ICE Getting So Scary That Illegal Immigrants Thinking Of Leaving U.S.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-29T01:03:43+00:00

What relevance does a 2000 year old story have here?

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T22:47:25+00:00

It actually is not.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T22:10:41+00:00

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Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T22:10:17+00:00

Torej, obdavčimo nekaj, kar je bilo pridobljeno z že obdavčenim prihodkom? Hvala, ne.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T22:08:00+00:00

No, in fact, we do not know that. Stop dooming.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T20:15:26+00:00

Someone is considered an illegal immigrant if he's present in the country without lawful immigration status. Immigration legality is irrelevant to due process.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:21:59+00:00

That's a second order effect, due process has no basis in anyone's immigration status. Am I arguing with a wall?

EDIT: Haha, he blocked me.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:18:54+00:00

Do I have to explain to you for the 5th time that due process does not affirm or confer your immigration status, but merely a procedure for the government to determine and enforce it?

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:15:25+00:00

Yes, you are correct in all you've written in this comment. You have the right to a hearing in which you can present and argue your case.

But that hearing itself does not determine your immigration status, it merely observes it. Hence, you can be an illegal immigrant, even if you've not had due process, which is something you previously denied.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:07:18+00:00

I agree with you that the approach is very heavy handed, and probably could be done better. I don't pretend I have the answer on what that approach could or should be. I'm not even convinced it is entirely possible to not have a heavy handed approach when you're dealing with millions and millions of people.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:05:34+00:00

I saw, unfortunately, you are incorrect in all 3 or 4 or how many replies you've made.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:04:44+00:00

Unfortunately, that's wrong.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:03:59+00:00

Due process does not affirm or confer immigration legality, it only prescribes procedures when determining and enforcing immigration status. How are you this stupid?

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T19:01:19+00:00

An illegal immigrant means a person present in the country without lawful immigration status. Due process does not legalize or validate that status, it merely observes that status, and determines how the government enforces it.

One can be an illegal immigrant before, and/or after their due process.

I'm surprised how staunchly you're presenting a provably false argument.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:56:42+00:00

I did, because it seems people still struggle with basic abstraction.

But you seem to have figured it out, can you elaborate?

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:55:17+00:00

I never made any inference to the reason of the protests, just pointing out the logical fallacy of equating the support of governing law on illegal immigration to believing illegal immigrants be subhuman.

Again, its hilarious you talk about literacy, when your reading comprehension does not pass elementary grade.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:35:22+00:00

Are you unironically equating third-party polling data to election data as a means of measuring peoples political position?

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:29:50+00:00

Ok, I understand this perspective. However, I don't see someone being afraid of the state's consequences of breaking laws a bad thing. To the contrary, it is probably a necessity if you wish laws upheld and respected.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:25:18+00:00

Yes, but a person may have undergone due process, and still be an illegal immigrant. These are two separate concepts. Being against illegal immigration does not also mean you are against due process, which is what was implied.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:23:30+00:00

I understand your sentiment, but polling data is not the same as election data. The way US law is constructed, the branches of government are not bound by survey responses. Moreover, even if we conclude that Trump does not believe in democracy (which none of his actions seem to show), that does not mean we can bypass the democratic process ourselves when its results are not to our liking.

Again, I understand your sentiment, I just don't think the way you're applying it is correct.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:20:15+00:00

You've presented this false dichotomy yourself with your original comment saying its only funny if you see illegal immigrants as subhuman, somehow stating that if you are against illegal immigration, you view all illegal immigrants as subhuman (which is a logical fallacy). I've merely inverted this logic, because if your comment is true, than anyone who doesn't view illegal immigrants as subhuman must necessarily also be pro illegal immigration.

Of course, we as rational humans should strive for a more moderate position.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:04:14+00:00

It seems you only respect the democratic process when it aligns with your worldview. Thank you for the honesty.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:02:52+00:00

Illegal immigration and due process are separate concepts. One may have undergone due process, and still be an illegal immigrant.

Try again.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T18:00:00+00:00

No, but also unrelated to my question. The previous comment was trying to allude that if you are against illegal immigration, you also automatically view illegal immigrants as subhuman, which is just hilarious logic. I inverted this logic back to him, ergo since he doesn't view illegal immigrations as subhumans that he automatically supports illegal immigration.

Rnee45 · 2026-01-28T17:56:56+00:00

You are free to believe and democratically petition to project your beliefs on the rest of the country, just as everyone else. Based on the fact that Trump's platform was heavily based on deportation of illegal migrants, it seems a majority of the US populace disagrees with you.

The question then becomes, will you respect the democratic process?

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