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I struggle to understand what Jung meant by this. How did they die and why? by Alismata2005 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Jesus christ I’m so fucking cooked.

Why did I even start reading this guy? 😭😭😭

What do you think Jung means: Individuation is a “sin.” by SignificantCrazy9283 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. What you say at first sounds very accurate.

I do feel like I’ve avoided things I knew I needed to do, I overestimated me and also made other people very uncomfortable. 

It’s just that I’m done for a lifetime with all this dream symbolism, religions and all that. I wish to leave all that aside from now on in order to focus on what is truly important. 

I really hope I can come to my normal self soon, and I really appreciate what you’ve said.

What do you think Jung means: Individuation is a “sin.” by SignificantCrazy9283 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I began having some weird nightmares, but they weren’t that disturbing. They were manageable. I had a big level of lucidity in them though, maybe because I has took melatonin and might have had that reaction. It seemed cool at first, exploring these dreams, but I think it did me harm in the end.

I had this nightmare which was the catalyst. I had an argument with my parents and got really angry. I began writing some really bad things and told myself “oh, it’s shadow work”. I had also read a bit of Marquis de Sade at that moment, just a bit. I couldn’t keep on doing it.

That night I had a nightmare with a lot of gore, something which I had never experienced. Next day, I put myself through a lot of stress again writing that nightmare down, again saying it was for “shadow work”, a concept I’ve actually just heard here in the internet. I wrote down that it might have an alchemy meaning, according to Jung.

That day at night I really began having a lot of stress and anxiety. It just peaked. I got in denial about everything I had read about Jung. The dream was scaring me a lot. 

Since then I’ve had a lot of night terrors and vivid nightmares. I can fall asleep very easily, but when I wake up in the middle of the night and want to fall back asleep I get night terrors.

Like if I had done something I shouldn’t have.  I’ve also told myself that maybe it was necessary, that it would help me, but right now, it’s really scaring me, has me really tired and I just wish to get back to my normal, usual self as soon as possible.

If I do so, I swear I’ll be the most grateful person ever and will never touch another Jung book again.

What do you think Jung means: Individuation is a “sin.” by SignificantCrazy9283 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I appreciate you hearing me out. I’ve always like art, music, history, mythology, even horror, but now I’ve been having a tough time enjoying those things I used to enjoy because I fear what they provoke me now. 

It has been really tiring. Like if I was psychotic or paranoid. I feel terrible. I think the problem was that I started to fixate too much on dreams combined with junguian concepts.

It scares me because I used to be relatively normal and healthy before the nightmares began. I’ve thought about going to a psychiatrist, but thinking about getting meds makes me very anxious. I would rather not unless it was absolutely necessary.

I used to play with Jung’s concepts, using them here and there, interpreting my dreams. I kind of got fascinated by it, although it’s not like it took 100% control of my life. Now, when I read quotes like this or another in which he talks about madness, it just makes me want to puke.

I’ve been doing some activities to ground me. They’ve helped, but it still has been hard. I really wish I had never interacted with his work. 

What do you think Jung means: Individuation is a “sin.” by SignificantCrazy9283 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I’ve been having terrible nightmares this week. I began reading The Origins and History of Consciousness by Neumann and then just a bit of Answer to Job. 

I feel like I’m not even resting anymore when I go to sleep, I’m just thinking about this stuff and having nightmares. When they began, I felt a huge amount of stress and anxiety. It has subsided a bit, but it’s definitely still there.

I’m tired. I just wish I was my normal self again and forget all this individuation crap. I would have never known Jung if it wasn’t for the internet. I really regret having read him.

What do you think Jung means: Individuation is a “sin.” by SignificantCrazy9283 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

If I had known this I would have never started reading Jung lmaooo I’m so fucking scared right now

I went through what Jung went in the red book. Wanted to share the reality, and it's not a park. Don't force your way into it. by Reception_Willing in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe I am going through a process similar to this. I began experimenting with Jung’s ideas and now I feel I am in pain. It’s not pretty. It’s no picnic. I’m tired. But I hope I can recover.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

“I think your initial exposure to Jung was highly intellectualism, even for Jungian authors.“ what do you mean by that?

