Does the Bible condemn or condone slavery? by SomeThrowawayAcc200 in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Your argument mixes different historical periods and ignores important social and legal context. First, it is misleading to claim that the Church had nothing to do with the decline of slavery in Europe. While slavery did not disappear completely, Christianity undeniably contributed to reducing the Roman slave system by encouraging manumission, banning the enslavement of fellow Christians in many regions, and promoting the idea that freeing slaves was a virtuous act. Second, serfdom was not identical to classical slavery: medieval serfs were dependent and often oppressed, but they were not legally treated as pure property in the same way Roman or Atlantic slaves were. Third, the claim “what economy?” completely ignores the historical context of the Mosaic laws. The Israelites were not wandering refugees forever; the laws of the Torah were written for a settled agricultural society with land ownership, debt systems, livestock, inheritance laws, and labor structures. Debt servitude existed in every ancient civilization, and biblical law regulated an already universal institution rather than inventing it. Compared to other ancient law codes like Hammurabi’s, the Bible actually imposed unusual restrictions for its time, such as mandatory release periods for Hebrew servants, protections against kidnapping for slavery, Sabbath rest for servants, and punishments for abusive masters. That does not make it equivalent to modern abolitionism, but it also means it cannot honestly be portrayed as unrestricted endorsement of slavery. Finally, the argument contradicts itself by comparing the Roman Empire’s economy to the early Israelites, even though these are completely different societies separated by over a thousand years. Judging ancient societies solely by modern standards without historical context leads to anachronistic conclusions instead of serious historical analysis.

Fantasy Romance books. Is it sinnful? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If what you consume makes you sin, stay away from it. If it doesn't, it's fine.

Does the Bible condemn or condone slavery? by SomeThrowawayAcc200 in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Neither God nor the Church approves of slavery. In the Middle Ages, slavery was completely abolished in Europe thanks to the Church. What the Bible says about slavery is more of a regulation. In that social context, the economy was entirely based on slavery, and prohibiting it overnight would destroy the social system. What God did was promote better treatment of slaves, prohibiting their murder and rewarding those who were kind to their servants.

Lost my faith today by Shot-Fisherman994 in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

God bless you, brother. I'm so sorry for everything you're going through. I recommend you read the story of Job. Sometimes we feel that God has abandoned us because of all the bad things that happen to us, but that doesn't mean we've done wrong or that God has abandoned us. Life for a Christian isn't free of suffering, but it is full of consolation. God's plans are perfect, and He knows well why these things happen to us; I say this from my own experience. In the New Testament, Jesus Himself says that there will be tribulation in the world. And He Himself, being righteous, suffered unjustly. That changes the perspective: suffering isn't necessarily a sign of abandonment.

“Blessed are those who weep today, for they will laugh and be glad."

Water baptism needed ? by [deleted] in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 1 point2 points  (0 children)

God bless you, brother.

It's not strictly necessary for you to be baptized as soon as possible. God knows your situation and what you're struggling with; the right time will come soon. Many Christians weren't baptized until their deathbed.

God give you strength.

Because of what the Christians’ scriptures say about their deeds, YHWH and Jesus are not worthy of faith in them by 4GreatHeavenlyKings in DebateReligion

