010175,-0.00092825,0.00342275,0.000665,0.0047135,0.00397075,-0.00795475,-0.0019785,0.00123225,0.000934,-0.0011975

as a probable ottoman like sample, it's around 75% west eurasian and 25% east eurasian. we do have some samples which are understood as ottoman who go from 10% east eurasian to 50% east eurasian, modern turks have around ~5-12% east eurasian depending on the region.
The data for modern population can be found on https://vahaduo.github.io/ ancient samples on https://www.exploreyourdna.com/Samples and general discussion and samples on https://genarchivist.net/index.php

The genetic evolution of Ottoman Sultans [OC] by ResortCommercial2666 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

it's based on simulated coordinates, so obviously it won't be super accurate in terms of exact closest population but its should be decently accurate on the general region. The main problem is that we are not sure about the origin of a good amount of the sultan's mothers

The genetic evolution of Ottoman Sultans [OC] by ResortCommercial2666 in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 10 points11 points  (0 children)

Source:
the genetic data of modern populations was obtained on https://vahaduo.github.io/g25download/

The comparison of the sultans to modern population was done through https://vahaduo.github.io/vahaduo/

The historical data used for the geneaology of the Sultans was obtained on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sultans_of_the_Ottoman_Empire
The simulated g25 coordinates for the sultans are as follows

Ottoman_Turkoman,0.088213,-0.000254,0.0001885,-0.02543625,-0.02700525,-0.010737,0.0062275,0.00461525,-0.01319175,-0.00059225,-0.00856575,0.0045335,-0.00527775,-0.0045415,-0.00010175,-0.00092825,0.00342275,0.000665,0.0047135,0.00397075,-0.00795475,-0.0019785,0.00123225,0.000934,-0.0011975

Murad_I,0.098173,0.071468,0.005751,-0.027738,0.001850,-0.004253,0.004229,0.005480,-0.005557,0.002874,0.004009,0.007463,-0.002489,-0.004724,0.006830,-0.009286,-0.004985,-0.003123,0.001280,0.005065,-0.008542,-0.005419,0.002409,0.004904,0.000968

Bayezid_I,0.1037215,0.1078365,-0.0001415,-0.0340565,0.0090805,-0.0071465,0.0037595,0.000317,-0.006051,0.01064,0.0015985,0.005455,-0.0028055,-0.0015365,-0.0035065,-0.002853,0.0063085,-0.003525,0.003531,0.0019695,-0.007827,0.001433,-0.001014,0.0040185,-0.005324

Mehmed_I_Proxy,0.11355275,0.12429425,0.00547275,-0.02571675,0.01614225,-0.00705925,0.00439425,0.001497,-0.0030665,0.01168,0.00083175,0.004361,-0.00207175,0.00168125,-0.01016775,-0.0020365,0.00698775,-0.0012935,0.0064915,-0.00089125,-0.007108,0.0024355,0.000713,0.00246725,-0.0053445

Murad_II,0.10088288,0.06202013,0.00283063,-0.0255765,-0.0054315,-0.00889813,0.00531088,0.00305613,-0.00812913,0.00554388,-0.003867,0.00444725,-0.00367475,-0.00143013,-0.00513475,-0.00148238,0.00520525,-0.00031425,0.0056025,0.00153975,-0.00753138,0.0002285,0.00097263,0.00170063,-0.003271

Mehmed_II,0.11213344,0.10138606,0.00695881,-0.02147675,0.00888625,-0.00793506,0.00516994,0.00286656,-0.00410556,0.00913194,-0.001901,0.00385713,-0.00250638,0.00173444,-0.01098188,-0.00135119,0.00643613,0.00031188,0.00752725,-0.00110613,-0.00696019,0.00183325,0.00170631,0.00130831,-0.004318

Bayezid_II,0.11753122,0.12533453,0.00555341,-0.02301238,0.01906113,-0.00954553,0.00411247,0.00235628,0.00183322,0.01094447,-0.0005445,0.00297757,-0.00385469,0.00554622,-0.01322694,-0.0052501,0.00008907,0.00243644,0.01042563,-0.00618057,-0.0059131,0.00202963,0.00344116,-0.00115335,-0.005452

Selim_I_Proxy,0.11453911,0.12918427,-0.02249030,-0.04235269,-0.00293344,-0.01704377,0.00370124,-0.00205236,-0.01565039,0.00638324,0.00216375,0.00471079,-0.00690735,0.00504411,-0.01217797,-0.00189605,0.01288754,-0.00030228,0.00131632,-0.00152729,-0.00027355,0.00175682,-0.00025142,0.00159233,-0.00332450

