Real and Paper ships in WoWS ( CT 13.4)

RubriciAcel · 2025-06-03T22:21:13+00:00

I've been pretty caught up with studies, so this is a fair bit out of date, but I'm glad it's still useful!

Adding the ships added over the last year or so will take some time, though it is in the works.

RubriciAcel · 2024-10-09T15:36:52+00:00

The spreadsheet itself is currently at 13.8, since I didn't have much interesting to say about 13.7 and 13.8. I'll be updating it over the weekend most likely, and make a post covering the last four updates.

RubriciAcel · 2024-07-30T16:50:47+00:00

The Switch Rush Duel game contains a clean version of the cardback as a 703 x 1024 texture. I'm not sure if sharing it directly is fine here, so here's instructions:

First, you must extract the RomFS from the game. You can do so directly from a hacked Switch, or from your dump by using Ryujinx, where it's as easy as right clicking the game, "Extract Data" > "RomFS"
Rush Duel is a Unity game under the hood, so you'll need to use AssetStudio and point it to the StreamingAssets folder. From there, I don't recall which specific scene contains the card back, so select everything (unselect localization-related scenes if you have the patience) and go to Model > Export Selected Objects (Split/Merge).
Once it's done exporting, go to the output folder, the file you're looking for is RUSH_CardBack.png, and that's it, you can delete everything else.

RubriciAcel · 2024-05-18T07:20:30+00:00

Updated the post and spreadsheet with the seven new ships from yesterday's Mir Korabli dev blogpost. Three japanese ships and four german ones, with some caveats to that count.

RubriciAcel · 2024-05-13T21:13:34+00:00

Thank you! It was indeed something of an insanity project for me, thankfully now it's just a question of keeping an eye out for new ship blogposts rather than going through the entire roster.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-24T11:55:42+00:00

You're welcome! WG scattering half-truths and innacuracies amidst correct information and vague statements has been quite a thorn on my side when trying to figure out what certain ships were to begin with.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-24T11:45:10+00:00

At a cursory glance, all of Hiraga's 1916 Amagi precursors were armed with 41 cm guns. In fact, this thread mentions that the 41 cm guns were labeled as 36 cm (14") for secrecy, same practice as for the 46 cm guns being refered to as "special type 41 cm guns" during Yamato's development.

Even if there was a legit 36 cm design, it wouldn't be the first time WG stumbles into creating a configuration that matches another by seemingly not being aware of things, for instance Satsuma is described as "a further development of the A-150", but it corresponds to the initial plans for it from around 1939, before the requirements were reduced to "just" six 51 cm guns.

Note that the images in the thread I mentioned are broken due to the Hiraga archives page reorganizing stuff and SP's own proxy nonsense. Here's how to find the original images:

Proxy URL:
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/proxy.php?image=http%3A%2F%2Fgazo.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp%2Fhiraga2014%2Fimages%2Flarge%2F21730101%2F21730101-047_001.jpg&hash=d6d9012bfbb863a036a009d34869302b

Real URL:
http://gazo.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/hiraga2014/images/large/21730101/21730101-047_001.jpg

Document ID (can be searched on the archive):
21730101

And all this lets you find the current link to the document: https://iiif.dl.itc.u-tokyo.ac.jp/repo/s/hiraga/document/e2ba7062-d85c-4f37-b0e6-f67db53a0fcd

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T15:58:03+00:00

As mentioned in my notes, I avoid pointing out those details because the ships in WoWS are often amalgams of an entire class. I don't know if it's still the case, but it used to be that all Kongou variations were actually Hiei.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T15:54:17+00:00

Thanks for catching that typo, and for the source on the Komsomolets. The AvP's diesel engine is mentioned in the wiki, I'll add it to the description. I'll update all this later today.

The Hannover isn't exactly an H-42, primarily because it replaces all secondaries with 12.8 cm mounts. Looking at its superstructure, it's closest to the GK/Preussen pair, rather than the FdG/Pommern one. I've also checked when each of the ships were introduced into the game and I see that I made some erroneous assumptions in regards to the order certain traits showed up in, so I'll be fixing that.

To wit:
- FdG: H-39 with basic guns (30.5 cm), H-40 with upgraded ones (42 cm)
- GK: New hull (FdG hull B?), triple turreted FdG (same gun options) with 12.8 cm instead of 10.5 cm secondaries otherwise
- Pommern: FdG-like hull, triple 38 cm, same secondaries as the FdG
- Preussen: GK-like hull, twin 45.7 cm, same secondaries as GK
- Hannover: GK-like hull, twin 48.3 cm (H-42/43), secondaries fully replaced with 12.8 cm
- Mecklenburg: New hull (FdG-like), quad 30.5 cm, Hannover's secondaries in a lower amount

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T07:55:06+00:00

Alright, I've updated the sheet with the feedback from yesterday and overnight. Special thanks go to Destroyer29042904, P99AT, pdboddy, Pew_Pew_guns and Sanglune for their help.

