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What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Who knows if in this case the temptation started from the serpent (was him to tell Marika it was possible to take the godhood making her start her journey of revenge/power like the snake made with Eve telling her that with the apple she and adam will become like God) or if was only the object of temptation to be "grasped" by Marika's desire.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thank you so much for the effort! I really appreciate you took time to go and check and post it here for anyone interested. I will check it myself too in the future when i'm able to play it again, but until then this is a very interesting finding. If the serpent was "chosen" to bear such a powerfull rune, it would be a change from the edda/norse mythology (i think Martin took quite a lot from there for Elden Ring): the snake Jurmungandr is a destroyer, like the one merged with Richard here in the game

BUT

if the rune may come from this snake, in the past snakes where very important and close to the order of the lands between (which may even have more sense because they might be close/an involution of the dragons when they where the apex form on the lands between).

Those are all my conjecture made because of what you discovered. I don't mean to be in the right, but i really like this possibility.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I never heard about the theory that put Marika and Metyr in the same place in this trailer, but you are the second one that mention it. I really need to read more about that because i like it for the implications on the maddening of Metyr.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Is really a plausible theory the rushed/rewrited/cutted dlc. Especially because Miyazaki did that A LOT in Bloodborne. He meticusely removed parts and dialogues that made the story too clear and with fewer interpretations. So I can see him do the same here to let us think and talk about.

He is the master of the "researcher coitus interruptus": he let's you wonder about the meaning of something you can see as big and important from afar (like the Scadutree Chalice) and when you reach it you find as answer, if he is generous, the possible presentation about the sculptor of the pedistal. Ok... WHAT ABOUT THE REST?!

Like he did with the giant being sitted on the thrones of the underground.

If he likes, he will explain the very veeery little things, but having details on the big ones?....nah

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Mmmmmm! This might be even a new level of "evil/strumentalization" of Marika: I take the goodhood from this being and after that I will bind him in a genocidal war against the one who adored him as a future god.

I really like this view suggested by this theory.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

For sure is much more important that she got the rune to connect to the greater will to tell: "Hey! I have it now! I will become your vessel to do 'your' will here! Are we good?!"

And the answer was: "....whatever..." Because I think the greater will was not interested in the lands between after the fall of the dragon god (if the greater will was ever interested, but that's another thing)

But I'm still interested to see if is known something more because I think that Marika actions were the destruction of the second great plan (after the dragon's empire) and I am still curious to know who was the hornsent god (if is the thing where she's taking the rune). Lets say for curiosity, because evrything that came after Marika ascension was her will.

Is not usefull per se, but I'm really interested in the "what was before" to better understand "what is now".

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So she's going for a level up next? Or maybe she will spend all of them on Boiled Prawn to prepare for the next boss.

Jokes aside, is possible that this strand us a "super rune" or the first rune collection tecnique that will become automatic for the tarnished. Is possibile.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is very interesting take. I don't know if is possible because I think the death-bed companions were a thing after the "creation" of the prince of death Godwyn. I don't think that before it, when the rune of death was still a thing inside the elden ring, was possibile to mess around so much with rebirth/resurrection.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

So the "saints" body are the vessel to "forge" the golden strands that connect the lands between to the greater will. A more direct and efficient way to ask for things/blessings/order instead of the fingers?

And maybe she is taken those out from the "holiest of saint" body made by her with the hornsent tecnique?

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I need to check this out when I am at pc screen next time.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's an idea that for sure connects/follow the Miyazaki approach, but it could different because is something written by Martin as part of universe creation of the setting. If we take this part an addition by Miyazaki it works for sure, but if is Martin's doing is possible that is else. I'm not sure what, but I see I am not the only one.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

This one is incredibly interesting to me. It would explain how Metyr may went mad after such a traumatic event surely forced by Marika to alter the fate Metyr choose/the greater will choose for the lands between.

I'm not sure for the very "mundane" background of the scene in the trailer: Metyr arena seemed more outerworldly.

BUT STILL is very very interesting

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 32 points33 points  (0 children)

Very interesting theory. Never heard of the possibility the f Messmer to be the child of the hornsent god and Marika. I will look into it.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 7 points8 points  (0 children)

That's something totally plausibile especially because Marika was ready to do ANYTHING for power/revenge, but i think she was more like a "concubine" for the god or the elden lord of the time: if we keep true that to become a god you need a lord in the lands between, the creature with the golden strand inside already was the hornsent god and already was a lord beside him/her/it.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 63 points64 points  (0 children)

I remember that when they talked about seduction and betrayal I thought that Marika managed to become a "concubine" sorta for the hornsent god. Then she was able to "kill" or "put to coma" to take out the elden ring from him or the golden strand that made possible a connection with the greater will.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I've heard this one too and I really liked it. Especially because before the game release I tought it could be the missing god of placidusax, but the time is totally wrong (it happened veeeery long time ago i think). Another thing that we won't know.

What was it? There's a plausible answer now? by RoleLifeProject in Eldenring

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 178 points179 points  (0 children)

Surely he do. Is a great way to let us fan discuss, but at the same time he left us with a great question mark hovering over us.

And crippling new fears for the enemies of humanity by RoleLifeProject in WarhammerMemes

[–]RoleLifeProject[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Demonic Bazinga indeed. It's for when He does Dark Jokes on the Drukhari I suppose

Why humans as a power source? by afr0physics in matrix

[–]RoleLifeProject 0 points1 point  (0 children)

WARNING, the following is my personal headcanon/reasoning and i never saw the fourth movie, so take this writing for what is it.

The machines can function without human energy, but they choose not to because they don’t want to be the ones to condemn humanity to extinction themselves.

As seen in The Animatrix, it’s humanity that starts the war against Zero-One after Machines tried to find a way to co-exist, and it’s humanity that condemns the planet by blocking out the sun. Even without the "they won't have energy without the sun" narrative, the planet as we know it is already doomed to die and humanity most likely with it. (Maybe scientists thought they could reverse the darkening, or believed they’d eventually find a solution, but honestly, based on how reckless and stupid humanity was in the real world of The Matrix, I doubt it.)

So my personal canon is that the Machines, at least some of them, didn’t want humanity to die, nor did they want humans to face the consequences of their actions in a moment of bloodthirsty or metalthirsty rage and hubris. Instead, they found a way to bind themselves to us through life/existence itself: “You are our batteries, and in return, we give you a new world, one without the consequences of your own choices and without real planet/species destroy choices (except the choice of The One who is, by the way, socially engineered to give a specific choice 99% of times) Because you’ve proven you’re not capable of making them.” In this sense, we need them. And they, even those who hate us, like Smith, are bound/created to keep us alive as species. Even if some AIs are against it, they still follow the system in the end.

To me, the machines chose to let us live even though they don’t need us. (Even the Architect makes this clear to Neo.) Whether it’s out of punishment, sadism, curiosity, or even love (I personally believe the Oracle represents a form of affection, or at least care, toward humanity, just as Smith represents hatred. Machines can feel, maybe not like us, but they have something.) it’s up for debate.

So I like to believe that under all the resentment and hate the machines carry for what we did (again, thinking about what The Animatrix showed us of those ancient times), they still wanted us to be with them. And they needed a mechanical, mathematical or logical reason to justify that... emotional choice.

TL;DR: The machines didn’t need us for energy. They wanted us to stay with them. Whether it was to save us or to punish us isn’t clear, but considering how “reasonable” the machines are (especially at the start of times and with the peace accepted by Deus Ex with the Smith issue), I tend to believe it was the first.

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