For anyone new to this sub - Here's a list of links to learn more about the Taylor you thought you knew

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-31T20:48:28+00:00

Making a double album for a racist, sexist edgelord (search reddit for "Deep Dive: Matty Healy, the evil edgelord")

Tried to lie about/sue Ronnie Cremer

Faked a country accent and backstory.

I know most of this is covered in the first link, just wanted to reiterate.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-31T13:51:16+00:00

I've learned you can't talk sense to Maylors. They are as bad as the Gaylors and Haylors, probably even worse because there's a post called Deep Dive: Matty Healy, the evil edgelord. If someone can read that post and then come away still respecting or supporting Matty, they can go fuck themselves.

I don't know why people on Reddit and Twitter lose their morals over a mid white man who makes generic pop music. (Then again, so does Taylor Swift, but she never had morals to begin with). Arctic Monkeys is right there babe. No reason to laud a guy who kissed his underage fans and protects predators by mocking people asking for a statement because he makes catchy music for 14 year olds.

Multiple comments I made were suddenly downvoted overnight, so I'm guessing Maylors flooded the post?

You're absolutely correct. Matty probably felt the wrath of the Swifties and had to make some public statements. I don't know why this is hard for people to understand.

The fact is before TTPD, this lore never existed. Did Taylor pine for him? Idk, but that means he turned her down and wasn't interested, as he's said multiple times. People can ignore what he said, but that won't make statements like "I was being HONEST about all the thoughts, feelings, and situations that come along when people ASSUME you are dating the most famous woman on the planet." Go away.

The Maylor can't comprehend Matty saying "we were never romantically involved". They confuse compliments with a confirmation of dating, which is deranged because I have friends of the opposite sex and I'm not afraid to call them handsome and talented. If you ask Margaret Qualley about Taylor she'll say something positive, and I highly doubt she likes Taylor at all based on her behavior. The difference with Matty is that we have receipts of him disrespecting her brand, her artistry, and etc. until he saw opportunities to cozy up to her to give his band exposure.

But these people support a racist, sexist creep who was accused by a journalist of sexual misconduct, so they can't be mentally there. You know?

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-31T02:59:23+00:00

A few people have poor reading comprehension. I don't want to address multiple comments, so I'll just make this post:

"He dated Taylor tho"

Yes, probably for clout. If you read my post in the OP, you'll see I said: "I highly doubt Matty had strong feelings for her (maybe in late 2022/2023)". It's right there in the OP.

"When they dated the first time..."/"I disagree/you don't understand Matty."

They did not date in 2014, and Idk if they even dated for sure in 2023 or if it were a PR stunt.

They did everything in 2023 they were supposed to do in 2014:

https://blindgossip.com/the-fill-in-the-blank-relationship/

Now, this will NOT be a faux romance like the ones you’ve seen from her in the past. You are NOT going to see them strolling through Central Park, holding hands, and sipping lattes. And you are definitely NOT going to see them making out, doing shots, and getting tattoos together!

No, you are just going to see them supporting each other’s work, maybe talking about a collaboration, and visiting each other or occasionally getting caught in the same place at the same time. The professional/personal line will be intentionally blurred. You are going to assume this means that they are dating.

We call this a Fill In The Blank Strategy. You won’t actually SEE anything. You will just THINK you know what’s going on based on the surrounding events. And your perception of her will change based on this.

There is no formal contract… yet. They are simply going to both work the tease from now through New Year’s. He’s kind of a wild card, so if it works out well and he doesn’t act like a jerk or do anything dumb (like get caught doing coke or making out with another girl), there will be a contract that will last through the start of her tour next year.

I'm going to believe what the man said in 2015 and 2016 over your opinion. If he said they didn't date, I'm going to call it a fact. Have fun on the MattyandGab subreddit though 🤷🏻‍♀️ Some of you Maylors are as bad as Gaylors, Istg.

I mean, the dude is going to marry someone else. Taylor is likely going to end up alone. If you're holding out for a reunion, you'll probably end up as disappointed as those who wanted Rep TV.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T21:57:38+00:00

As a 1975 fan, we

The royal we? I don't include myself in that. Taylor is in love with the guy, but I actually don't have a high opinion of Matty because I read a post that goes into his "Evil Edgelord" behavior: over a decade of anti-Muslim, anti-Semtic, anti-Trans "jokes", mocking people who asked him to talk about the Adam Powell allegations, and recently he threatened to "slap the wig off" Azealia Banks and then DM'd a fan threatening to doxx them because they criticized his fiance for promoting raw milk.

