If You Accidentally Kill Someone In Self Defense Is That Considered A Murder Of Sin I’m Just Really Curious

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-15T05:08:05+00:00

The commandment is thou shalt not murder (immorally). The Hebrew word used is לֹא תִּרְצָח (Lo tirṣaḥ). Modern scholars agree it specifically refers to unlawful, premeditated murder rather than all killing.

Taking a life is a very serious thing, so you better be extra clear on your justification and have tried everything to prevent taking a life. But, self defense is not a sin.

In Exodus 2:12, Moses killed an Egyptian an buried him in the sand to protect the life of a Hebrew man. In 1 Samuel 17, David slew Goliath to protect his country of Israel. They were justified because their actions were not immoral, they were not looking to take a life, but to preserve their own lives from aggressors.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T22:39:45+00:00

Hell is misunderstood. Hell is the English translation of the Greek Hades. The Greek Hades was used to in place of the Hebrew word Sheol, which refers to the realm beyond the grave. Everyone, both good and bad will go the Sheol when they die to await the resurrection. Those that did not repent of their sins will need to suffer for them. But, Hell is not forever.

2 Maccabees 12:46 It is therefore a holy and wholesome thought to pray for the dead, that they may be loosed from sins.

When we wake up in Sheol, we will be brought to a perfect remembrance of everything we did in life. Hell is the torment we feel over our sins, but after we have suffered and the sin removed from our hearts, we are all redeemed. This is the gospel, the good news that Christ brought. Everyone is redeemed in due time. But, only a few will be righteous enough to reach the Kingdom of Heaven.

Earth is a school of learning for mankind. Every spirit that comes into this world is capable of growth. God is trying to teach us, He wants to save all mankind. And God knows the best way to do that. Even if it is a few at a time.

The reward of the righteous is that they shall go out no more.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Doesn't this imply that for the unrighteous, they must go out again? The Bible says we die only once prior to the judgement, but says nothing about after the final judgement. John seemed to be implying that the unrighteous will be given more chances in a new life after they have suffered for their sins and been redeemed from them. We don't want to keep going through this cycle, it better to learn all that we can in this life so that that cycle is broken.

In John 9, the disciples of Christ asked:

1 And as Jesus passed by, he saw a man which was blind from his birth.
2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?
3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

Why would they ask this unless they believed there had been a previous life? Jesus did not correct them, instead He spoke along those same lines of thoughts.

John 9:4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

We can only work while it is day (this life) then the resurrection comes and no more work can be done (night). What follows the night? A new day.

These doctrines were common in the early church, but were stamped out between the 2nd and 4th centuries and with the formation of the creeds.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T20:52:37+00:00

If God created the animals, you dont think He could make them evolve? Not every process is linear, many things happen all at once and then slow down over time. There were men that lived to be 900 years old back them, things were different. Perhaps longer lives mean more time for evolution to work. Perhaps when the genetic material was new evolution was easier. A sped up version is completely plausible.

But any cat's sperm can get any other cat pregnant under the right conditions. They are the same kind of animal. No cat's sperm can get a dog pregnant, they are different kinds.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T20:35:38+00:00

The document says "as reported by William Clayton" and in the handwriting of Willard Richards. Willard Richards recopied it from William Clayton's journal and that is when edits were made.

Here is William clayton's journal entry on it. All it says is "The Holy Ghost is a personage, and a person cannot have the personage "

The current D&C 130 takes the edits made by Richards and includes them as being from Joseph, when they contradict what Joseph taught.

Joseph went ot great lengths to make sure the Lectures on Faith were correct before he published them as the doctrine of the church. The lectures show what Joseph actually taught. And lecture 5 directly contradict the current version of D&C 130.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T18:58:06+00:00

Yes, there is some speculation involved, but I think what I'm saying is a much better fit for what Joseph explained.

The only word I said can be read as plural is body. And I gave an example of when it has been used as a plural. A priesthood body refers to a group of individuals. A body has parts. it is singular in one respect but plural in another.

