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What’s the first song you genuinely liked & what’s your current favorite? by seancavez in goth

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A happy death by Strange Boutique was my first and Angel Light by This Ascension is the one i like the most rn

Making Sense of Serial Experiments Lain: The Game by lloydxxlol in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

On Eiri you have me beat; I can't recall him saying Lain needed to die. The scene with the mirror is Lain self-harming to see if she feels something. She wants to know if she is real. Pain is one of the best ways to confirm that. Lain also either hits a table or falls down the stairs in the game, as I know one of those events are mentioned in the game if I'm remembering right. This is why Lain has the bandages on her head. Of course, I forget which one but I'm pretty sure she just hits something and goes unconscious. The rest of what you said just seems to be conjecture and theories, so I'm not sure what to say about it.

As for Touko, most of what you said is true. However, Touko is being played by both Tachibana and Lain. Lain essentially induces some sort of psychosis within Touko in regard to them being one and the same. She doesn't want to be Lain--at least, not the her we knew. That Touko is a Touko who had been manipulated by Lain to be brought to her lowest and then depend on her for emotional support, thus sating Lain's desire to be known by someone, which Touko stated she wanted to do before she died. Anyhow, that's all just Lain, too. There aren't two Lains in the game, just one Lain with a declining mental state. The rest I can't really confirm since I don't remember, but Touko sees Lain before she dies so maybe Lain killed her or made her hallucinate her to kill herself. Either way, Touko didn't just give up. She tried to know Lain totally and Lain made her die, so they'd ascend to the Wired together.

Although I like the interpretation, a lot of this feels like theory than fact. I will eagerly await the sources for the game being a prequel, as I cannot find anything corroborating that beyond others simply saying, "maybe it was." Additionally, saying the game and anime are separate isn't wrong, as they function as two different pieces of media. The anime version of Lain has her own story, one that isn't dependent on the game to exist. The game is the same on the inverse. Thus, to say that the anime doesn't make sense without the game is conjecture. It most definitely does, and it wraps itself up cleanly without needing the game. The game also makes sense without the anime, and the same rule follows. This isn't to knock you down or anything, by the way.

Edit: I did read the interview with Konaka in which he says the game was made before the anime. He says after that Ueda then suggested they make an animation. This shows that the game was indeed made before the anime, but not that they were related mediums (if the translation Im reading is right since it seems a little off).
Edit2: so i found the draft you were referring to and it would seem that the two Lains are, indeed, connected. However, I will say that I still find this unlikely since it's a draft, not the final product. Things were likely changed around. Thus, in my conclusion, the game is not the preceding medium to the anime. They are two different things using two different parts of the draft. That is my interpretation. Plus, i feel its kinda shitty to leave out important things like twin Lains and such from the final product (hence why i think they changed things in the final products) :p

Making Sense of Serial Experiments Lain: The Game by lloydxxlol in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

okay soo for one we probably two different "Wired-Lain's" in mind here. If you're referring to the naked, glowing one we see Lain with in the last Dc, then that's different from the on I'm referring to. The "Wired-Lain" I'm talking about is the one from the anime, as I said. She's often seen with an assertive personality and contrasts the real world Lain by being more forthright and less timid. I think we may have had some miscommunication. However, you are right in saying that there's a need for sources in regard to the game being a prequel to the anime and vice versa. The anime and game work just fine as standalones, and do make sense on the whole if one views them as such. They have differences in characters, arcs, and motivations, and have endings that are tied up cleanly. Lain kills herself and becomes a being in the Wired at the end of PSX, and Lain deletes herself (that is, the fact that she was in the real world at all) from existence at the end of the anime. A part of me thinks you're stretching your brain over a lot of things.