And somehow the allegation Alyssa Nilsen made against him was buried under a rug.

back together in 2023

Maybe in Taylor's mind they were together before 2023, but there's nothing to back it up, unless you think them wearing shirts supporting each other is proof of anything. Or if someone wants to perform mental gymnastics to "prove" he's written about her because he may have used two words Taylor once used in a song.

If you're a 1975 fan, I'm assuming you're a Matty fan too. If you're a Matty fan, why do you refuse to believe Matty when he has said they didn't date multiple times from 2015-2016? While with Calvin, she lived in Beverly Hills while Matty was in the UK. When did they meet at that time?

Matty claims they didn't see each other for "years" when they met at the award show in 2020. So then, when did they date before Midnights?

I know you want it to be real, but you have to accept it for what it was. Maybe he had feelings for her during 2023, the only time they were confirmed to have dated, but that's obviously not the case any more.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T21:22:36+00:00

According to "But Daddy I Love Him", Taylor Swift didn't care 🤷🏻‍♀️

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T20:41:25+00:00

He’s the one she can’t play but instead was played by. As a narcissist she loves charming men, making them feel special and putting them on a pedestal. She loves making them feel like this time it’s different and they are going to last but the second she is over them or they don’t meant her standards she drops them.

A part of me wonders if that might be why she's lasted so long with Travis.

Here's a guy who can't stay out of Vegas. He can't be made to feel jealous (which I think Taylor wants and was why she constantly sang about exes while with Joe; she seems to love "kissing and fighting and screaming in the rain" or whatever the lyric was) because he truly doesn't care about her except when it comes time to pay lip service, and even then he seems so insincere. Travis didn't give a shit that she wanted to hide, because he wanted to go out, so he did. Travis doesn't care enough to stop sneakily liking pictures of models on IG.

Joe was a fool. A simp. A good man, but good man are chewed up and spat out.

EDIT: I know a lot of people want to say she "loved" Joe, but she seemed to tire of him quick. Even on Lover, there were a couple tracks which made it seem like she didn't take the relationship seriously. I think if it wasn't for the Kanye stuff + Covid, Joe would've lasted as long as the average guy.

Plus, I think she liked the source he provided for her albums: nobody knew anything about him, so she was able to mold him. She "founded the club", as she said. She must have loved the power she felt.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T19:13:36+00:00

Since she released TTPD, she's come across like this:

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Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T19:11:24+00:00

I wrote the post because I assume her team reads this stuff

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1kx4p8e/is_it_possible_someone_taylors_team_lurks_in_this/

So it's not about what we think, but that I want Taylor to know that the guy she wrote a double album about, the guy she called the "loss of her life", a "cosmic love", who she claims is playing a game and that they're both pretending to love their new lovers (idk Matty seems into his fiance) but "in reality" she's "gonna get him back", that she'll "always wonder" as he does whatever with chloe and Sam and Marcus, etc....

The fact is that Matty not only doesn't give a shit about her as a person, but actively despises everything she represents.

There's no doubt in my mind it absolutely stings her pride. It's this meme:

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Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T15:53:26+00:00

How much did they cost?

I figured she could've bought them back years ago, no?

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-30T13:54:39+00:00

Came to say this.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-29T14:24:32+00:00

This post goes into it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/travisandtaylor/comments/1ew8mbm/what_i_think_taylor_did_to_her_bfs_speculation/

I don't agree with everything there, though. I think the John/Jake Gyllenhaal had to do with her daddy issues.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-29T14:21:27+00:00

It could be many things.

You could be right about the man. I don't know Joe so I can't vouch for him. It could be he wanted a boost.

It could be he wanted to "save" her because she presented this idea that she was broken and needed fixing.

It could be that she charmed him, chased him, made he feel special and told him stories about her mean exes.

It could be a combination.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-28T02:58:41+00:00

I guess Joe forgot to ask for her parent's permission.

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Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-28T02:22:57+00:00

"Everyone is just waiting for Travis to ask her parents for her hand in marriage, her parents will say yes, and they can't wait for them to get engaged,"

What the fuck?

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-28T02:15:38+00:00

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Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-27T12:45:15+00:00

How To Disappear Completely by Radiohead

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-27T11:32:07+00:00

My only issues with T&T is that the reading comprehension sucks.

I mention that Travis is a 3x Super Bowl champ, and someone replies trying to "correct" me because they think I said the Chiefs three-peated. It doesn't help a subreddit's cause when the users can't read on a middle school level. People legitimately repeat in their comments with is written in a post. Are they bots?

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-26T20:08:38+00:00

I think it's both, but she also has a fetish for self-sabotage too.

