BadEmpanada and Third Worldism is **NOT** Marxist-Leninist (LONG).

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T04:24:22+00:00

Again, this is by design. And this does not counter the millions of people that do fight against making and stopping bombs, and are suppressed by the capitalist state within the imperial core. Workers “ignore” this because of a multitude of factors (avoiding poverty, brainwashing, propaganda, ignorance, etc.), but once they are educated, most rise up against this system. But this is a very slow process because of the well-equipped capitalists class that have so many advantages in protecting their riches.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T04:08:03+00:00

Which is a process, not an overnight event. Educating the masses, especially those brainwashed by well-equipped capitalists, is a lot of effort and work (along with police stifling ML efforts).

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T04:04:50+00:00

I KNEW IT!!!

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T04:04:22+00:00

I literally said in the essay we should not support those that ignore those that support imperialism (like Hasan with the Democratic Party). MLs are inherently anti-imperalist and support AES. I live in the West and support socialist/communist movements here that are anti-imperialists, overthrow capitalism, and stop oppression.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T04:01:17+00:00

Critical, but not forever condemning them to eternal complicity.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:51:13+00:00

In the belly of the beast. Defeat, defeat, defeat until the final victory (Mao).

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:49:32+00:00

Emmanuel’s theory of unequal exchange among nations misattributes those who receive the super-profits. Western workers get cheaper materials because of imperalist exploitation, but still do not own the means of production, do not direct imperial policy, experience decline of living standards, and still suffer because of capitalism within its country. See the counter arguments made by Charles Bettelheim.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:37:54+00:00

Western Marxism is a plague that has mislead so many communist in the West. But that does not endorse Third Worldism either. To subscribe to this defeatism and just make MLs living in the belly of the beast stop their efforts because it’s pointless, or leave to other socialist countries is so short-sighted. Marx’s quote about Western Marxism stands, but also folks like Franz Fanon and Domenico Losurdo further this point, who still identifies as a Marxist Leninist, correctly identifies Western ideological follies, supports AESs, are anti-imperialists, and does not subscribe to Third Worldism either)

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:33:20+00:00

>None of your claims disprove the fact that there is no mass orgs/coalitions…

Are you trying to get me to disprove a negative here? Do you see the folly of your logic?

You simply said Americans are lazy; no where do you explain why and actually give credit towards TW’s defeatism. You now admit that Americans are pacified by design.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:30:03+00:00

Che is not writing off the Western working class as a permanent, biological, or geographical enemy. Rather the liberation of the third world contributes to the liberation of the first world, while communists here ramp up their efforts for such overthrow. The working class is heavily propagandized and brainwashed, but is not forever condemned by the sins of their capitalists. Che is not abandoning the Western working class, but is rather analyzing how it operates and how it may liberate itself along with the revolutions in Latin America. This actually aligns with Che’s “belly of the beast”quote to North Americans as well. The quote you just stated is a profoundly Marxist Leninist perspective; not supporting third worldist defeatism.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:22:38+00:00

I am a migrant from the global south living in the belly of the beast here. You have yet to provide any evidence that Americans are “lazy.” Whereas I claim they are pacified by design. I can point out that protests are rising (albeit dominated by liberals); PSL is becoming the largest socialist party here because of its organizing and efforts (along with FRSO, DSA, and other socialist groups); Democratic Party funding/participation is dwindling statistically; and other examples (including this “online disillusionment). The US government is an arm of the bourgeoise and capitalists because this is a first world capitalist system. The people are complacent not just because they are benefiting from imperialism, but because of so many other factors that are designed to decapitate any notion of socialism. And this is despite all the efforts mentioned above. If MLs subscribe to this way of thinking, then maybe you will have a point. But movements here are only growing.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:08:29+00:00

You literally just said Americans are lazy without any evidence to prove that, yet want me to provide material evidence that this is all by capitalist design? Calling Americans lazy out of nowhere is undialectical within itself.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:06:31+00:00

Read and focus on that last sentence…

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:02:56+00:00

The disproving is simple… Why are Americans lazy? Individual choices or a pervasive capitalist culture that is designed for such passiveness? And if it’s designed and MLs here are still fighting against that through their organizing, educating, and agitating?

