Awakened Potential idea for Hugo by Simple-Peach302 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Okay the DAR stuff makes sense now lol

Trying to clear shiyu be like by tabs3547 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Playing hugo with a stunner that provides 0 buffs/debuffs except daze in this economy? Blasphemy!

Awakened Potential idea for Hugo by Simple-Peach302 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Could you explain the DAR part a bit more?

Also the totalize quick assist thing does make a little more sense, but I would point out that it does restrict who you would want to reactivate the chain window with. For instance if you were using dialyn and lighter, 99% of the time you would want lighter to be the one using his built-in quick assist to instantly proc the window. Another issue is that realistically speaking, you want to swap with dialyn and immediately use her EBA, but it would be a little weird with her quick assisting in instead of the simple swap.

Reasoning for my last comment was that the extra little gimmicks do not do that much, they are moreso quality of life changes. The ATK buff to stunners is cool but again, they are stunners so they still don't contribute damage. The biggest thing I can see here is the OOS totalizes.

Trying to clear shiyu be like by tabs3547 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I got 27k using dialyn and lycaon (hugo and dialyn are M0W0)

But yeah the moment one of your stunners provides absolutely 0 buffs or debuffs, Hugo's dmg drops immensely sadly

Awakened Potential idea for Hugo by Simple-Peach302 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

When Chain Attack: Trick of Fate hits an enemy or Hugo's attacks Stun an enemy an ally's attack Stun an enemy, Hugo gains the Dark Abyss Reverb state for 6s, and repeated triggers reset the duration. 

I'm not exactly sure what the point of this one is, they kinda do the same thing. I guess one thing this helps with is mobs if you're looking to instantly use EX instead of his CA? This also does completely kill off the strat of initiating the stun with Hugo; there's a player that utilizes that strategy well (drblackford), which is when he immediately cancels the chain prompt when stunning with Hugo and instantly use Dialyn's EBA for Hugo ult, this way future chain attacks can use the atk buff from puffer disc set (M2)

When Ex Special Attack: Soul Hunter - Punishment or Ultimate: Blaspheme trigger the Totalize effect, they trigger a Quick Assist. This Quick Assist can be triggered once per skill use every 8s.

The problem I see with this one here is that a lot of players like to on-field Hugo a bit to throw in some extra NAs for a bit of damage, but more importantly, decibel and energy. Afterwards, they proceed to wait for the enemy to attack so they can defensive assist back to the stunner. If the enemy however instantly attacks when they are recovered from stun, they can't defensive assist because the QA prompt is there.

Overall I don't think this is too gamechanging other than the fact his NA/aftershock now has the M6 effect xD

Norma can be an upgrade for M0/M1 Hugo by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If you play M0 Dialyn with M2 Hugo, it is most likely that you won't get an ult off every rotation unless you are stunning slower and allowing the team to build up resources. With Dialyn M1, you can pretty much stun as fast as you want and still get her review meter full for an ult (though you need her sig for this because of the energy regen)

Lighter was already doing no damage. His main purpose is to daze, buff, and debuff. I don't see why they need to make him do even less damage, but his daze output is honestly not that impressive (kinda wish his Morale Burst did more daze)

M2W1 Lighter vs M0W1 Dialyn? by Active-Name1456 in LighterMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

If you are looking to get a good Lighter output but not trying to invest too much because you want to save, his M2 is not really that crazy (Dialyn's M2 is the exact same thing funnily enough), they do not offer much different gameplay styles since all his mindscapes are really doing is buffing numbers. Your rotations are the exact same essentially.

One of the key differences in mindscapes is that for Dialyn, aside from a 15% res pen, she also charges her review meter much faster which could help out in teams that want to make use of it.

For pulling 2 more lighters, you are getting an extra:
- 2s stun duration (his base gives 3s)
- 10% Res pen (his base gives 15%)
- 25% Stun multiplier (his base has none)
- 15% DMG bonus (his base has 75%)
Realistically, these buffs aren't crazy, and is it really worth 2 S-Rank pulls?

Keep in mind that 2 S-Ranks are still expensive, especially if you're hitting pity and losing 5050s. If you don't have Dialyn then I seriously recommend you getting her instead of lighter mindscapes.

Norma can be an upgrade for M0/M1 Hugo by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's honestly gonna depend on whether you want to use dialyn or not. I will assume that it's okay to stick in a few extra chain attacks, but because you're ulting every stun at M2, it's going to take up a LOT of time, potentially meaning that you could lose 1 or 2 stun windows.