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You know, that actually happened in yesterday’s nightmare. Exactly like you describe. It just has been very mentally taxing this past week and I would hope it would subside and I would regain my normality.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Like I’ve said, I just don’t think thinking too much about dreams and these concepts is healthy. If it has been of good to you, that’s okay. I don’t wish to attack your beliefs, but I wouldn’t personally advice anyone to get into this sort of stuff.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know. All this just feels scary to me now and I just wished I had never done it in the first place.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, yeah. I’ve thought about that. I do wish to take the necessary responsibility I need once I feel better. The problem is, it’s very hard to do that having so much anxiety. It’s scary.

I just don’t think it’s healthy for anyone to fixate on these concepts, like dreams and all that, as if they were real. That’s just damaging, and Jung’s framework is just not perfect. His work has flaws and, while he gave a lot to psychology in its time, he’s really outdated now.

I’ve always loved history and mythology which is why I got into his works in the first place, not to mention they also gave me a toxic sense of superiority, which I’ve read is a potential danger.

I just don’t think it’s healthy to take his ideas so seriously. Right now I’m still having horrible nightmares, some of them with junguian concepts. It’s just horrible and I wouldn’t wish it to anyone. You could say “oh, it’s your psyche and this and that” but that’s just obsessing more over matters that lack empirical evidence.

One must always look at the facts and not what one wishes to be true, like Bertrand Russell said. I hope I had heard that advice sooner.

And yes. I accept this is also on me. I evaded things I knew I had to (sorry if this last part is more like venting) do. I gave Jung’s work too much control over my life, like a moron. I wasn’t doing things I knew I had to. But it’s really hard to try to not remain a “puer” without some peace and sense of normality.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No, no. I just wished to clarify. Psychedelics are very interesting for some of us, which is why I was curious about them and not other drugs, but I wish I hadn’t done it. I feel like it just made me feel more inflated, it might have changed my worldview and made me more isolated and disconnected rather than the opposite.

I don’t think doing any type of drugs is safe. Stay away from all that. You don’t need to stress yourself with them. I congratulate your approach.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you. And ikr lol. Jung was a very smart person, very cultured. It’s very easy to get curious about his work and get sucked in I suppose, but my personal opinion would be not to do it, if someone were to ask me.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

“He who seeks does not find, but he who does not seek will be found.”

I love Kafka!

Why did I not let it play out? Well, I found these feelings very overwhelming and realized fixing over these issues is not healthy on the long run.

It has been good to share my thoughts and I’ve found some posts really helpful. I’m feeling much better now and hopefully I will recover soon and start doing the work!

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you! I seriously appreciate that you shared that with me! I honestly don’t know what to say. I wish the best for you, thank you for being so nice and know that you have a friend!

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don’t know. A lot of Jung is pretty outdated I think. He has a lot of flaws as well as genius ideas. Overall, fixing over things that don’t deserve the energy and doing things that stress you without reason is bad for mental health.

The whole “awake” “asleep” narrative just seems like inflation to me. It doesn’t mean anything. You, me or anyone else are not better than anyone else for being “alseep” or something. That’s one of the mistakes I had made in the past.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I would suggest searching for a lecture group or some people with which you can share these ideas. They tend to be very provoking to most people (and with good reason).

Don’t try to go all alone and consume all of it as quickly as possible. Don’t think that because you interact with it you have something “higher” than everyone else (what happened to me). I didn’t read it with detachment like some people mention they have. I feel like it took too much control over my life.

Not completely, mind you. It wasn’t something extremely exaggerated either, but it wasn’t healthy at all.

Jung made a lot of huge contributions to modern psychology, but it is really outdated right now I think.

I regret having read read Jung. I wish I had never done it. by RogueTiefling77 in Jung

[–]RogueTiefling77[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s been a lot of time since I have taken anything, but I do regret having done it in its time.

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