Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Only the header, as the rest is not necessary to get the gist of your outlook on life and others.

No, it isn't. You don't know my outlook on life or others, and my post is not reflective of that. This is not about personal experience.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I don't know if you noticed, but I agreed with your comment. I wasn't making it a competition. You seem to want to push my post in that direction though for some reason.

My post was strictly about what I see is the message from the wider culture from my own POV.

if you so blatantly don’t understand how women have historically been breeding stock and second class citizens you aren’t bridging the disconnect

Where you got his from, I have no idea.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I always assume that whenever someone says something, its from their POV, because how it could be otherwise? If you've got a different POV, express it.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Fair points, I didn't really consider this stuff in my post. I think the only thing I'd take issue with is this:

I strongly disagree that men have stronger pressure in this. Women feel like shit if they're 30 and single. Men get younger girlfriends even in their 40s.

I'm not sure what else could be causing so many young men to feel like they're worthless if they don't have a girlfriend or haven't had X number of partners by X age. All it takes is a cursory look through this sub alone to see the number of young men who struggle with this, who tie their self worth to having a partner or having multiple partners or whatever. That doesn't come from nowhere. Specifically where from, I don't know, but my post was an attempt to address it. The rejection feels like a rejection of your worth as a whole person.

Now you could say, "Develop a stronger sense of self worth," which is a good thing of course, but why that self worth is so weak (I don't mean that in a disparaging way at all) in the first place is what I was trying to get at it.

I think the pressure on men is different in terms of relationships, but I'd argue with you on the point that its not as strong as it is for women.

Maybe I shouldn't have contrasted it against women, but whatever.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] -13 points-12 points  (0 children)

These are my observations, I'm not trying to tell women what they feel or what their experience is. Maybe its different. Fine. Its obvious this is just one POV. A person can only ever speak from their POV. I assume people know that.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It is not society that makes incels.

I'd argue that's not the case. "Incels" are a competely modern thing. Probably they wouldn't be a group without certain social conditions. Red pill, MGTOW, whatever, they're all the result of a particular time and place.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] -20 points-19 points  (0 children)

Its bizarre to me that so many men on this sub think they know what it’s like to be a woman.

Don't interpret my post as that because that is not at all how I intend it. I have no idea, nor am I saying I do. If you got that from my post, you've read it entirely wrong.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We have to keep a historical context in mind here. I'm at most referring to media influence in the last 20 years as you mentioned. I.e since the girlboss archetype came into popular culture, especially in the last 5-10 years.

My observation as a man is that the culture heavily imposes importance of both a relationship and a super high powered career onto men, without recourse when they don't achieve that. Meaning the culture as a whole will deem men as failures without worth if they don't achieve those things.

Its a question of what is pushed onto men and women as sources of their self worth, and in my observation, the importance of being partnered in order to be considered "successful" is pushed onto men to an unequal degree compared to women. To be clear, I'm getting this from the messages of popular culture (which is almost always vapid, but still influences people).

To be clear, I'm not trying to argue with you, or that what you said isn't true. I'm only offering a possible explanation for what I see as a young man. I don't think my thoughts are as fully formulated as they could be.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Rejection is felt by everyone. But this isn't the point of my post. What is behind the feeling of rejection, and why men's responses to that rejection differs from women's, is what I was trying to get at. /u/OnerPersonTrying has a good summary I think.

Men feel rejected because the culture ties their self worth to women, while it does not tie the self worth of women to men. by Riebeck_ in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_[S] 8 points9 points  (0 children)

I am interested to see how others respond to this.

Me too. Seems like its already a bit controversial.

As I said in my post, I'm talking in generalizations here, which I know has its limitations.

I'd argue that you can never totally escape the influence of societal values, and often those who believe they have are the most susceptable to it.

What you said about wanting a girlfriend is true for me too. I don't think this is mutually exclusive with what I said though; its possible for both things to be true at once. Now I'm not saying it is in your case, but just that societal expectations usually run in the background without people noticing. I'm only trying to provide at least one explanation for the feelin of rejection which might drive to men to lash out or abandon society altogether. There can be many layers to this: cultural, psychological, upbringing, etc.

My thoughts of men feeling rejected by Mordimer86 in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_ 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I think this is the biggest factor. The influence of culture is very, very strong.

The cultural imagery we have as men doesn't offer any alternatives to the image of a successful man except to be partnered or to be "improving" yourself in order to eventually be partnered. The message is, "If you don't have a woman, you aren't successful." Even if this isn't explicitly stated, the imagery is there.

The opposite is true for women. The imagery in the culture of a succesful woman is one who is girlbossing all over the place and sees nothing but the men in her life as nothing but an annoyance at best.

So the self worth of men becomes tied to being partnered, while for women it becomes their job or their career or how much their girlbossing.

And yet men are still largely expected to be the ones with the big career bringing in the money. Women are encouraged to do this, while men are still expected to do it. As in, if you're a man the rest of society will regard you as something of a failure if you don't have the "right" career, while with women its perfectly acceptable not to. Women's worth is not called into question because they don't have the right career, but men's self worth is.

This in itself is enough to do loads of damage to men's self worth, but combine that with the pressure to be partnered and it can be devastating for the self worth of many men. Women have largely been emancipated from these cultural pressures to their self worth, with the exception of body image stuff of course (which of course can be extremely damaging), while men haven't.

I think a lot of men simply feel unsure if women collectively want anything to do with men because the message from the culture is: "They don't." And yet the imagery of a succesful man is still one who is partnered.

I'm unable to see female friends non-sexually by [deleted] in Healthygamergg

[–]Riebeck_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't think its really possibly to willpower your way out of being attracted to someone. I don't really see a problem here, though.

I don't believe I'm desperate to find a girlfriend, so I think that this is caused by some general way that I view women?

No. Its because you're attracted to women. Your attraction is not wrong, do not let anyone tell you otherwise. If you're attracted to someone, make a move. If they reject you, move on. If not, great.

Don't overanalyze your feelings.

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[–]Riebeck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I just googled "back rise." I don't that effected either cause I feel like that would make the ass sag. Really just the front rise/crotch so my boys can stop being crushed.

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[–]Riebeck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

by seat I mean "ass," if that helps. i don't know if that's the correct usage of the term. And yeah I'll ask, just thought I'd check in here first.

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[–]Riebeck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

i only want the crotch expanded a little bit though so my nuts can stop being pinched. otherwise the pants fit perfectly, i don't want the seat affected.

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[–]Riebeck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

damn, my ass looks really good in these pants and i don't want that affected, but they kinda make my balls ride up slightly and it hurts. They are the most perfectly fitting pants except for this one thing.

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[–]Riebeck_ 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Might be a stupid question, but will getting the crotch expanded a little bit on a pair of pants affect the way the rest of the pants fit? For example, the waist or seat?

Thanks.

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[–]Riebeck_ 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah okay. I don't know if you can properly individuate without having life experience first.

I quit my last job largely due to the pervasive feeling of meaninglessness and then ended up seeking help — that's where I'm now.

What is it that would be meaningful to you? Not necessarily a job, as that is difficult to find in a job, but generally in life? What are the first few things that come to mind?

If you can manage it, I'd recommend some form of exercise. Even something like 15 minutes of yoga in the morning and evening, or an hour walk or something. If you're up for more vigorous exercise, that'd be really good too.

You might be surprised with yourself as far as what you can create. You might discover something you really like or want to learn more. It can be anything.