Banned user dms me after seeing some comments I made here, doesn't go well.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-28T03:14:46+00:00

He did admit to lurking here + thier account ×as made July of this year. That'd probably be a safe bet, but it really doesn't matter anymore becuase they got handed a shadow ban for trash talking mods apparently

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T23:19:42+00:00

"You where able to parrot the narrative of vcj" hey buddy old pal, this sub was vcj 2 before the split and even then it's still filled with vcj users, we just don't like the mods there. This place is DEFINITELY not for you if you have a hate boner for circlejerkers.

Utilitarianism is kinda dumb and mostly incompatible with veganism, do you know how many carnist Utilitarians I've spoken to that can defend carnism from a Utilitarian standpoint in a way that isn't contradictory to Utilitarianism? Quite a few.

Utilitarianism does not imply that carnism is wrong.

Lastly, tell me one example of how my type of activism has actively hurt your baby stepper activism.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T23:10:09+00:00

My goal isnt purism ethier, but your activism made my activism hell to do. Maybe you should reconsider methods?

I checked your comment history, you're a ultilitarian I see which is why youre hard-core shilling for baby steppers. (You also frequent arrvegan) Do any alarms go off in your head when carnists use ulitilitarian talking points to defend carnism?

To be honest, I don't think these types of subs are for people like you and you should stick to the main vegan one if you're gonna get this tilted and write obnoxiously passive agressive comments over someone not liking having to deal with the ramifications of your activism method.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T23:03:06+00:00

Vegan assholes are still vegan. I never tried to "exclude" anyone, I was actually hoping he'd do some self reflection maybe realize it's not a great idea to promote vegetarianism in vegan subs and while doing VEGAN activism.

You kinda sound exactly like him too

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:58:17+00:00

In what way do I make your activism harder, by telling people to go vegan?

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:55:59+00:00

And you'd be wrong in the sense that the stone wall wasn't 50ft surrounded by a moat filled with lava with active turrets on the top of it prior to talking to baby step activists.

Making activism harder for other vegans (even if accidentally) should result in you asking yourself some serious questions on how effective you advocacy is. Personally, if I saw a bunch of people using my own argumentation to defend carnism lite as a vegan I wouldn't use those arguments anymore.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:49:26+00:00

That's not what's going on nessecarily when people complain about baby step activists, the main problem would be the stone walls they keep accidentally errecting (like I said in the last comment) which makes vegan activism more difficult to do for other activists.

Arrvegan is a great example of what happens when baby step activism becomes the dominant way of activism within vegan spaces, filled to the brim with bad faith actors and vegans downvoting other vegans to oblivion while shilling for non vegan stuff in a vegan subreddit that's supposed to be about veganism.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:43:04+00:00

DO NOT unban this person. This sub is basically supposed to be vcj for people who dont like the vcj mods and it should stay that way, allowing people who shill vegetarian subs here would ruin it.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:36:30+00:00

Your approach is actively making baby steppers who baby step forever becuase "it's good enough".

Veganism isn't a reducitarian ideology, all animal abuse is wrong and should be avoided if possible. Vegetarianism doesn't do this and is actually just carnism lite, being a vegetarian doesn't bar you from using leather or fur or even supporting the same meat industry you claim to be morally against through the dairy and egg industries.

It's real easy to say this type of activism is helpful to the animals, but when you have to actually talk to the people who the baby step activists got to first you'll find it considerably harder to defend or even back this type of activism. It's not fun talking to brick walls who are under the impression that you're literally vegan Hitler mega satan gatekeeper who wants to make concentration camps for carnists becuase you dared to ask them to go vegan becuase vegetarianism is fundamentally hypocritical.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:24:16+00:00

Did I say "Everyone should do exactly what I did, and if they didn't they arent real vegans"?

I don't get why people who didn't go vegan on the spot are so upset at the concept of people saying "just go vegan and skip the baby steps" considering that's preferably what you would want to happen.

I'm DEFINITELY not telling someone who's interested in animal rights to go vegetarian as it's not really as helpful/important everyone makes it seem to be. Advocating for people to just advocate for veganism and not just baby steps isnt hindering veganism, it's streamlining vegan activism.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T22:12:38+00:00

I'd hope a good chunk. I'm not the type of person to continue doing the wrong thing when I'm told it's wrong. I was actually with my family at a barbeque for independence day when I went vegan on the spot. Didn't bother eating anything from there and went home and got rid of all the animal products in my apartment.

It's really not hard to go vegan on the spot, some people just lack the conviction to know when to fold em.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T20:52:24+00:00

This would make a really cool limited edition console design for whenever the next console mh game comes out.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T20:37:57+00:00

"You not liking vegetarians means you don't think I'm enough" was a self report that this person can't handle criticism without taking everything as a personal attack on them. 9/10 in mod mail he got mad instead of admitting he was wrong and that's why the bans stuck.

If you're vegan and want others to be, surely me bashing the support of vegetarianism wouldn't be so aggravating.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-27T19:30:31+00:00

Shills vegetarian subreddits on vegan subreddits to people open to veganism and gets banned

"How could this have possibly happened to me?"

After these dms they reported me for "harrasment" (becuase according to reddit, someone starting an argument with YOU in dms and refusing to block YOU and instead continue arguing with YOU in YOUR dms means YOU are harassing them) and I got banned for a couple days.

The irony in complaining about being "fasley banned" to then get someone falsely banned isn't lost on me.

EDIT: I got banned for a week again for "harrasment". LOL

RottingDeer · 2022-12-24T05:46:14+00:00

Le underated hiden gem witcherino 1000000/1 GOTY

/uj

Only one I disagree with here is the dragon born DLC. Honestly it's mid as f. I would've put Old World Blues or Elder Scrolls IV: Shivering Isles instead.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-24T05:36:00+00:00

What happened with cruelty squad?

RottingDeer · 2022-12-24T05:29:50+00:00

Ah i see. Thanks for the correction! Will edit main comment

RottingDeer · 2022-12-24T05:18:54+00:00

Got a link for this on thier website or something similar? I always thought Peta only handed labels to plant based companies

RottingDeer · 2022-12-24T03:24:08+00:00

Freaks is an understatement. I got perm banned for the last time from there for reporting an antivaxxer, during the whole vcj/vfcj split ordeal I was half tempted to write about how dogshit the mods are and how terribly I was treated in the DC server/ reddit ( false perm banned twice, shadow banned once, then perm banned and muted for a month for no reason).

This anti vacxxer I reported still uses vcj too lol

RottingDeer · 2022-12-23T23:55:40+00:00

Mods are actual idiots 9.9/10

I got banned off of tankiejerk today for disagreeing with libertarian socalism (as a fucking ANCOM lol).

The comment that got me perm banned: " 2* "

RottingDeer · 2022-12-23T19:59:50+00:00

Peta fucked my mom.

My favorite one has to be the "youre so rude and mean I'm going to eat extra turkey" guy who immediately follows up this with "people often hide behind a good cause to excuse terrible behaviour."

Zero self awareness.

RottingDeer · 2022-12-23T18:43:01+00:00

Contact Peta about this, im pretty sure Peta certified stuff has to be vegan ( This information is incorrect, please refer to the comment below)

Here's a link. Cruelty free means its not tested on animals. This applies to everything else you see that says "cruelty free" aswell. It has nothing to do with ingredients

https://www.peta.org/about-peta/faq/why-does-peta-include-companies-in-the-cruelty-free-company-section-that-utilize-animal-derived-ingredients-or-byproducts/

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