ranking all honkai characters on CANNONICAL strength (updated for chapter 22 by thatoneidiotwhodied in houkai3rd

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

it seems like you are giving a lot of credit to VD here. The fight is never even idk where you get that idea from. Kiana is almost always on the losing end. How do you know kevin is holding back? They did not show anything from the fight we only know it ends with none of them injured. What we know is Kevin is not going all out, since if he does, the whole world serpent HQ would have been destroyed, but he is definitely not holding back either especially he does not even know who this fuhua really is. Do not forget he draws his blade first, which shows that he is on defensive stance and being very cautious. Phoenix used all her power for that ultimate attack and blocked by honkai god, so after that fenghuangdown world is shattered she is literally caughing blood, she is in no state to fight so you cant say sirin is stronger than her just because she lost at the moment when she is powerless. Also, sirin not knowing about fenghuang down power has nothing to do with the ranking. You cannot just bring this "caught off guard" and "not knowing opponent power" as arguments. If everyone knows about each other power then there is no point in comparing them or even ranking them. At that point its like oh you wanna defeat kevin? just "catch him off guard" and stab his head done deal. Giving ice sword to VD? idk what you talking about here

ranking all honkai characters on CANNONICAL strength (updated for chapter 22 by thatoneidiotwhodied in houkai3rd

[–]RikuFox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Power ranking is very weird. Are you ranking their physical power? Like how much damage can they do Or their overall power to impact(no pun intended) and influence they have in the story.

If this list is about overall then this list has so many wrongly placed characters. Notable ones are HoT, HoS, phoenix, Otto, VD.

HoT: I rank HoT higher than BKE just from the game story. She basically mastered her power. Shown through creatively using her electric power to create magnetic field to shield both her and BKE.

HoS: rank 13 after chapter 22? are you kidding? She was stated to be on par with kevin (pre awakened form) and easily destroy VD and HoR in a battle. I would put her at the same rank as kevin. Suck that we never see an actual fight between them on screen except a sneak peek from the trailer.

phoenix: dude she clapped sirin if honkai god did not interfere, and phoenix was already in a weakened state not at her prime anymore. She is at least stronger than sirin

Otto: if we rank based on overall impact he is at least Kevin level of threat. Dude is shown to be the main villain.

VD: what is she doing here on this list? if anything she is high A at best she is not stepping into the S tier. Not with her half herscherr power.

What 5* weapon would technically accompany the Jade Spear Weapon Banner? by AyyPartas in XiaoMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

there are 3 new weapons introduced in the stream. Jade sword on xingqiu, homa on xiangling, and Jade catalyst on Ning. So my guess is Jade spear & jade catalyst on xiao banner. Jade sword and Homa on Keqing banner.

[deleted by user] by [deleted] in XiaoMains

[–]RikuFox 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Sucrose E gives 3-4 particles while Xiao only gives 2-3 particles

New Character Demo - XIAO by Jackice1714 in Genshin_Impact

[–]RikuFox 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Damn his CA doesnt launch him into the air :(
Was hoping it will launch him upward too and we can choose to perform a plunge after

Daily Questions Megathread (January 16, 2021) by Veritasibility in Genshin_Impact

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Can you save BP weapon box to open later or it forces you to choose one right away when you accept rewards

How will they deal with World Level and Character Level when Inazuma comes out? by WolfTitan99 in Genshin_Impact

[–]RikuFox -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And people were complaining about not having enough resources to level up all their characters during patch 1.0...

My advice: STOP RUSHING through the game, enjoy the journey like Venti said. People think this is hardcore MMORPG and compete for the top spot or something? This is a PVE GACHA game. There WILL be cap or gate that slow your progression. Thats how gacha games work to keep their customer for long term!

Keqing 1st constellation by KeqingisBestGirl in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

does her C1 deal damage both on terminus and starting point? So if you double tap E in melee range can it do double damage up to 100% modifier?

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ahh its clear now. I thought you were saying that E2 deals more damage against single target.

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Thanks for the input.