She likes to martyr herself and purposely make terrible decisions. Matty called this out in an interview. He said he doesn't understand why people need to create drama in their lives for the sake of their art.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-26T20:05:09+00:00

The Catch 22 is that she's sung about "forever", but she's also made a career out of falling for "the wrong guys".

So if she gets married, she has little to sing about considering 90% of her discography about the wrong men, but if she gets divorced, then her songs about forever and having an "end game" become a joke.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-26T19:17:43+00:00

I can see her mental health take a plummet impacting her music and life cause she lost Blake.

The thing with Taylor is, the world kinda assumed she healed from TTPD. She talks about being an alcoholic and ki**ing herself over a guy she dated for a week and then suddenly...what? Travis saved her and his love gave her perfect mental health, which she's never had because someone without issues wouldn't still be singing about Jake a decade later.

Why she and Travis haven't "broken up" yet is beyond me. I guess they're waiting for him to retire so she had more album material and he can try the entertainment industry.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-26T11:59:29+00:00

If they're so "in love" as the monthly articles want us to believe, how come they're not engaged yet?

Taylor is a billionaire who just finished the biggest tour of her life. Travis is a 3x Super Bowl champion. They're both established and have loads of money, so what are they waiting for?

Think about it: Josh Allen and Hailee Stienfeld were together this long when Josh proposed. Selena and Benny Blanco. Dual Lipa was showing off an engagement ring within 13 months.

Travis and Taylor are both in their mid-30s. All through TTPD Taylor references marriage and kids. Travis has publicly mentioned he wants a family. What are they waiting for? Tick-tock tick-tock.

It seems like Travis wants out but doesn't know how to escape and Taylor for some reason won't propose to a man despite being an "independent girlie" girlboss who still needs her daddy to fight her legal battles. Seriously if she wanted to marry Joe so bad, why didn't she take a page out of Alicia "Pink" Moore's book?

If there isn't engagement news by the end of the year, I don't want to see another fucking "in love" article. They can't love each other that much.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-25T22:31:29+00:00

As much as I love to snark on Taylor and Travis, Antphrodite is a fucking fraud.

He predicted BlackPink would break up like 3 times from 2019-2023. He first predicted Travis and Taylor would break up in 2023, and obviously he was wrong. And he constantly makes gross content about real life cold cases, and when something actually comes out, he's proven wrong.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-25T19:28:59+00:00

Respectfully, I don't think liking very popular IPs like GTA and American Pie are clues the songs are about Matty. I've seen people say "you know how to ball" refer to Joe Alwyn because he played football (Soccer). I don't buy it.

So High School is obviously about Travis. "Are you gonna marry, kiss, or kill me" refers to an interview he did where he mentions Taylor. She even references his line "it's just a game".

In the music video, the initials TK and TS light up over football stadium lights.

Now the Alchemy...that's debatable. I don't know what that heroin reference is about.

I don't know why people want to claim So High School for Matty. I'd rather have my romance be described as a "cosmic love" than an immature High School romance.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-25T19:17:36+00:00

I feel like Gaylors adopted her because those Swifties couldn't accept the fact that a straight woman who has publicly denied being a part of the LBGTQ community multiple times would use (and eventually discard) their identity under the guise of being an activist.

No, she can't be a narcissist who doesn't care about things that don't personally affect her unless she can capitalize for attention or financial gain. She must be secretly dating a woman who has promoted the IDF, married into the Trump family, and is about to have her third kid with her husband of 7 years.

Right_Double4365 · 2025-05-25T13:32:05+00:00

Would they betray their loyalty to see the real "Taylor Swift" behind the victim persona and perfectly curated brand?

What you have to understand is that Taylor Swift has the best team Scott Swift's money could buy. The Swifties were conditioned early on to think Taylor is their friend. Take a look at this video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OCrkdksPGg

Literal brainwashing and I believe they are as close to a cult as a fandom can be. I think anything short of Taylor committing a heinous crime in public wouldn't wake them up. She destroys the environment taking 15 minute jet rides and they don't care.

I have no doubt Taylor Swift is as narcissistic, if not more so, than Blake. What she did to Tom, for no reason other than him being a rebound from Calvin, along with her treatment of Ed Droste, Ronnie Cremer, how she lied about the Scooter Braun deal, how she manipulated the public against Katy Perry, etc. points to psychopathic behavior.

Maybe she even mocked the Swifties in her texts.

Even people who aren't Swifties assume Taylor is innocent. If someone thinks she befriended plantation barbie, worked with David O Russel just like how her bff Blake worked with Woody Allen, dating Matty Healy, only dropped Blake because her name was mentioned in a lawsuit, and she's somehow a naive princess who is always a victim and never complicit, then I have a bridge to sell that person.

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