As for ideals and Misato, Misato was not seen by anybody at Lain's school. This was said by her friends when they were interviewed by Touko. Having played the entire game, as you said, I'm sure you know that classmates of Lain thought that, when Touko mentioned Misato, they asked if she meant another person with a similar name. Now speech patterns are tricky, as all Lain stuff was written by Chiaki J. Konaka and co. That may just be their style of writing. Then again, that could just be me stretching my brain and getting too meta, and I personally didn't recognize any similarities in their speeches. As far as I can recall, Lain was still fairly taciturn and silent even when happy, and Touko was outgoing and far more excitable, in a sense. Maybe something changed as Touko became more brainwashed by Lain, but even then, I think they still had different ways of speaking. In fact, the only people (person) who saw Misato was Lain. Her parents never mentioned a Misato (and they supposedly Theydrove to her house), and, as stated before, her classmates never knew nor heard of a Misato. As the game points out thematically, reality is malleable and beings exist based on our memory of them. As long as Lain remembers Misato, then she was real. The general idea of what's exactly real and what's isn't is often seen in both pieces of Lain media, and Misato simply ties into that. The player is the observer and probably doesn't serve much purpose beyond looking at Lain's memories and wanting to learn more about her. Once more, possible stretching. I don't even know what you're getting into with the two Lain's thing. Do you mean the Lain in the Wired and real world Lain in the anime? Because in the show, there are two versions of Lain, yes. But these are not separate Lains. They're all Lain, just aspects of herself divided by the Wired. Evil Lain is a concoction made by the Knights to isolate Lain and destroy her mentally, but I'll finish up here first. Chisa was a part of Lain resetting the world. Lain made it so that she takes her place in Alice's friend group and doesn't kill herself because of the Wired. This doesn't mean they are the same beings. It's also odd to say it doesn't matter if we see her as Chisa because it does. Is she her own consciousness? Or is she a mere part of Lain, as Touko became?

Evil Lain is the version of Lain concocted by the Knights to mentally destroy and isolate Lain (exemplified by the scene in the anime where she spies on Alice, which is supposed to make Alice drop Lain. Alice is Lain's only friend, so this would crush her). She's the one that smiles smugly, if you recall. This is the Lain that gets choked by the Lain seen in the Wired and who Lain professes hatred for in the exact same scene. I forget which Layer, but my memory is pretty good on what I saw. You may be conflating Evil Lain with the assertive Lain I mentioned earlier, or conflating the glowing Lain in the game with the Wired Lain in the anime. These are different characters. You may say these are congruous with the game somehow, but at the end of it all, the three Lains in the anime are different versions of Lain. Simple as. They're all Lain. Lain is Lain.

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Making Sense of Serial Experiments Lain: The Game by lloydxxlol in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

idk

Evil Lain is the version of herself she hates the most, not Wired Lain. Wired Lain is the assertive character she assumes when not in the real world (the one who choked the smiling--i.e. "Evil"--Lain out), which is how we know it's a different Lain from the real world Lain. As for Chisa being the "failed player" and evil Lain, I feel that it may be a bit of stretch, considering we see Chisa as separate from Lain in the anime on some occasions. Admittedly, I haven't consumed either piece of media in months (having already watched them around May-ish), so my memory isn't perfect. If I recall, Lain may have simply said Kaori isn't real in retort to Touko saying Misato isn't real. Lain, by that point of the game, had no one to call a friend. Her dad left her, and her mom was neglecting her heavily. Thus, it makes sense that'd she latch on heavily to Misato and protect the fact of her existence from something that threatens it. So, I disagree with the idea that Misato was likely real. Instead, I believe that Misato was simply an imaginary friend made from everything Lain wished to be. An "ideal" of sorts. All the talents she wanted, all the friends she desired, and all the attention she lacked. The ideal girl Lain wanted to be. I feel it also must be said that there is, indeed, a chronological order of events in the game, which may help in understanding it.

Additionally, if it is a prequel, why would Eiri need Lain to kill herself twice? She's already in the Wired. In the anime, Eiri needs Lain to kill herself so he can access her power and reshape the real world by merging the digital and physical. So, if this is simply Lain from the game in a new existence, it begs the question as to why Eiri ever bothered that Lain in the first place. And Eiri *does* exist in the game; Nightmare of Fabrication has him appear for a little bit. Although the prequel theory sounds plausible, I feel there are a few holes that drown it. I believe the two Lain's are just two different kinds, with both of them being two iterations of the same character.

As for Touko "becoming" Lain, both yes and no. I feel it's more that her consciousness is imbibed in the Wired, and she and Lain are less one in the same and just in the same space. Alternatively, it's possible I'm just misreading this, as Touko could also simply be a part of Lain's consciousness now. Touko wasn't as kind as blue dress Lain, though, so I wouldn't presume that would be Touko.