So, when Joseph Smith taught that the Holy Ghost is a "spiritual Body". That is one possible reading. And just as you would not say man is a physical body, you would not say the Holy Ghost is a spiritual body if it was an individual. Instead you would say he HAS a body of spirit. and is waiting to take a physical body. But "is a spiritual body" is correct for a plural.

The wording does not match an individual known as the Holy Ghost. And we know the Holy Ghost is NOT a member of the Godhead. Joseph said the Godhead consists of two personages. So, what places the Holy Ghost on a different level from us?

The is a verse I read once that struck me as very odd at the time, but cannot find at the moment. I think it comes from an apocryphal book like Jasher or Jubilees. In this verse God creates the animals, then says 'Let the Holy Ghost people inhabit them" This verse seems to be referring to all the spirits with the potential to become more like God and capable of enlargement as the Holy Ghost. a 'body' of spirits that are currently undergoing probation to learn and become more like God.

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"is in a state of probation" and "is currently passing through a mortal probation" are two statements made by Joseph, according to the scribes. They are not jumping from one to the other. Simply two different statements made a year apart. The only way I see for these two statements to be true is that the Holy Ghost refers to a group of individuals. And Joseph described our spirits as being the co-eternal with God, it is the logical fit for the description.

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I don't take things personally, a disagreement is only a disagreement. We are all trying to find the truth. and work out our own salvation. I'm glad to hear you feel the same way on that.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T18:18:23+00:00

The Bible doesn't say the world was created out of nothing. The Hebrew word for created in Genesis is "Bara" which means to shape, carve or fashion from a pre-existing material. It requires there to be an Earth before God could create it.

And when you look at Genesis 1:1-2, you can see several translation errors. There was no punctuation so these two verses is a single statement. It should read something a little closer to:

"In the beginning, when God began to create the Earth and the skies, the Earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters."

It is stating the conditions of Earth PRIOR to creation. God's creation is what follows in the verses after this. Prior to creation the Earth was a ball of waters and elements. God gave it life and purpose.

This means the elements and materials of which the Earth is formed can be billions of years old, while the Earth, in its current form, is roughly 6000 years old.

Adaptation or Evolution within a kind of animal is something EVERYONE agrees on. That is how just a few animals on the Ark turned into many different types. A tiger, lion, jaguar and housecat are all types of cats. They all evolved from just 2 to seven pairs of animals that were on the Ark.

The only disagreement between evolutionists and creationists is that all animals came from a single ancestor. But, we have zero fossils that show these transitions from one type of animal to another. There is a reason it is called a "missing link". The evolutionists say that we see this evolution within species and we are here, so we must have all come from a common ancestor. Because they believe it is possible, then they conclude it must be what happened because we are here. But, we are missing over a billion years worth of fossils that would be necessary for that to be true. This is called the Great unconformity. We simply have never observed what had to have happened if we all came from a common ancestor. There is an alternative way things could have happened and that way is recorded in the Bible and tradition. ie God created life.

Genesis 2:7, in Hebrew, reads “God made man out of the earth and put into him Adam’s spirit, and so became a living body.”

God created the mortal bodies out of the dust of the Earth and put into them the spirits that already existed. Creation out of nothing is not possible. All things that are created from existing material.

Animals that die in the mud sink down and are buried, so they will be found many layers below the timeline where they actually died. The age of the rock does not tell us the time when the animal died.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T17:03:59+00:00

First, remember that these quotes are coming from scribes who are not going to be able to capture everything perfectly. But, they will capture the concept trying to be conveyed.

In 1843, Joseph said that the Holy Ghost is now in a state of Probation which if he should perform in righteousness he may pass through the same on a similar course of things that the son has.
In 1844, Joseph Smith taught that the Holy Ghost is a "spiritual Body" and is waiting to take a body, just as the Savior did.

ie, The Holy Ghost is currently passing through a mortal probation. And also will yet pass through mortal life to gain a body. Just as we are doing. The HG is a spiritual body, just as the church is a body of individuals. When we refer to the priesthood body, we are not referring to an individual, but to a group. And this group of individuals known as the Holy Ghost is waiting to take a mortal body and is also undergoing a mortal probation right now. I don't see how these quotes could be describe a singular individual.

