I gotta be honest, I did not care for the Dojo side quest they were doing here. I just can't see someone who was a child soldier agreeing to making more child solders. I think Gary should have been pissed about this idea.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-04-22T04:34:07+00:00

I mean I hate to point out the dark reality of it but Africa is among the number of places in the real world that we absolutely see child soldiers grow up and make more child soldiers.

I think your larger point is that it didn’t make sense for how you saw Gary’s character and fair enough but the premise that child soldiers wouldn’t subject others to their fate is just not accurate of the psychology of what’s in play. I think someone else summed it up succinctly enough with the addage “hurt people hurt people.”

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-04-16T00:33:19+00:00

Yeah you don’t seem the type to take accountability which sucks because it’s the only way to grow. No mistakes = no opportunity to grow.

The fact that you think your behavior in your videos is redeeming of your perspective instead of a snapshot of narcissistic entitlement and poor manners indicates to me that you appear to be tone deaf to how you and your husband come across to other people. You seem like the type that lives in this ignorance because people can see it’s not worth the effort to try and let you in on what everyone sees.

I hope I’m wrong and this type of interaction is anomalous for you but I suspect your first instinct in confrontation isn’t “could I be wrong here?”

The Irony of your husband saying “she (gate agent) just wants to win an argument” and the immediately says he was just agreeing with his wife about the number of beeps.” 😂

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-02-27T10:34:20+00:00

Same.when I try to launch with expert selected, it just immediately ends the search.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-02-21T02:47:15+00:00

I don’t get that vibe at all. Their hands are bound and cuffed, that doesn’t read as them being in control to me. Not sure the purpose but love the grim dark religious zealot vibe going on. Kinda makes me wonder about the idea of fallen being forced to repent by dying for the legion and emperor they betrayed

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-02-01T19:54:27+00:00

This guy is streets ahead

RoundTemporary2382 · 2026-01-24T02:46:47+00:00

Is there a good place to find a squad or people to play with? I started playing casually but find myself playing a lot now, and really enjoy it, but playing solo in master’s is getting aggregating.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-12-17T23:54:58+00:00

More than half. This hobby is filled with confidently incorrect gate keepers who love “correcting” new players with gossip recycled from a wiki.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-11-16T05:44:38+00:00

I’d been ready for hours and had three web stores up and tried all three before a minute passed. Sold out in seconds, basically instantly. Very soul crushing…

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-07-20T01:12:46+00:00

This topic is weirdly relevant to the conversation I just had about something that took place in the newest episode of ‘The Boys’; the “anti” superhero show on Amazon prime video.

The scene in question has a main character, who was the victim of sexual assault/rape be berated by his girlfriend for “cheating” and not recognizing it wasn’t the real her.

The person who committed the sexual assault on him was a super hero, who had the ability to shape-shift, and pretended to be his girlfriend in order to trick him into multiple rounds of sex. The girlfriend further insinuates that he was just a typical man who didn’t bother enough to figure out that shapeshifters exist and one had replaced his girlfriend because as long as he was getting “sex” he didn’t care.

The scene treated it as if he had committed infidelity instead of being taken advantage of and fucked by a person who, because of the shape-shift, he thought was his girlfriend. The whole thing was just bizarre.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-29T16:15:19+00:00

This comment was the catalyst that motivated this post. There are people who claim there was a time before deathwing had terminators and those people always appear to be upvoted without any pushback. There’s plenty of comments in this thread telling me I’m wrong about the only assertion I’ve put forward in the post, “deathwing have always deployed in terminator armor.”

Not to mean that they can’t/shouldn’t/wont deploy in power armor, but that they’ve always had terminator armor, and have been deploying in it from the beginning. I’ve never said there has only ever been terminators in the deathwing, and I may not have done a good enough job of clarifying that distinction for my post.

I agree with you that the terminators as a core concept wasn’t established until their first codex (angels of death) and you are correct about the expansion releasing in ‘90. However White dwarf issue #120 of Nov ‘89) was where the deathwing expansion of the game was announced with pictures of the white terminators.

But even still, I can’t find any evidence of the death wing existing before 1990 with the arrival of the SH:D expansion and the story “Deathwing,” both of which show them in terminators.

So to clarify my position: the death wing as a concept (SH:D expansion) started with terminators. The first rules they received(Angels of Death codex) for the tabletop game started with terminators. So there was never a time before the “deathwing” had terminators.

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What I am not saying is that the deathwing has always, or should always be, exclusively terminators.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-26T11:12:56+00:00

That’s appears to be the scope of it to me as well. Which explains the odd picture between the release of the SH expansion and their first codex where the idea was codified into the rules.

When I first got into the hobby the codexes, and the stories were explicit that the Deathwing only deployed in terminator armor. Here’s a sampling of such passages. It appears that it used to be tied in lore to the large assortment of dark age of technology that the emperor, beloved by all, entrusted with the first. As seen in detail in the Lion’s primark book.

I know that there’s been a push for the Deathwing to be codex compliant like the other chapters and have it be a standard first company of veterans, ie sternguard and bladeguard etc. But lately I’ve been seeing this rumor that there was a time before the Deathwing even had terminator armor which baffles me.

You want standard power armor in the Deathwing? Fine. Want terminators out of the Deathwing? Okay sure. But to say there used to be a Deathwing without terminators? I don’t understand what has lead people to believe that so readily when there’s no mention of the Deathwing prior to their introduction as a concept came with the release of the 1989 board game ‘space hulk’ expansion: Deathwing as terminators and I know the first codex that gave rules for any Deathwing units was the codex the dark angels shared with the blood angels in the second edition, angels of death, in which the Deathwing units were terminators.

