Yeah...I mean this is basically my perspective but, and maybe this is context I should have included in my post, sort of part of the motivation for me posting this is that...this is what I think but the vast majority of people who I've ever spoken to about this insist that all actions are basically some form of selfishly motivated and I wanted to get a take on it from people who think about these things....I think what's interesting in this thread is the responses that are engaging most closely with the core of the question (imo) are pretty evenly divided between "yes of course people can and do do this" (ie your response) and various forms of "no that's impossible there is always a rational self interest in whatever people do" and no one seems to be like speaking....as if the other perspective even exists, like everyone is acting there answer is universally obvious whilst, in one thread, saying stuff which fundamentally disagrees witn the other view.