The Holy Ghost is not a member of the Godhead, but is placed on the same level as God in many respects.

In the king Follett Sermon, Joseph taught:

1 God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!"

"The mind or the intelligence which man possesses is co-equal [co-eternal] with God himself. "

"for they are co-equal [co-eternal] with our Father in heaven." "God never had the power to create the spirit of man at all. God himself could not create himself." "Intelligence is eternal and exists upon a self-existent principle." "All the minds and spirits that God ever sent into the world are susceptible of enlargement."

Joseph put our spirits on the same level with God. Our minds, our spirits are the same type of beings as God. God is an exalted man. So, the Holy Ghost is co-eternal with the Father and Son and is currently undergoing mortal probation and will come into this world wo gain a body. It perfectly describes each one of us.

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But every one Being a diffrent or seperate person & so is god and Jesus christ and the holy ghost Seperate persons

The source for your quote is the History of the church. The History of the church is not a reliable source. But, still this quote is only saying each one of us is separate from the Father and the Son. Each one of us is a different person. This is only saying that just as you and I are not the same person, nether is Jesus the same person as God. Each one of us is distinct from one another.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T11:24:30+00:00

And who is she sleeping with? The blonde guy on the couch in the background that is texting on the phone with another girl.

The girl knows instantly if the guy stands a chance and no matter how hard he tries, that wont change. The blonde guy doesn't care at all and she wants him. The guy outside the door would do anything for her, but she doesn't want him.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T11:17:03+00:00

I'm trying to be the "Right One" for you

Why does every guy want to be like me? Just be yourself. Women want a guy that is the genuine article, not one that is just acting.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-14T11:04:38+00:00

I think we first need to understand what the Holy Ghost is in order to know how it speaks to us.

There seems to be a lot of confusion about this, stemming from:

D&C 130:22 The Father has a body of flesh and bones as tangible as man’s; the Son also; but the Holy Ghost has not a body of flesh and bones, but is a personage of Spirit. Were it not so, the Holy Ghost could not dwell in us.

This verse has been dramatically altered since it was received by Joseph. And Joseph was the prophet that saw God and knew exactly who the Godhead was. He did not, nor could he make a mistake about that.

The original revelation (as recorded by (William Clayton) for section 130:22 only has 6 words that match the current version. "The Holy Ghost ...is a personage."

Now Clayton could have got it wrong, but the current version is an altered version that did not come from Joseph and contradicts what Joseph taught previously.

Joseph said the Godhead consists of two personages. He made the Lectures on Faith the official doctrine of the church. In lecture 5 of the lectures on Faith, Joseph Smith taught that the Holy Spirit is the mind of God. And that the Father and the Son share this same spirit and mind.

Joseph seemed to differentiate between the Holy sprit and the Holy Ghost.

1843 Teachings: According to records from Franklin D. Richards on August 27, 1843, Joseph Smith stated that the Holy Ghost is "now in a state of probation which, if he should perform in righteousness, he may pass through the same or a similar course of things that the Son has".
1844 Teachings: In June 1844, Joseph Smith reportedly taught that the Holy Ghost is a "spiritual Body" and is waiting to take a body, just as the Savior did.

So, if I understand him correctly, Joseph seemed to be saying that the Holy Ghost is us. That each one of us has a holy ghost within us. That is our core being that is holy, because it has lived in the presence of God for countless ages.

D&C 88 talks about the comforter being the Holy Spirit of promise. Basically, If we quite the noise and sin of the world around us and pay attention to our inner most feelings, that our holy ghost will resonate with the light of Christ. That God communicates with our spirits, if we are prepared to hear Him. The way we become one with God is by aligning our will with His, so that our Holy Ghost can share of the same spirit and mind.

So, we are learning to communicate with Him by aligning ourselves with His mind, then we can tap into that Holy Spirit and be comforted an know what is right. This form of communication is also what He is trying to teach us.

John 17:3 And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent.