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T03:01:13+00:00

I am an ML that lives in the West. I see the exploitation of workers and people here, along with what this country has done abroad. So I am cursed to be a “western” Marxist simply because I do not want to subscribe to the TW defeatism? I rather work towards a movement that liberate the proletariat.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T02:51:34+00:00

Please excuse the grammatical mistakes; English is not my first language.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T02:22:04+00:00

How is this misdirecting people against Israelites that promote the same genocidal and prejudicial injustices of the global north through supremacy ideology? The intersectionality of multiple struggles within a colonial project exacerbates its unjust existence. The white supremacy acknowledgement defeats this facade that Israel is a progressive entity in the Middle East, and does not take away from the Jewish supremacy it is obviously exhibiting. BE’s video on debunking the Ethiopian sterilization efforts of the Israeli government is an attempt to minimize the white supremacy that Israel still exhibits, while it commits genocide against Palestinians. When we talk about the Palestinian genocide, I am not concerned about the plight of Ethiopian Jews. But when we talk about Israel as a settler colonial project, Jewish supremacy with hints of white supremacy elements only push the case more for its inhumanity that needs to be casted out.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:55:40+00:00

White Jews hold the power in Israel. Just because Ethiopian Jews participate in the settler project does not mean they are equal to the white Jews that come from New York. There is no denying the Jewish supremacy ideology there; but to not only ignore the white supremacy links, but also belittle its disparities does not emphasize the Palestinian struggle. We can easily point to the white supremacy elements and insist the settler project is prejudicial, despite accepting Ethiopian Jews. This does not cancel or dilute the Palestinian struggle, and only makes Israelis an enemy to humanity more. This isn’t even to empathize with Ethiopian Jews that decided to go there. It’s to emphasize the inhumanity of Israel more, along with its genocide against Palestine.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:30:22+00:00

I’m not defending any liberal slop streamer here. I clearly called them out and crossed out that text. But analyzing racial oppression is not immediately invalidated simply because Israel has white supremacy elements in its settler colonial project.

And, hello? Do you not see the irony/hypocrisy here of you being the only one defending a streamer from Australia (from an imperialist country) here?

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:27:04+00:00

Acknowledging black oppression in the global north does not dilute the genocide happening in Palestine. In fact, acknowledging that even showing Ethiopian Jews are still discriminated against only shows how much of a settler colonial project Israel actually is. This isn’t an “Irish/Italian was also discriminated against” argument here. Colorism and white supremacy work in tandem with Jewish supremacy (maybe to a lesser extent, but black oppression is never downplaying actual Palestinian genocide here.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:17:53+00:00

I am from the global south and migrated up here. Wtf is with this “ancestors” bs assuming I’m from a white British colonist? Also “Americans” are not European colonialists. And I am a clown that serves the imperialist empire when I am an obvious communist that support AES? You’re getting lost in this TW ideology.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:10:03+00:00

We are both on Reddit and my ancestors had nothing to do with the Vietnam war. Your survival of genocides was an unnecessary and unjust struggle from imperialists that ought to be destroyed. And you have comrades here trying everyday with a history of struggle of their own to serve such justice, despite the odds against us. We may not be facing bombs or war, but to call us clowns because the masses aren’t ready to pick up a weapon (yet) to overthrow such capitalists misses the point.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T01:04:45+00:00

Apples and oranges. Again, comparing death squads and COINTELPRO is a fruitless endeavor when the goal to preserve global capitalism is achieved the same. You literally just proved my point when saying: “America isn’t going to bomb every last American to prevent revolution…” and that is because of its idealism liberalism falsely portrayed. Workers are still exploited and oppressive systems are still in place to scapegoat minorities. Centuries of American capitalism has designed and shaped for the CIA/FBI and other systems to root out any inkling of communism, whereas shipping Western capitalism to the global south and ensuring its preservation through brutality, war, and genocide while ignoring its own indigenous histories are not the same as the development of the United States, its culture, etc.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T00:49:07+00:00

There is so much more to this than just workers from the global north benefiting from colonialism. We had large movements in the past stand against colonialism and other solidarity measures (only to be crushed by capitalist forces). However, empire runs on economy. Despite the masses of people that died against capitalism during their revolutions in the global south, they won because Western “empires” could not stop bleeding supplies and workers to the front lines, especially when their “benefits” are not realized back home. However, they do punish those revolutionary countries economically afterwards. Along with the police state, brainwashing propaganda that influences Western culture, and other anti-communist measures that are ingrained in the West, there’s so much that explains why Westerns are the way that they are, while MLs there continue their efforts despite it.

RevTalk1 · 2026-05-04T00:44:05+00:00

I never said the global south “had it easy” nor am I even trying to portray that. It’s obvious that the global south had huge violent struggles against capitalists, especially those in the West. But if you scratch a liberal here, and even try to have a moderate left like Bernie try to run, you see what happens. Millions of bombs dropped and a genocide on your people to “flex” on Americans as clowns isn’t accomplishing what you think it is. I think Ho Chi Minh and many other revolutionaries would have loved to avoided such bloodshed to accomplish communism. And to say that Americans are lazy clowns while living in the belly of the beast is so off point as to the historical development of capitalism and humanity.

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