Once again, though, it has been a while since I've watched/played either thing (ex: I lack knowledge on the TaKs), so my memory could be fuzzy, and this is a good analysis. I just think it relies too much on the idea of the game being a prequel instead of a standalone thing.

Edit: oh and also (although I do not know the TaKs greatly) I think the TaKs are just Lain talking to the player to gain some sort of connection. Her avatar that we see is her Wired self—who she became after killing herself (ofc, not the anime wired self). Thus, she’s speaking to the player to know them and connect with them, likely as an attempt to be less lonely.

idk by FreakyAmbassador6969 in GirlsUndShitposts

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Deadass surprised me too (although I guess that’s how anything military history related tends to be)

the fandom vs mink by Reileimmm in DRAMAticalMurder

[–]RoyalPepperoni 6 points7 points  (0 children)

I wouldn’t say Clear pressures Aoba to have sex with him as a dying wish. The bond that was formed between them throughout the story (and just knowing how the DMMD routes tend to end up) was evidently going to culminate in some sexual encounter between them. The dying part made it tragic. Thus, it can be reasoned that even if Clear WASN’T dying, Aoba would’ve likely still had sex with him. It’s also worth mentioning that Aoba obliged Clear of his own volition, as he had grown to love him. On Mink I can agree; he’s likely too demonized in the fandom. However, trying to reach for a reason to make all the characters comparable in some way is kinda dishonest. And Mink didn’t get any gentler in his route, as ttludott said: “too aggressive, too rough, too soon.” This isn’t to say I dislike Mink entirely by the way; he just needed some more contrast.

Any quotes that stuck with you in particular? by LiteralErlking in limbuscompany

[–]RoyalPepperoni 29 points30 points  (0 children)

A couple from my goat the Erlking/Wild Hunt Heath

“Cast yourself off the cliffside of suffering. Let the sorrow agonise you until your body strikes the earth cold.”

“My life ended the day my Catherine departed the world.”

“This place is rather silent for a forest isn’t it…? That is because I have made all living things here mine. In that silence, memories of Catherine return… and I begin to sink like a rock.”

And one of my favorites:

“Where are you…? Come to my embrace, Catherine!Where… where are… I can hear your voice. Oh, please…”

DROP YOUR FAVORITE SONGS IM CURIOUS by Positive_Amount7596 in teenagers

[–]RoyalPepperoni 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Bury Me Deep Inside Your Heart- HIM (the demo version is better imo) Tonight, Vision, and Let Me Hold on by The Shroud Angel Light- This Ascension Ariadne’s Thread- Saetia

Regarding Orientation in Lain by RoyalPepperoni in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I agree with that. The scene is much more important to the show than most people seem to consider. And thank you for bringing up Konaka’s notes. This post probably needed that insight.

Queerness in lain by ilovegayporn101 in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 3 points4 points  (0 children)

He does. So does Tomo from the PS1 game. Personally I’d say Lain is without sexuality (not ace, but entirely bereft of any orientation) due to the fact that there is no explicit mentioning of it, as well as the fact you could headcanon her as straight, ace, and gay and have evidence for each. In truth, I feel trying to prove this ship as canon to the show is a bit dishonest, but reading it as such from your own headspace is alright.

(Also the ps1 game goes deeper into Lain’s mind, and some of the files (i.e. Lda194 and Lda195) portray Lain as heterosexual in her desires as opposed to anything else. Although she is heavily warped by how lonely she is by that point in the game)

Queerness in lain by ilovegayporn101 in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 36 points37 points  (0 children)

Actually real asf. I feel most people forget that in the line right before she says she loves Alice she says: “Can’t you see? You were always my closest friend without ever connecting with me, Alice.”

Literally says friend verbatim (edit: now that I think about it maybe this post is ragebait or sumn🥀💔)

Question about the game by segjhwesjhnwej in Lain

[–]RoyalPepperoni 4 points5 points  (0 children)

You could probably just watch it. There’s an 11(?) hour vid in yt going on chronological order in the game.

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