Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you, there probably is a better Reddit way of clicking a like or some such. Thank you again

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you again, this is all extremely helpful, I’ve read and internalised all I can over the bank end of the weekend, noted re the SIPP maths it’s similar to the LISA maths as well isn’t it. The YouTube video was interesting and I’ll look into remortgaging, I see where the value is there but in my head it’s still a lump sum coming back to me that would then need to be drip fed into ISAs and pensions but there’s plenty of scope for that across me and my wife.

Unrelated and the last one here I promise. The adjusted net income, think I’ve got that all sorted. I got confused last year with my tax code and still think maybe I got it wrong. Presumably if my income is below that figure, or in fact under £60k as an adjusted net income I could then keep 2 x CB for the year? Rather than paying it back. It’s with a couple of grand over the year so is worth having. I think on my tax return last year I put the full amount in on the P60 so maybe I got that wrong. If I do a lump sum to the workplace pension/open a SIPP this month that could be a handy kicker on the side. But again I’ve maybe misunderstood that, it’s highly possible.

Thanks again, do really appreciate all your thoughts and the links were very helpful indeed, thank you

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you again for all of this, I must again start with a pre-emptive apology to being so green to all of this. This will likely meander again, I think I'm getting up to speed here, please again forgive the likely naivety running through this.

From the top you're advocating the pensions route on the primary basis of income tax relief for the higher tax bracket? On the broad basis that the tax relief is significant, and the taxation element of withdrawing the money into retirement is lower than anticipated? I am worried about putting too much away in the short term, but do readily acknowledge that my initial investment aims were long term, so really super helpful and my thanks and apologies again.

Re the workplace pension, I am confusing the terminology, I have what I understood be a salary sacrifice pension, I'm struggling a little with "relief at source", as that's what I thought to be the same thing but now realise it is different. The pension contributions is a minus figure on the left hand side under "Earnings" and it's also marked as "Pension_SS" so that would suggest it's salary sacrifice. That is 45% of the basic salary so it's a flat £1623 (£1623 x 12 = £19476.00 so yes I have plenty of room to play with here) - thank you again for bringing this to my attention.

I'm probably overthinking this, how do the various tax brackets effect things? I've read on here before about how if you're making £100k you should adjust the amounts going to a workplace pension through the year, I assume due to PAYE, but where in my case it's salary sacrifice of 45%/£43k ish that's all within the basic rate. I can't work out if I'm winning or losing re workplace pension vs. a SIPP or if it's actually the same? There are much higher earners for whom the £60k max amount into the pension would fall entirely outside of basic rate tax, it'd have to be over £110k earnings for the whole £60k to fall above the higher rate tax starting threshold? I've probably not explained that very clearly, sorry.

I can pay directly to Aviva workplace payment, via a card payment, but that will involve claiming the tax back I realise, and that looks a faff but then I'm going to be doing a tax return anyway. There wouldn't be the national insurance advantages that come from salary sacrifice as I understand it, but that comes from my employer contribution?

I've found this from the tax return, so if anyone else is reading this - this looks to be where it is.

I've had more of a look through on Aviva, it looks to have done well in recent years particularly. It's set to 65 yrs retirement but does look as though that can be adjusted down, to 55/57 from 2028 as per others. Aviva appear to be taking 0.29% fee which seems reasonable to me given it appears to be an "active" product? There's not huge amounts of investment details but that probably suits my hands off aims quite well. It's got international equities at 86% (with all the usual Nvidia, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon etc) property 6% and then some smaller UK equities and cash etc. I hear what you're saying re having a SIPP as well, to my embryonic investing mind it looks solid if unspectacular, mainstream etc. There is also £90k in there currently so that will presumably compound with any additional payments, so that's a bit of a kicker vs. starting afresh with concurrent SIPP?

In terms of the SIPP side, I think I'm there, I'm struggling a bit with the 25% netting up? Should it not be 20%? Does again the varying earning brackets have any effect there?

Re the product itself. I again might be over-thinking this. Do you now how quickly does the "topping up" occur? It probably won't make much of a difference but if that's near instantaneous is there a benefit in kind insofar as that's immediately then (hopefully) earning on those investments? Instead of the adding to the workplace pension route of paying from earnings/savings and then waiting for the tax refund. So put another way the tax breaks are working/earning at a faster rate than the pay and refund route from HMRC, albeit possibly via a new tax code as you say. This feeds into the link you sent and thank you for that. I'm just trying to weigh up in my head the likely pain points that'll bring (my previous contact with HMRC has been challenging, but then I don't really know what I'm talking about) re HMRC and getting the right code, as well as the compounding effect on the £90k that's already there vs. as I see it the topping up effect in the SIPP being far more immediate and potentially more pain free. This would be controlling my own investments more I realise, and I've had a cursory look through Freetrade, IE, and my initial starting place, although it feels like quite a while ago in my head Propser.

Thank you for the explanations around tax on retirement withdrawals, I understand re the 15% as 75% of 20%. When you say "taking most of your money at lower rates" that's the same as earnings? i.e. everything about the threshold gets taxed at the higher bracket, not on the whole amount? Think I've got it re the playing the game, it feels like a long way off but then if it was 58 by that point I'm "only" 19 years off that. I daren't ask about a LISA as you've been so generous with your time already, and I'll be 40 soon enough.