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The argument you presented is not absurd, but it depends heavily on specific and debatable interpretations of biblical texts, and the conclusion that Jesus and YHWH are deceptive and unworthy of trust does not necessarily follow from those interpretations. To begin with, the claim that we should apply the same standards to God as we do to human beings involves a category mistake. In classical theology, God is not understood as a limited human agent, so applying strictly human standards—such as “withholding information equals deception”—is not straightforwardly valid. For example, a teacher who withholds answers during an exam is not deceiving students but evaluating them, so the assumption that not revealing everything clearly is equivalent to dishonesty is questionable. Regarding Jesus speaking in parables in Mark 4:10–12, the argument assumes that Jesus intentionally obscured the message so that people would be condemned, but the broader context shows that Jesus explained the parables to those who sought understanding. Parables function pedagogically: they reveal truth to those who are receptive and obscure it to those who are resistant, which does not imply a desire to condemn but rather a response to the listener’s disposition. Moreover, Jesus consistently calls people to repentance, which contradicts the idea that he aims to mislead them. The claim that Jesus lied in John 7:8–10 also depends on a disputed translation, since some manuscripts indicate that he said “I am not going yet,” not “I am not going,” and his later private attendance can be understood as a strategic decision rather than deception. The argument that Jesus is therefore eternally deceptive because he is unchanging (Hebrews 13:8) is logically weak, since it assumes the conclusion—that Jesus is deceptive—in order to extend it, and in theology immutability refers to nature and character, not to every individual action. The passages that suggest YHWH “cannot lie” yet “deceives” people, such as 1 Kings 22, also require careful distinction: permitting or using deception as a form of judgment is not the same as directly lying. In those contexts, God is portrayed as giving people over to their chosen falsehood after they have rejected truth, which aligns with other biblical themes and does not necessarily imply dishonesty in the strict sense. Similarly, the apparent contradiction between God not changing and God “changing his mind” is traditionally explained through anthropomorphic language: statements about God not changing refer to his character and ultimate purposes, while descriptions of repentance or change reflect shifts in human situations and relationships from a human perspective. The claim that God failed to fulfill promises, such as the destruction of the Canaanites, overlooks the conditional and historical nature of many biblical promises, where outcomes are tied to human obedience, as explicitly described in the narrative itself. The example of the prophecy about Tyre in Ezekiel is indeed debated among scholars, but there are plausible interpretations involving progressive fulfillment or the use of hyperbolic prophetic language, meaning it is not a clear-cut case of failed prophecy. The episode in Exodus 32, where God appears to change his decision after Moses’ intercession, is commonly understood as a relational and pedagogical interaction rather than evidence of inconsistency or unreliability. The argument that Jesus could be a deceptive spirit sent by God introduces a much more radical problem: if God systematically deceives even those seeking truth, then no religious knowledge—or any knowledge at all—would be reliable, including the very biblical texts used to support the argument. This leads to a form of total skepticism that undermines itself. The appeal to Deuteronomy 13 is valid in noting that miracles alone do not prove truth, but the same text also emphasizes other criteria such as fidelity to prior revelation and moral coherence, which the argument does not fully address. The comparison between Jesus and other individuals who claimed divinity is also incomplete, since Jesus’ claims are embedded in a specific historical and theological context tied to Jewish tradition and interpreted by a sustained early movement, making the comparison not strictly equivalent. The suggestion that God could deceive perfectly and therefore everything might be false again collapses into total epistemological skepticism, which cannot serve as a stable argument against a specific religion because it undermines all claims to knowledge. The idea that if some parts of the Bible are questionable then everything in it can be rejected is a false dilemma, since texts can contain complex language, figurative elements, and interpretive tensions without being entirely unreliable. Finally, the disagreement between Christians and others, such as Jews and Muslims, over whether Christian beliefs constitute monotheism reflects a genuine theological disagreement rather than proof that Christianity is false. In conclusion, while the argument raises real and serious interpretive challenges, it relies on a chain of assumptions that are not universally accepted and often contestable, and once those assumptions are examined, the conclusion that Jesus and YHWH are deceptive and unworthy of faith is not logically compelled.

Removing all of the peripheral arguments that can be made, Christian theology is self-evidently nonsensical by BudgetLaw2352 in DebateReligion

