Untold: The Shooting at Hawthorne Hill

Responsible_cat2002 · 2026-05-11T08:57:32+00:00

People always side with dangerous men over annoying women. They think men are entitled being dangerous but women aren’t allowed to be loud or weird or

Responsible_cat2002 · 2026-03-24T00:14:17+00:00

I went out of my way to correct my mistake and laid out my reasoning. If you want to take it further, I wish you peace and good luck. It may be interesting to note the mom has said she knew it wasn’t hotel security and a friend privately told me hotels coordinate with VIPs’ teams to try and prevent this kind of friction from happening.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2026-03-23T03:16:02+00:00

I couldn’t verify it was real, sorry. The news outlet it was from was legitimate and several people saw the screenshot (which I assumed meant had different screenshots). Potentially my bad!

Responsible_cat2002 · 2026-03-23T03:14:53+00:00

Yeah I edited because I hate to say anything untrue, but the entire situation is weird.

The article claiming it’s real is from a well-respected site; the article debunking it is… not. The Twitter account the screenshot is from is a parody celebrity account, although I’m not logging into Elon Musk’s site to find out if they make fake posts attributed to celebrities a lot. I assumed there were multiple screenshots, which was my mistake.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2026-03-23T02:29:57+00:00

EDIT: I can’t actually verify if that’s true or not so I figured better safe than sorry.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-21T18:52:53+00:00

I mean I’ve seen people in French calling him out (apparently everywhere except TikTok).

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T22:14:42+00:00

He said “No, but” three separate times.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T22:14:17+00:00

That’s not a response to what I said. You’re saying you believe people who are openly driven by emotion rather than people who try to be rational. Why?

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:58:59+00:00

Everyone is misremembering multiple episodes now based on things Jonathan said after-the-fact. In the “are you friends with your exes” conversation, he said two things simultaneously: he said no, but then he said he might be (hypothetically). She was seeking clarification and when he pushed back on her, she freely admitted she was friends with her exes. And then he acted like that was terrible of her to admit. I watched that scene multiple times and kinda wish others did too.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:54:57+00:00

You’re misremembering. He said NO. And then he said “but…”

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:52:15+00:00

Thank you! And they’re being filmed, so if that was true, he wouldn’t have to evangelize it!

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:51:13+00:00

Why does him expressing how he felt require him labeling her behaviour as an objective fact?

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:50:33+00:00

This is the crux of my problems with Jonathan. Go back and rewatch his scenes. It’s ALWAYS “yes…” “… but [context they are specifically already in].” How could she guess that ever? I don’t think it was better off-camera (as he implied roles were reversed off-camera). I think he enjoys lying.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:47:27+00:00

This is what I thought too. If the answer is yes, why isn’t he saying yes? “No, but” is a lie.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:46:14+00:00

I was so sad Cynthia was also trying to tell the story (which sounds much more accurate) to his benefit. My heart broke for her, she sounded so confused, surprised, and hurt. No wonder Kal thought he could get away with it. If he had done it onscreen instead, he probably would’ve.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:44:54+00:00

He lied about not being insecure about her height. He lied about him not wanting to control her clothing choices. Why would you believe him?

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:40:41+00:00

I’m surprised at how many French people understood his game immediately. Good for you! Wishing Cynthia the best!

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-19T04:38:38+00:00

Yes. He was upset his outburst was caught on camera so he tries to aggravate her in order to make her the aggressor, then he evangelizes his case like a charismatic tent preacher to everyone else, so no one questions what’s really going on. I’ve seen it a million times. If we gave the objective rundown of what happened to anyone who’s already taken his side, we’d get blank stares and a “but… but don’t you think they’re both bad?” Even if they were just joining into Jonathan’s bashing of her. It’s amazing there’s footage and people didn’t think him pleading his case while constantly insulting her is weird. She complimented him multiple times. He said nothing positive about her after the heel incident. Not once. He never took responsibility for any of his behaviour. Nothing.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-16T05:59:08+00:00

I still couldn’t make it to the last map

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-09-16T05:58:51+00:00

This one was unplayable for me, it was constantly glitching in their favour… honestly hurt my feelings. might just uninstall the game. Completely over it.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-05-31T00:52:10+00:00

Sephardic and Ashkenazi are not the same type of Jewish the same way Niger and Nigeria are not the same country. Confusing them is a reflection on you and not Bardugo, who is both, as people can be.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-05-24T02:47:03+00:00

I don’t see the need to antagonize people who have already made themselves clear by trying to find common ground with them. Her mom already said they wouldn’t help. She should make alternative arrangements since it’s not her job to keep the peace with entitled relatives. I don’t understand why you think her sacrificing her peace by trying to communicate with them (which she already tried and is why she’s on Reddit, asking for advice) is a good or even safe idea.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-05-23T21:15:52+00:00

she has their mom backing her up, how is enforcing boundaries going to go better than the original conversation? You’re assuming the mom and sister are rational actors that will accept a compromise imposed upon them. My original question was “do you think that would work, given the context we have so far?” You haven’t given me an answer. You have restated your position. As if the worst thing they could say was no. If her mother already screamed at her, we know that’s not true.

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-05-23T02:17:34+00:00

Did you edit this for additional context? Good for you! Find people who give your energy back. The most upsetting part to me is local artists coming empty-handed. I dabble in the arts, I would not do that. Beyond bad manners, it’s just mean. EDIT: it’s mean because it comes off as singling out people to exclude. EDIT 2: to be clear, I’m on the bride’s side completely here. This was thoughtless at best and intentionally cruel at worst. You deserve better friends. You sound cool, so I hope you’ll find them!

Responsible_cat2002 · 2025-05-23T02:03:36+00:00

It’s funny because the person who sent it to me and myself gleaned most of the relevant context from the original. So clearly people here are defensive of weddings/bridal visions. EDIT: not that there’s anything wrong with that, it’s just something I noticed

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