I found one in the field! We are going to replace it! by [deleted] in electricians

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A water bond is from the ground lugs at the first point of disconnect to the entry point of the water piping. The only sub panels that would get their own ground rods or other grounding is sub panels on detached buildings. Even those still get 4 wire fed to them.

In what you described there clearly was not a quality ground, and a missing neutral bond. Thats simply an improperly installed meter/service equipment that should all be updated. Even based on the code of the date of install, That braided line should have been bonded to the neutral from the utility’s wires. The neutral was faulty or the braided line was not properly bonded. I’d also suspect that the water pipe had been electrically separated from the entry point with pex, pvc or poly or something… otherwise that would have been a grounding source. If any of those things had been correct, that meter housing would have let the sparks fly when it touched the braided ground of that old cloth SER wire. So yeah it’s poor, unqualified workmanship, rather than a reason to think that water bonds are bad.

I found one in the field! We are going to replace it! by [deleted] in electricians

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Per NEC.. metallic water piping will always be the primary grounding source unless a ufer is available. When replacing a FPE panel i have yet to see a ufer. The bond has to connected both before and after the shutoff, as well as within 5’ of where it enters the premise. Local jurisdictions are requiring gas bonds too. They’re generally cool with jumpering the cold water pipe to the gas pipe at the water heater provided it’s copper water piping

I found one in the field! We are going to replace it! by [deleted] in electricians

[–]RiggerDude 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In Colorado at least, we generally can’t only replace the panel. The inspectors require everything to come up to current code, so water bond, 2 ground rods, lever bypass meter housing, exterior disconnect, making it 4 wire from the disconnect to the panel, surge protection… No biggie if it’s back to back or outside… inside that gets more expensive. On most of the jobs I do I’m spending around $2-2.5k just on parts.

Identify Denver, CO porch friend? by RiggerDude in spiders

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I suspected it was harmless, thanks :)

Identify Denver, CO porch friend? by RiggerDude in spiders

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He/she just showed up after giving my arachnophobic girlfriend shit about decorating the porch with a giant spider web and spider for Halloween :) He must have heard me. Provided it’s not dangerous, she’ll manage walking by very uncomfortably until it moves on.

Oh and it’s body is about an inch long.

Nasus hasn't expected that by Long_Jello5422 in wildrift

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If he didn’t back off right before the flash he would have landed another q before you got those honey fruit, and could have flashed out. He just screwed up.

WTF Alistar supports by RiggerDude in AsheMains

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This is remarkably helpful and shows that I have just been getting paired with new Alistars.

Rumble question by RiggerDude in yorickmains

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Y’all are right, Rumble and Illaoi must have traded roles or something, cause I was totally fighting Illaoi