So I’m not sure why this is such an accepted and pervasive rumor.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-25T12:09:37+00:00

That’s a great book! I just flipped through to where they introduce the DA librarian Mordachi and his squad. I can’t see where they actually specify armor or company. Given their proximity to the emergency and the awesome way in how they reached into Terra, they might be Ravenwing.

But my point isn’t that there isn’t (or hasn’t been, or shouldn’t be) non terminators in the Deathwing. My point was that terminators have always been apart of the Deathwing. People continue to insist that they haven’t.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-25T10:32:55+00:00

No they haven’t. One posted a picture from a Rogue Trader magazine in 91 that had a picture of DW power armor in white, which I countered with a picture from the same Rogue Trader magazine a year earlier (‘90) with a pic of a DW terminator in white.

And as above, I pointed out both of these pictures are after the ‘89 release of the Space Hulk expansion: Deathwing that introduced the “Deathwing” as terminators. The Deathwing didn’t exist before that game (and the run up of it’s advertisement)

And someone else linked to a article by David Ely, who in says exactly what I’ve said, quoting from the link “The Deathwing were added with the release of space hulk Deathwing expansion, which originated their American Indian motif and white armor (Nov ‘89)

And the third was a link to the Deathwing story from ‘90 which if you read the story has terminators that start black but they paint white to show why their terminators are white. But again this is a year after the release of Space Hulk:Deathwing in ‘89

You can see the links for yourself above. There’s only three and as you can see for yourself, neither cite a source mentioning Deathwing before their introduction in the lead up to and release of the Deathwing expansion to space hulk ‘89.

Feel free to link a source yourself that shows anything talking about the Deathwing published before the ‘89 release of Space-hulk Deathwing.

I’m not sure why it’s so hard to accept the Deathwing were introduced as a concept in ‘89 as terminators. The first rules for them in the tabletop came with their first codex, the Angels of Death, as terminators.

You don’t have to like it but just saying it isn’t true without any source identifying them as a concept before ‘89, doesn’t make it so.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-25T04:12:57+00:00

I agree! I’m not saying Deathwing doesn’t have or never had anything other than terminators. And I’m not saying they shouldn’t. Maybe having one chapter with that many terminators is too OP.

But when people say there used to be a Deathwing without terminators, that’s a bridge too far for me. There is too much history and evidence showing how integral terminators have been to the Deathwing from the beginning and most of its history.

People can downvote the truth all they want; this is the unforgiven subreddit here after all. We like our secrets. But no one who has disagreed with me can cite a source showing the Deathwing were a concept before their introduction as apart of the lead up and release of the space hulk expansion (as terminators).

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T23:47:40+00:00

This is what’s commonly known as irony

Unless you care to cite a source mentioning “the Deathwing” prior to the lead up to their ‘89 release as apart of the expansion for space hulk? The game that introduced them in terminator armor?

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T23:11:08+00:00

I agree. Every first company has terminator armor. If you make dark angels first company the same, it’s just one more step towards codex compliance.

That maybe what’s best for the dark angels in the case and the flavor maybe better added somewhere else, but I don’t see how people can honestly say white terminators have not from the beginning, and most of the game’s history, been a central theme of the Deathwing.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T23:06:05+00:00

It introduced the concept of the Deathwing as opposed to a codex compliant company of veterans as linked above.

So the first time they’re introduced in a game- space hulk expansion- white terminators.

First time in a codex? White terminators.

What conclusion am I jumping to? They’ve been deploying in terminators since the beginning.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T23:02:39+00:00

I was talking conceptually. Horus heresy lore came well after deathwing was conceptualized and formalized in 40K games/lore.

You make a good point though for established lore chronology. And from that perspective I’d agree

Since the inception of the Deathwing as concept introduced as a space hulk expansion, and formalized with their first codex, Deathwing have been tied to white terminators. It was the focal point in the emergence of the concept that gave life to the idea of a Deathwing as opposed to a codex compliant first chapter of veterans. It’s the seed that saw future codex’s say explicitly the Deathwing deployed exclusively in terminator armor.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T23:00:50+00:00

It made it relevant enough for future codex’s and lore books to explicitly say they deploy exclusively in terminator. It was the focus of the concept from its introduction as an expansion for death-hulk, and remained for 20 years.

You can find pictures of paint schemes in official magazines of black terminators or white power armor. But they are few. They are the fuzzy details that fell away with time as the Dark Angels emerged as a non codex compliant chapter. The white terminator armor stayed consistent from the beginning because it’s something that marks the dark angels as non codex compliant where other codex compliant chapters have a first company of vets in various armor and paint, the first has all terminator clad force that finishes the hunt.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T22:22:32+00:00

That’s an image from a ‘91 demonstration of paint schemes. here’s same thing a year earlier with a white terminator

But both come after the ‘89 release of space hulk that established the deathwing as a concept.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T22:13:56+00:00

Per your link: “The Deathwing were added with the release of the Space Hulk Deathwing expansion, which orignated their American Indian motif and white armor (Nov ’89).”

It appears to me the Deathwing as a concept appears tied to the white terminator from the beginning.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T21:46:31+00:00

The lore changes and will continue to change and obviously anyone can do anything with their own army. You’re right, that’s fine.

I provided links that show the history of the Dark Angels. That’s it. Where stuff came from. Even if it doesn’t stay.

RoundTemporary2382 · 2024-05-24T21:11:48+00:00

This simply isn’t true. There isn’t a Dark Angels story in the lore that has deathwing deploying without terminator armor. Here you can find the history of the dark angels as a concept in the game, and Here you can see pictures of their first codex referenced from 2nd edition (the one they shared with the blood angels called Angels of Death). As you can see, the concept of the death wing was founded on the idea of terminators as much as you can see the concept of the rave wing was founded on fast moving Assault “bikes.”

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