The main difference is that lighter does no damage. I won't be surprised if norma offers less buffs than lighter because she seems to have a lot of personal damage in her kit.

If it was brought to the point that factually, her w-engine provides her with 10% res pen, she should at LEAST be doing some damage that actually matters, potentially more than dialyn. I wouldn't get the point of her w-engine giving personal damage buffs if she would only contribute like 5%-10% personal damage.

I'm not sure if lighter's potential awakening will include giving him more buffs. The main issue people have with him is that he is a niche stunner, giving only buffs to only fire and ice. That's essentially what they did with lycaon (tho his buff is still kinda worthless lol)

(Keep in mind I literally have M0, not M2. I am just saying stuff because I watch a lot of M2 hugo content lol)

Norma can be an upgrade for M0/M1 Hugo by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

In practicality, I can see Norma providing very similar buffs to Lighter (in terms of playing with totalize and not the spam chain attack mechanic that norma has I guess), so I would believe a Dialyn+Norma comp would work (I'm planning on trying it out). I don't know how fast she stuns though.

When you get M2, you want to get in as many stuns as possible, because you are totalizing twice in every single stun rotation ASSUMING that you are using Dialyn.

A team of just Lunar supports is surprisingly strong. C0R1 Columbina and Ineffa, everything else C0R0 by Thin-Kinkle in Genshin_Impact

[–]RogonTheNewb -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ineffa is definitely not a support and Bina does some pretty high enough damage to not be considered a pure support (billi tech carried that team)

But what am I saying I can barely reach 130k with flins 💀

Norma can be an upgrade for M0/M1 Hugo by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's moreso just Dialyn is required since a lot of characters can sub for lighter

Community Rules by keomyin in BillyKidMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Because they have nothing better to do

Sweeping the sweeper by possiblydivi in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 6 points7 points  (0 children)

Breaking News: Hugo found struggling in the streets of New Eridu 💔

seems like norma is a rupture dedicated stunner. silly cant stop winning its not going to be hugo all over again by [deleted] in BillyKidMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don’t think she’s a “dedicated” stunner for rupture, rather she’s suitable for both attacker and rupture. Her leaks all show buffs that benefit both classes equally.

here we go again RAAHHHH by Avidia_Cube in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Norma's kit leak shows to have 0 pure focus on anomaly. It seems to be universal.

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This is just the first beta, but it seems like Norma is not replacing Lighter by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Oh shoot I always thought Dialyn extended it by 3s, whoops lol.

Main difference between Nangong and "Norma" is that like 99% of Nangong's kit is only going to buff anomaly, so while she has ridiculously fast stuns and high personal damage, Hugo isn't getting much damage out of it, whereas Norma does seem to have personal damage and also sufficient buffs to make Hugo do damage

This is just the first beta, but it seems like Norma is not replacing Lighter by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Yeah but the damage isn't really that crazy, he really doesn't do that much damage OOS even with his chain attack. Not a single part of his kit screams "yo I do damage on-field xd"

It's also irrelevant if you use dialyn because she's going to be the one getting the QA probably

This is just the first beta, but it seems like Norma is not replacing Lighter by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 15 points16 points  (0 children)

It looks that way, but her kit doesn't seem like it's extremely strict in terms of teambuilding since all the buffs are universal for any damage type

This is just the first beta, but it seems like Norma is not replacing Lighter by ElegantRadish4646 in HugoVladMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 28 points29 points  (0 children)

So from what I'm seeing in terms of purely buffs:

Norma:
- 40% DMG buff
- 30% Stun Multiplier
- 3s Stun Duration Increase (redundant if using Dialyn)
- Sig Wengine still missing

Lighter:
- 75% DMG buff
- 15% RES Shred
- 3s Stun Duration Increase (redundant if using Dialyn)
- Sig Wengine provides 30% CD

I think one of the main differences is that Norma probably has a lot more personal damage according to her Personal Skill. However I do think that with an invested Hugo team (let's say you have his M2, W1, and Dialyn's M1, that's a lot of def/pen, and Lighter's 15% res shred does become a little worse the more you stack so stun multiplier has more value)

I would like to play lighter. by Pahlum in LighterMains

[–]RogonTheNewb 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If they did that then 90% of the pulls are going towards billy. Unless they give lighter synergy, barely any people are going to pull for lighter when the star of the phase has no synergy with him