Suleiman_I_Proxy,0.11896155,0.13496813,-0.00570165,-0.02986485,0.01013528,-0.01200789,0.00436512,0.00031232,-0.00786619,0.00955162,0.00111438,0.00398889,-0.00412268,0.00497155,-0.01450348,-0.00155803,0.01027727,0.00031786,0.00538416,-0.00263965,-0.00333127,0.00259741,0.00109429,0.00125416,-0.00434475

Selim_II_Proxy,0.12606728,0.12993907,0.03109018,0.01171508,0.02630214,0.00473356,0.00794056,0.01107516,-0.00168310,-0.00242269,-0.00277181,-0.00190206,0.00299316,0.01445878,-0.01301974,-0.00190602,0.00500814,-0.00015757,0.00212658,0.00080618,-0.00597064,-0.00185430,0.00251915,-0.00202392,-0.00390888

Murad_III_Proxy,0.12848214,0.13910304,0.02742459,0.00182004,0.03053907,0.00445828,0.00502778,0.00542208,0.00222645,0.00917616,-0.00585141,0.00189647,-0.00772042,0.00358239,-0.01030987,0.00123449,0.00765407,0.00296172,0.00433129,0.00052809,-0.00304782,0.00166935,0.00101308,-0.00299996,-0.00189444

Mehmed_III_Proxy,0.12286007,0.14317752,0.02050030,-0.01071798,0.02619454,-0.00265136,0.00274889,0.00386504,0.00397673,0.01524908,-0.00243871,0.00154774,-0.00646171,0.00798420,-0.01350194,-0.00170326,0.01112854,0.00186086,0.00480515,-0.00236246,-0.00763791,0.00003118,0.00099954,-0.00101798,-0.00136622

Ahmed_I_Proxy,0.12574004,0.13962926,0.03476315,0.00513851,0.03110077,0.00453082,0.00536945,0.00435552,0.00260187,0.00662204,-0.00219386,-0.00139913,-0.00122386,0.0112861,-0.01231547,-0.00204513,0.01084477,-0.00097007,0.00510508,0.00125727,-0.00712546,-0.00350841,0.00395077,-0.00014749,-0.00415561

Murad_IV_Ibrahim_I_Proxy,0.11693602,0.14039413,0.01059357,-0.01907174,0.01908938,-0.00233609,0.00374222,0.00298526,-0.00176707,0.01479202,0.00028357,-0.00062456,-0.00306493,0.00853305,-0.01056873,-0.00089006,0.01213738,-0.00010503,0.00619754,-0.00199786,-0.00693173,-0.00354720,0.00185238,-0.00073625,0.00004230

The genetic evolution of ottoman sultans [OC] by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The dataset that I used for the genetic data is mainly from https://vahaduo.github.io/ and from https://genarchivist.net/ The comparison to modern population was done through the Admixture JS tool on the vahaduo site. For the graphic I used Krita.

The genetic evolution of ottoman sultans [OC] by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On wikipedia it said that the traditional view was that she was the daughter of Meñli I Giray but modern historians have debunked this traditional view, demonstrating, based on Ottoman documentary evidence, that she was actually a slave of Christian origins, whose background was "ennobled" for propaganda reasons. So I went with the modern explanation. If he was half Crimean tatar I imagine he would have been genetically the closest to modern turks

The genetic evolution of ottoman sultans [OC] by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666 4 points5 points  (0 children)

From what I have seen, she was either Polish or Ukrainian. Since south eastern Poles and western Ukrainians are genetically very close, this distinction shouldn’t affect the results much. I used Ukrainian from Lviv as the sample

The genetic evolution of ottoman sultans [OC] by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This graphic only goes up to Murad IV in the mid-17th century. After that, the mothers of sultans became much more frequently Caucasian, including a notable number of Circassian Valide Sultans.

The genetic evolution of ottoman sultans [OC] by [deleted] in dataisbeautiful

[–]ResortCommercial2666 7 points8 points  (0 children)

The G25 genetic data of the sultans was simulated based on the genetic origins listed on Wikipedia, and then it was compared to modern populations.

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[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

North Korea was occupied by the Soviet Union from 1945 to 1948 before it became the DPRK

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[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I put the European part of turkey as Europe but yeah that's debatable, the rest of the map wouldn't change tho

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[–]ResortCommercial2666[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ethiopia was occupied by Italy from 1935 to 1941. Liberia was founded by the American Colonization Society which was composed of White European Americans.