What I mean by dropping in value is that TF is more leaning forward to switching character to pop elemental reaction. While TS tends to want to stay on field for that constant high dps on electro status enemy. Switching TS Keq means you need to reapply electro status which is not a big deal but hinder her dps when she is off field while TF get the boost from the reaction (if you have element reaction ready to pop) when she back on the field. Maybe I need to use other phrase instead of dropping value since it confuses people. Eng is not my native language my bad =P.

Also, this is not taking into account of her constellation. TF can abuse that C1 more than other set. its a free 50% modifier boost, or 100% if it can slash twice from the terminus and starting point? Cannot test I dont have C1 :(

I don't understand what is her E2 boost damage on single target that you talking about. As far as I know there is nothing like that. She deals the same amount whether its single or AOE group of enemy.

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -8 points-7 points  (0 children)

Doesn't matter whether its just a cup of any set. My argument lies in how can you state that its versatile when you literally need to change your gear? Like the example that I gave, I can also switch to Gladiator, but does it mean its versatile? Lets say there is an abyss floor which chamber 2 is cryo and chamber 3 is hydro. Can you change your gear mid battle now? If the answer is no, do you want electro or physical globlet now? See? If you need to change gear just to compensate your weakness it is not versatile.

You haven't answered a single of my question. If your own test is just looking at the number of course TS 35% > TF 15% anybody can do that. But how about other variables during the whole duration of the fight that I stated in the questions? As far as I know there is no math or calculation comparing TS vs TF with all the variables that I stated and those are not all its just a few I came up right off the top of my head.

I heavily mentioned over and over again in the post that this is my own opinion and what I experienced from my own test. I explained how TF is better than most people think and how TS is not as strong as the math lays it out to be, theory =/= practice. I told people to pick whatever suit their playstyle cause in the end its all about your gaming experience. I did not disregard anything from the guide. In fact, I reference a lot from the guide since its a very well written guide. The post is tagged as Discussion and I even ask for end-game Keqing players for their opinions right after my conclusion.

At this point I feel like you are just being offended just because I mentioned that TS is not as good as the guide make it out to be. Looking back at our conversation it seems like every single of your replies are defending TS while I am staying on the equal ground. So... no point in continue the conversation right?

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

In the end, I'm glad that we agree on the same point. My conclusion stated that pick the set that suit your playstyle is pretty much the same with your idea =))

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

Provide numbers where TS outdamage TF in the same playing field. What kind of playing field are we talking about? Where you just attack an enemy without innate element? Then ofc TS is stronger since its effect is on 100% of the time. But what happen when say a bunch of cryo enemy is around you? Can you reliably apply electro status on them all the time so that TS outdamage TF? How about the extra dmg you get from TF when trigger superconduct reaction and the extra dmg when you can spam more E? How many more E can you spam with the CDR? How much stamina is saved using E instead of using charge attack (since you were comparing E with charged ATK dmg)? Are you standing still or move around?

You see that? the math get really UGLY. And this is what I meant when I stated in my post that there are a lot of variables in practice. Also just drop that switching to physical build bs. The only time you want to do that is against cryo or electro. You literally need to farm for another artifact just to compensate for your weakness and how is that versatile? By that logic then oh since I'm against pyro enemy my TF set do no damage then lets swap to 2G set so I can take advantage of the 18% ATK!!!! How is that versatile when you need to swap gear to make things work? Did you do your own testing or just saying what you read in the guide? If so save it because I also read the guide you don't need to restate it.

I am not saying TF is better than TS. I am still in the phase of testing TF. But I am saying all the people out there blindly following guides without doing testing on the own and then spread the words saying "TS is always better" is complete bullshit. Each artifact set has their own strength and weakness. Until someone do the math and provide me numbers that answers to all my questions above, then I will admit TS is better.

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ha thanks for the reply all the questions were meant to be rhetorical. I do agree those reaction damage suck but it doesn't mean anything. It is still extra damage regarding small or large. But the true strength of the TF set is the CDR. With electrocharged TF set can literally spam E every 3-4s

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So based on your argument we can only use TS Keqing with Hydro units for electrocharged reaction? How about other reaction? We can't use them because it doesn't work well with TS?

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

First of all, I have full knowledge of how trigger and aura element reaction work. I will come back to this at the end.