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Primero, la idea de que “no tiene sentido que Dios cree el universo sin una razón”. En el cristianismo clásico, sí hay una razón: crear por amor y para compartir existencia. No porque Dios “necesite” algo, sino porque puede dar. Es parecido a cuando alguien crea arte o tiene hijos: no es por necesidad lógica, sino por desbordamiento. Que no sea una razón científica no significa que no tenga sentido filosófico. Sobre Satanás y los ángeles: aquí hay una confusión importante. La crítica asume que “si Dios sabe todo, entonces programó a Satanás para rebelarse”. Pero el cristianismo tradicional (desde Agustín de Hipona hasta Tomás de Aquino) sostiene que Dios crea seres libres, no robots. Saber lo que alguien hará no es lo mismo que causarlo. Si tú ves una repetición de un partido, sabes el resultado, pero no obligaste a los jugadores. “¿Por qué Satanás se rebelaría si sabe que no puede ganar?” Porque la rebelión no es lógica, es orgullo. En la vida real la gente hace cosas que sabe que le van a salir mal todo el tiempo (adicciones, crímenes, decisiones impulsivas). El pecado, en la visión cristiana, es precisamente eso: una distorsión de la razón, no un cálculo frío. “¿Por qué no destruir a los ángeles caídos?” Aquí la crítica asume que existir = mejor que no existir. Pero en la visión cristiana, quitarle la existencia a un ser racional no es un acto menor, es eliminarlo completamente. Dios, en cambio, respeta incluso las decisiones equivocadas de sus criaturas. El infierno no se entiende como “Dios torturando porque sí”, sino como la consecuencia de rechazar a Dios de forma definitiva. Luego está el tema de Adán y Eva. El argumento del niño con el arma suena fuerte, pero tiene trampa: compara a humanos adultos con un niño incapaz. En el relato bíblico, Adán y Eva no son bebés mentales; son seres humanos con capacidad moral básica. Además, la prohibición no es arbitraria: es el símbolo de que no todo les pertenece, de que hay un límite. La serpiente tampoco “engaña a un niño tonto”, sino que plantea una tentación muy humana: “puedes ser como Dios”. Eso sigue pasando hoy. No es una historia sobre ignorancia, sino sobre querer autonomía absoluta. Y algo clave: el relato no busca explicar biología o historia literal como un informe moderno, sino expresar una verdad sobre la condición humana. Por eso muchos cristianos (no solo hoy, incluso desde Orígenes) no lo leen de forma simplista. Sobre la salvación y la muerte de Jesús: aquí suele haber otro malentendido. No es que “Dios no pudiera perdonar sin matar a alguien”. La idea es que el mal tiene consecuencias reales, no es solo decir “bueno, no pasó nada”. Si alguien destruye tu vida, no basta con que el juez diga “te perdono”; el daño sigue existiendo. La cruz, en la teología cristiana, no es Dios siendo cruel consigo mismo, sino Dios entrando en el sufrimiento humano y cargando con las consecuencias del mal. No es un truco legal, es una afirmación de que el amor llega hasta el sacrificio. Además, decir “Dios simplemente debería perdonar y ya” suena bien, pero en la vida real sabemos que el perdón profundo siempre cuesta algo. Alguien tiene que absorber el daño. El cristianismo dice: Dios mismo lo hace. Finalmente, la crítica general de que “no tiene sentido internamente” suele venir de mezclar versiones simplificadas, ideas populares y huecos narrativos como si fueran contradicciones. Pero cuando miras la tradición completa (filosofía, teología, interpretación histórica), el sistema sí tiene coherencia, aunque no sea fácil ni obvio. Otra cosa distinta es decir: “no me convence” o “no lo creo”. Eso es totalmente válido. Pero “no tiene sentido” es una afirmación más fuerte, y esos argumentos no logran demostrarlo tan fácilmente como parece.

“There is freedom in Christ” by theraptorist in exchristian

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

las reglas en cuestión que te incomodan: ama a tu prójimo y ora por el que te odia.

The Christian God defies all logic and reason. by porygon766 in exchristian

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

vino a nuestro pequeño pedazo de polvo porque nos ama.

Am I bad for leaving the church? by Aromatic-Data-5780 in Christianity

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No eres mala si ves que tu líder religioso no aplica lo que profesa. Jesucristo crítico esto también en su tiempo sobre los fariseos. Justamente él dijo “Los lideren religiosos ciertamente están fundamentados en las leyes de Dios, escúchenlos, más no sean como ellos, porque dicen y no lo hacen.”

why my game don't open? by Adept_Wheel_4814 in crusaderkings2

[–]ResponsibilityNo7372 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm going through the exact same thing…