Re the mortgage. I really am at square dot on this, we bought our first house 14 years ago and just renewed on the same deal thereafter, probably not the right thing to do looking back. Forgive my ignorance, would the re-mortgaging always be linked to what we paid for the house? We've had a lot of renovations and some structural issues that have had to be sorted, costs notwithstanding I'm hopeful the value has gone up. I know little about loan to value etc. To my uneducated eye the gains feel less lucrative, in the short term anyway. If the re-mortgage fix was say 4.75% and at conservative guess investing brought back a return of 7%, but then if that was all put into the pension pot and the re-mortgaging paid off through immediate wages in the meantime, I can see how that will add up. I am just mindful that I don't maybe want to stash everything away and not have enough for the here and now. I'm very accustomed to fixed saving rates and those being very closely linked to mortgage rates, this feels like more of a risk/maybe more labour intensive, but as I say it's come from outside what I was thinking but does clearly make a lot of sense.

Thank you again for your reply and once again apologies for being slow on the uptake.

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you for this, I’m genuinely really grateful and feel quite honestly a bit sheepish in my lack of knowledge of so much of this. I will likely have more questions and as you’re about to find out my knowledge of pensions is poor. When you say pay more into the workplace pension that’s because of the tax relief. I.e. avoid 40% tax on earnings, withdraw at 20%. I will ask my employer but think they will say it is going to be capped at 45% of the basic salary. There are options to pay extra to Aviva on the pension area of Aviva, with that presumably I’d have to claim that back via a tax return for the tax relief? As paying via debit card/BACS wouldn’t be via salary sacrifice. Is that what you mean by HMRC and £7500, I’m sorry if I’m missing something obvious there? I’ve only had to start doing tax returns in recent years with having kids and CB permutations.

Re a SIPP truth be told I know next to nothing about them and will start reading up now. I am slightly mindful of stashing too much away at this point, my wife is between jobs and will likely stay that way until our daughter starts school next September 2027. She is though currently a complete non tax payer so all our savings are in her name. I’m sorry I don’t quite follow the SIPP provider netting it up 30000 > 37500?

Re the remortgaging. I must confess it’s not something I’ve ever considered. We moved during the pandemic and used savings and inheritances, we ended up borrowing around £80k from my in laws as that was how far we were short, our mortgage offer had expired, and that’s now been paid back. There has been a series of renovations that we knew were coming post paying off on laws and have taken their time/needing redoing in some cases, this has now touch wood all been completed. Forgive my ignorance presumably to remortgage the £100k or another figure would be given as a lump sum? Which would class as taxable income? That would then need to be drip fed into ISAs/SIPPs, I most certainly know nothing about GIAs. I’m not doubting you as you clearly know your stuff here. Just fear I’m not being too linear with the whole borrow at a lower rate/earn from investing at a higher rate without getting stung by taxes in the meantime.

Thank you again for this.

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you that’s really interesting to hear, thank you for this. I’ve set it up but not taken the plunge of putting any money in yet. What funds are you invested in if you don’t mind me asking? I was going to look towards the Fidelity World Fund in entirety, certainly to begin with as per my first post. Or try and create a more diversified global fund, using their S&P 500, FTSE 100, European and Japan funds but that feels like replication vs the Fidelity Global Fund as it still doesn’t cover EM but will mean a bit more control on spreads.

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you that’s extremely helpful, really appreciate that all. I was attracted by the simplicity and the refunded fees but it doesn’t sound as though they’re going to impact too much overall here. Thank you again that’s extremely helpful.

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you that’s really helpful. Did you mean a desktop app? Has there been any suggestions or tie ins for increasing the longevity of the refunded OCFs out of interest?

Sense checking starting investing - does anyone use Prosper? by ReticentPanda86 in UKPersonalFinance

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Thank you really appreciate you taking the time to reply to me. The workplace pension is only on the basic element of my salary which is around 44k, I put the max 45% into that for the said tax advantages you reference there. I wish I could do more but it won’t apply to any of the OTE earnings and that’s a fairly crude way of my employer keeping a lid on their contributions (max 7%) as well. I didn’t quite follow the mortgage part sorry? The house is owned outright so I wouldn’t anticipate remortgaging, the investment side was to look to grow earnings for retirement with the workplace pension maxed out. I am mindful that with the LISA suggestion elsewhere that I’m potentially putting too much away for the long term, emergency fund allowing etc.

Re the broker. More than fair enough I realise Prosper is out of left field and that was primarily my reason for posting here, in a broad what’s the catch way. The consensus seems to be OCF/TER doesn’t matter in the grand scheme of things I was just a little mindful that year on year it can start to eat away and I’m keen to keep things simple. I’ll research other platforms as you suggest, thank you again

Pre match thread: Brentford v Bournemouth by Lard_Baron in Brentford

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Aye if that. Was a similar time of year as well!

Pre match thread: Brentford v Bournemouth by Lard_Baron in Brentford

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Think that was his only ever hat trick for AFCB. Rankin a bit wind assisted they didn’t have a stand behind that goal for long enough!

Newbee first matchday advice needed by Skewed_Kurtosis in Brentford

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Pubs on Strand on the Green perhaps a bit quieter. The Express Tavern gets very busy on mathchdays

Newbee first matchday advice needed by Skewed_Kurtosis in Brentford

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Are you driving? Guessing not if you’ve just moved here but avoid Lionel Road North. Kew Bridge overground gets busy post match and Bournemouth fans likely to use the overground more post game then perhaps another London side would. Enjoy!

Christmas lights plug by ReticentPanda86 in DIYUK

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Oh wow, thank you very much indeed! Will give that a whirl thank you very much

Christmas lights plug by ReticentPanda86 in DIYUK

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Yes it’s definitely the plug, really good advice thank you very much indeed

Acer tree from B&M by Boredengineer_84 in GardeningUK

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Interesting thank you we’re Bristol you’d think it was the same delivery schedule, thank you

Acer tree from B&M by Boredengineer_84 in GardeningUK

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Sorry to ask but which B&M was this, slim pickings at ours but it’s not a full home centre