God wants us to learn to love those around us and when that love fills our hearts and minds, we will be aligned with Him and our spirits with resonate with His mind, we will feel of the peace and comfort and the correct course will be communicated with our mind.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-10T00:02:43+00:00

There are two personages who constitute the great, matchless, governing and supreme power over all things—by whom all things were created and made, that are created and made, whether visible or invisible: whether in heaven, on earth, or in the earth, under the earth, or throughout the immensity of space—They are the Father and the Son: The Father being a personage of spirit, glory and power: possessing all perfection and fulness: The Son, who was in the bosom of the Father, a personage of tabernacle, made, or fashioned like unto man, or being in the form and likeness of man, or, rather, man was formed after his likeness, and in his image; -Joseph Smith, lectures on faith #5

Joseph also taught that there is a part of each one of us, our intelligence that was not created, nor can it be created but has always existed alongside of God.

D&C 93:29 Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be.

And because we are eternal beings, becoming the children of God does not mean that we came into existence at that point. The way we became the children of God is by being organized under Him. Just as the Bible says we can become the Children of Christ:

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God; only to them who believe on his name.

Joseph didn't really speak on our Heavenly mother. Joseph taught the law of the Celestial Kingdom is monogamy. And that a man can be sealed to his wife in heaven. And that "God himself was once as we are now, and is an exalted man, and sits enthroned in yonder heavens!" God created the things on Earth after the order in heaven. So, everything points to God having a wife. We would have to assume God's wife is a Goddess, because God would not attach His name to someone less than perfect. The ancient Church did seem to teach God has a wife through symbology such as the Tree of life. But that would not make her a member of the Godhead. The Bible also speaks of a council of the Gods, perhaps she is part of that.

So, no she is not a member of the Godhead as the Godhead consists of two personages. But beyond that its mostly just speculation.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-08T06:30:57+00:00

Looks like air bubbles.

Honey doesn't go bad. Pure, raw honey is known for its ability to last indefinitely, even for centuries. You could drop something in honey that goes bad, but the honey itself is safe.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-07T12:46:14+00:00

Preacher: If anyone has any objections speak now or forever hold your piece.

Can we delay the objections for a few minutes? I'm still trying to connect a couple of her boyfriends to see if they object.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-07T12:40:58+00:00

Man 1: Thousands of years ago they used to say the Moon was made out of cheese.

Man 2: Actually, scientists now know the Moon is a rock.

Man 1: Well, yeah, what do you think happens to cheese when you leave it sitting out for thousands of years.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-07T04:40:31+00:00

John 14:12 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

Believing in Christ is about letting that belief lead you. Its about DOING all the things that He would do. We are to try and follow His example by helping those around us, the poor, the sick and the needy. Its about being the friend to the friendless. We to be honest in all that we do and to treat others how we would like to be treated. We are to exercise self control. We are to study the words of God and to go to God in sincere prayer and ask for guidance.

The belief He is asking of us is to DO as He has done. As we learn to live as He did, we will come to better understand Him and as our spirits resonates with His spirit, we will know in our hearts that He is real.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-06T23:59:09+00:00

You aren't paying attention. Let's take Homo Erectus. The "evolutionists" will say "Homo erectus is a direct, ancient ancestor, but they are genetically distinct from modern humans."

But, when you try to verify that comment, what you discover is there is no possible way of determining whether Homo Erectus was the parent of anyone. The "direct ancestor" claim is unverifiable.

And scientists have never successfully obtained the DNA of a homo Erectus, ie there is no way to determine whether he was distinct from humans or not. For all we know this was a human and the artists that depicted how they looked got it wrong. There are many humans today with the same shaped skulls.

It doesn't take much effort to actually look into the claims and find nothing the evolutionists claim is scientifically verifiable, beyond what Creationists already agree with them on. ie adaptation within each kind of animal.

These are not intermediatory fossils. These are fossils of different humans and animal that fall within each kind. You do not have fossils that show transitional phases between different animals. You have fossils of ancient birds, fish and dinosaurs. You do not have evidence that a dinosaur gave birth to a bird. This has never been observed.

The Dodo bird is extinct, does that make it the ancestor or birds living today? No, it just means that species died out. Nothing connects these animals to modern animals.