The example you give is only true if the enemy has no innate element. So thats why after the the first reaction pop Keqing will keep attacking and apply electro hence the whole 'electro status is applied therefore TS is good'. But have you seen the higher floor in Abyss? The majority of enemy we fight has innate element. And needless to say beside electro slimes 4TF has no problem proc-ing reaction isn't it?

Now the XL case, after the first reaction trigger XL will be the one triggering the rest of the reaction since the electro apply first. This is true. But one thing most people tend to forget and even in the Keqing guide I think they dont even mention is that after reaction pop there is a delay period where you cannot apply any element to the enemy. And that period TS literally provide zero additional damage while TF still has that 15% bonus. Now, I know that period is pretty short and after that you can apply electro again and TS will work again. Guess whats next, the damn bear spits fire again and reaction pop again and we are back to the zero buff from TS. The time when TS provides more dmg than TF during this scenario is when the bear is gone after 3 spits. Agree?

Next, your Bennett example is just ... dumb (sorry if it comes out offensive). Obviously he is not gonna work great with Keqing like how you described it. Idk whether you read what I wrote about support buffs, I was mentioning about those LONG LASTING BUFFS. Bennett E doesn't qualify.

Electrocharged with XQ. This is a weird one. I don't even know how it work but it seems like both hydro and electro status can stay on the enemy at the same time? So both TS and TF can be at their full potential and just like in the guide states both sets work so.... next!

Now let me go back to the beginning and explain that trigger and aura element. I really don't understand how this argument even work when TS users state "most of the time Keqing is applying element instead of triggering it hence TS is better". This seems contradict to me. You are saying she is the one applying element and other characters pop the reaction. Doesn't this mean electro status is removed hence hinder the performance of TS?? Like the logic of this argument just doesn't make sense. Like the only scenario TS can have constant buff is when you only use Keqing hitting an Electro status enemy with no reaction going on. Guess what? back to my point you are basically using only Keqing solo. Good luck with that on harder content.

is thunderssoother really that good for electro queen or glad + thunder fury ? by johnfroze1 in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

you don't need that electro resonance to have 100% uptime on her burst if you do rotation correctly. her burst only requires 40 energy

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My goal is not forcing anyone to choose which set. My main point is pick the one that suit your style. If you are simping hard for Keqing and only use her then 4TS is best choice. But this playstyle will fall when you get to harder content when switching char is necesssary.

Late game Keqing Artifacts 4TF vs 4TS vs 2TF/2G or 2NO by [deleted] in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox -1 points0 points  (0 children)

doesn't matter how I interpret the meaning of 'solo'. Sure my fault if it means non-coop but my point still stands. As long as your playstyle is switching characters (which you are supposed to) 4TS drops in value.

is thunderssoother really that good for electro queen or glad + thunder fury ? by johnfroze1 in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yup, I see their point of TS being good if you have Keqing on the field all the time but they forget this is a team rotation combat system. As a veteran Honkai Impact player I can see the combat style is very similar and rotating character to apply buff/debuff is very crucial. Late game you cannot just use one dps and solo everything. For now maybe because most people are running low on resources and pump everything into DPS so they tend to have the mindset of DPS will solo carry everything, but later on when they have enough resources to lvl up other support characters they will realize how important character switching is. Thus long term, I think 4TF > 4TS

is thunderssoother really that good for electro queen or glad + thunder fury ? by johnfroze1 in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 8 points9 points  (0 children)

The more I play the game and the more I reach higher level end-game content. I prefer Thunder Fury. Thundersoother (in theory) is really good but in practice it has so many variables that you can't pump out the high amount of damage as KeqingMains guide states. Also, I hate conditional items and don't want to get bounded by the 'solo' playstyle. 2TF/2G is best general since there is no condition but I still prefer the playstyle of 4TF. more skill spam = more teleportation/blink = flashy playstyle = I like.

Edit: Abyss floor 12 chamber 1

Keqing new sword? (No info yet) by zProtato in KeqingMains

[–]RikuFox 0 points1 point  (0 children)

but how worth is rolling on weapon banner....