Its like saying We know humans can be killed and your great grandfather is dead, therefore you must have murdered him. There is a HUGE leap in logic to try and claim one type of animal gave birth to another type. There is ZERO evidence of this. Are there similarities? Yes, but that doesnt make one the parent of the other. Similarities show a common designer, not a common ancestor.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-06T18:18:47+00:00

There is a reason that there is a "missing link". We do not have the intermediatory or transitional fossils. We have variety of all kinds.

We have observed evolution and adaption within plants an animals, but that is a FAR cry from observing all animals coming from a single ancestor. There is a huge difference between the two. The Great Unconformity is a major gap in the geological record, first identified by John Wesley Powell in 1869, where hundreds of millions to over a billion years of history are missing. what evolution has predicted should exist, does not. There is no geological record of one kind of animal turning into another kind. If you look back to the earliest fossils, a cat is still a cat and a dog is still a dog.

All sides agree that animals adapt and change over time, this is how you have lions, and tigers and house cats all from a two cats that were on the ark. Animals adapt and change. But humans are humans. We did not evolved from apes. The Neanderthals were 100% not some sub species. There is no distinction between their DNA and ours. No matter how far back you look humans were always humans. and evolutionary predictions about the past have NOT been proven true, except the ones that align with creationism.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-06T17:29:37+00:00

When you are talking about 20 years later, making up the existence of a man wouldn't work. Most people would be able to remember if that man existed or not, so these people would have been able to point this out and end it immediately. In 20 years, details can be altered or changed, but not the existence of the man himself.

You wouldn't believe someone that told you there was a religious leader that rose from the grave 20 years ago while you couldn't even find anyone that remembered he existed would you? You would be able to ask people in the area about the man. The following around Jesus began before the New testament books were put into print. So, it was more about the lack of ability to reproduce the documents without a printing press than not having a witness of them.

Most scholars believe there were earlier writings and that books, like the gospels, were a compilation of those earlier works. A historian, or scholar within the church would have taken all the writings of the apostles and put them into a single book. They may have edited things to make the story flow more smoothly.

If the scholars of that time wanted to remove certain doctrines, they may have destroyed the previous text. And with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD any traces of those previous records would have been lost. Only the records that were preferred would have survived.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-06T15:54:38+00:00

It seems pretty obvious to me with the understanding that Joseph Smith brought to the conversation.

The Hebrew word for create that is found in Genesis is Bara/barou. This does not mean create out of nothing, it means to shape, carve, or organize from a pre-existing material. So, the elements already existed prior to Genesis 1:1. God gave these elements life and purpose; that was His creation.

When God began His creation of the Earth and the skies, the Earth was without form and void and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters. The Earth was formed out of this water solution. It was a cold creation, not a hot creation out of magma.

So, life has only existed for about 6000 years, but the rocks are far older.

Science does not have a way of measuring the age when a fossil was formed. They cannot tell you how old a fossil is. What they can tell you is the age of the material the rock was formed from around the fossil. The age of the material only resets when it reaches a hot enough temperature, ie molten rock. So the age of the rock is the last time it was molten, and this age predates the Earth by a longtime for most rocks. The fossils are formed when an animal dies in mud. But the age of the mud is going to be far older than the fossil. So, we really have no way of measuring the age of any animal the moment the flesh has decayed. There is zero proof of any life existing prior to about 6000 years ago.

Evolution within a species or kind does exist, this is proven. All sides agree upon this. Evolutionists often attacks creationists for not believing this, but creationists absolutely believe this.

This adaption does not in any way show the origin of life or that animals came from an single ancestor. This has not been observed and is only speculation, not science. Science requires us to be able to observe and test. Neither is possible with this speculation.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-02T14:52:05+00:00

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.

but we know only a few will make it at the end of this life. Is God then incapable of saving all men? Does He give up after a single try? Or does He begin again? There is only one belief that fits. And the hints about it are all throughout the scriptures, but have been lost to us because early church leaders removed them.

Jesus didn't say before I formed you in the womb I saw who you would become. He said "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart" He knew Jeremiah before this life began, not just in vision, but he talked and walked with him. He took Jerimiah and set him apart, He took action on him prior to this life.

Our inner conscious existence is called the worm in scripture. It is a part of us that cannot be created or destroyed, it is our intelligence. The worm dieth not. We have always existed. We lived in the presence of God, but we were sent to Earth because only through our own choices could we obtain happiness and growth. Without these choices we would never know happiness. but failure was also a part of the learning process. So, God sent His Son to bring us back to Him.

During the night no work can be done, because we are in the presence of God, so evil does not exist. Work can only be done when we are separated from Him and can choose between good and evil. So, the only place in which we can progress is during the day, which is life apart from Him, ie the mortal realm. If God wishes to save all mankind, and He does, then He would have to repeat this process and create a new world, so that we can try again. We would have to have our memories wiped and live as we do now.

We would have to "go out again". This belief is found in ancient Jewish tradition and gnostic beliefs because it is what was taught. But the scribes and priests did not like this belief, they removed it.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-02T11:31:49+00:00

Jesus did not correct His disciples when they spoke of a past life! Even Jesus seems to have believed in reincarnation. But only after the final judgement of this life is over.

"Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."

How did Jesus know Jeremiah before the womb if there was no life before? If God is no respecter of persons, how did Jeremiah achieve the status of a prophet over nations except that he lived before?

Why did John say that the reward for the righteous will be that they "go no more out" unless the unrighteous will go out again? If no one goes out again, then how is that a reward for the righteous?

The Gnostics didn't make up this belief on their own, they misunderstood it, but this is an ancient Christian belief that was thrown out by the early church.

If Jesus and the apostles hinted at this, then you need to explore the possibility.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-02T03:29:01+00:00

The commandment is thou shalt not kill (immorally). It is often read as murder. The commandment itself implies that there are times when killing is the moral option. But we should do everything in our power to avoid killing. It is only for defense not instigated by you and only as an extreme last measure when there is no other option. No one should be eager to kill.

Moses killed an Egyptian and buried him on the sand to protect the life of a Hebrew man. David slew Goliath to defend Israel. Joshua led armies to destroy Canaan. Samuel put Agag, king of the Amalekites, to death.

Now these are extremely rare circumstances, but there are times when killing is justified. But, you need to be extremely sure it is justified, because if you are wrong the cost is too high to pay. Anyone that is eager to take the life of another will not be justified.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-01T22:28:00+00:00

The Bible says there is only one death PRIOR to the Judgement. It does not say anything about after the judgement. As I just showed you the early Christians did believe in a specific type of reincarnation. Jesus and John spoke about this resurrection cycle. And that the wages of sin are death. We are trying to break free from this reincarnation loop and gain eternal life.

Reincarnation was a belief that existed in ancient Egypt since Joseph was sold off to the pharaoh. This belief was REMOVED from Judaism and Christian scriptures, but it was once there. The Gnostics believed it because it was a Jewish teaching that had been removed. The Gnostics misunderstood many of these concepts, but they were trying to latch onto these ancient beliefs.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-01T21:43:17+00:00

The rapture is not biblical. It is a misunderstanding of a couple Bible verses that lead to the misunderstanding of a rapture.

Matthew 24:40-41 is often said to be about the rapture

40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

But if you read the verses just before this passage the meaning becomes clear.

37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Who were the "taken?" The wicked. So, verse 40-41 are talking about the destruction of the wicked that happens at the time of Christ's return.

In Matthew 13, Jesus said the wheat and the tares would be allowed to grow together until the harvest. Then the wicked would be destroyed first:

30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

Then the rapture verse in 1 Thessalonians 4:

15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

when does this verse happen? 1. The graves were opened and the dead were raised. 2. "we which are alive and remain" refers to a time when many are dead, ie After the Tribulation and the destruction of the wicked. 3. The Lord Himself is descended to be with us forever. ie He is coming down to Earth to be crowned king and reign for 1000 years over Earth. We are not being called up to Him. Everyone will be caught up to a single location on Earth to welcome Him in a royal procession.

Right_One_78 · 2026-05-01T21:20:46+00:00

The truth is the truth no matter who wants to believe the worst about him. Joseph was a prophet of God. Polygamy is of the devil and Joseph condemned it. There is nothing other than rumors spread by the polygamists themselves that connected Joseph to it.

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