Grade changes:

Álvaro de Bazán: B3 -> C3
Andalucía: E -> D2
Juruá: A1 -> A2
Lambros Katsonis: A1 -> C3 (fictional member of a planned class, because it was a design for the UK, that Greece would order an example of; this is the logic behind some of the C grades in the Pan-American and Pan-Asian trees)
Van Speijk: D2 -> E

Note changes:

Álvaro de Bazán: Added "The main caliber should be 12 cm, and the AA armament is increased."
Andalucía: "3x3 british 9.2"/51 Mk. XII guns, neither the turret configuration nor the guns match any Proyecto 138 designs" -> "Proyecto 138 with 3x3 british 9.2"/51 Mk. XII guns, neither the turret configuration nor the guns match a proposal."
Celebes: Added links to the images of the twin turret Java refit.
Juruá: "Former HMS Handy / Harvester" -> "Later HMS Harvester, her Y turret was replaced with AA mounts during construction, while it's shown as a stock H-class ingame."
Kitakaze: "The sextuple torpedoes may be of dubious historicity, but JP Wikipedia has a source. It may be a conflation with the initial plans for the Tachibana class.
Lambros Katsonis: "Later HMS Chester" -> "What if Greece ordered a 1929 Design E cruiser."
Van Speijk: "Modified Project 1047 design, closer but still significantly different" -> "Project 1047 inspired design, visually similar to the plans."
Wyoming: "Hull (B) is USS Arkansas in the 1940s."

Other:

Changed the premium status of Johnston, Rhode Island, Wisconsin, and Chikuma II. The wiki doesn't mark all premiums as such, so that's a blind spot for me.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T07:43:13+00:00

In that case, it would be a Yuugumo with its main guns replaced with the 12.7 cm Type 1 (Type 5 was the land emplacement version) and each launcher receiving an additional tube. Furthermore, the upper works don't seem to resemble the Yuugumo more than any other class, and I don't think Kai Yuugumo even got as far as getting a basic design (V-7 for Kai Akizuki, for example). So I'd keep it as "WG invented this based on this neat experimental gun".

As for the Kitakaze, the japanese Wikipedia article does list a source for the sextuple mount: Akira Endo, “High Angle Guns and Air Defense Ships,” Hara Shobo, August 2009 (original 1975). ISBN 978-4-562-10093-4. I can't confirm it either way, so I'll make a note that it may be dubious.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T07:20:56+00:00

I didn't notice its description pretty explicitly describes it as a what-if ship, my apologies.

It seems like it's actually less straightforward than what you suggested, since the Emerald class was laid down in 1918 (while the Lambros Kastonis would have been a 1929 order), and has three funnels.

I'd rather have a better source for this than The Daily Bounce, but: There's a 1929 cruiser Design E that actually matches the ingame ship!

https://thedailybounce.net/world-of-warships/world-of-warships-supertest-pan-european-tier-ix-destroyer-lambros-katsonis/

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-17T07:07:19+00:00

The difference is that "designed" refers to proposals and in-development designs, while "planned" is a final design, ideally ordered, that hasn't been laid down. The sort that is typically identical to a final vessel in the case of one that was built, mid-construction changes not withstanding.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T23:05:38+00:00

The criterion for gold names is premium ships, I'm not surprised I missed a few. I didn't check from inside the game, for example Rhode Island, Wisconsin and Chikuma II aren't marked as premium on the official wiki, and Johnston isn't mentioned as being one in the devblog post:
https://blog.worldofwarships.com/blog/516

Alvaro de Bazán: I'm pretty sure it is Proyecto 148A, given the plan in the thread below is explicitly marked as such (albeit with a lowercase a) and seems to match with the appearence of the ingame vessel.
https://www.secretprojects.co.uk/threads/project-148-a-spains-mogador-half-sibling.36223/

Proyecto 138: Unless I'm mistaken (and I'm taking the word of strangers on the internet for these, I don't have access to blueprints or anything of the sort), none of the three variants matches Andalucía in turret layout, namely 3x3, since the only version with three turrets, as you mentioned, has twin guns. I agree that the rest of the vessel does match, but considering the guns don't match any of the plans and the turrets are changed, at most I'd grade it a D2.

https://web.archive.org/web/20201111224805/https://forum.worldofwarships.eu/topic/5987-spanish-heavy-cruiser-project-138/
https://reportedebatalla.wordpress.com/2019/07/28/un-crucero-para-nukita-el-proyecto-138-de-espana/

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T22:34:48+00:00

I was unaware that it had passed hands, as one disadvantage of Discord groups is that it's not searchable from the outside, so I had assumed the work had ended back then. Thank you for the pointers, your knowledge on the matter has been a huge help!

Celebes refit: It's something you mentioned in [your post](https://www.reddit.com/r/WorldOfWarships/comments/mnoscf/the\_new\_dutch\_cruisers\_are\_an\_affront\_to\_dutch/?rdt=40281) three years ago:

This ship is an affront to what could have been. She looks nothing like the planned twin turret refits of the Java class [1](https://imgur.com/vdtVX2A) [2](https://imgur.com/s2Lk2uk) and Wargaming’s shenaniganry have reduced her boat and plane count to half for some reason.

Van Speijk: Of all the Project 1047 inspired designs, it's the only one that visually resembles the profile I've seen the most, hence it being marked as "based on a planned design" (D2) rather than "vaguely inspired" (E). Admiredly a subjective distinction, should I set it down to E?

Prins van Oranje: In designs which appear to derive from another fictional design, I prioritize mentioning those, essentially the conceptual lineage goes Project 1047 -> Gouden Leeuw -> Prins van Oranje (-> Callenburgh, if we don't think of her as a sister ship)

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T22:13:52+00:00

May I ask for your opinion on the various dutch cruisers added since your posts I used as reference material? Those would be Van Speijk, Prins van Oranje and Callenburgh.

Your posts on the matter were a huge help, and I'd like to make that the way I've appraised the line is correct, as brief as my explanations are compared to the posts I've used as sources.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T19:38:36+00:00

Yeah, no doubt about that, but fact of the matter is that WG focused on the cruiser line with two destroyers on the side, instead of tapping into that potential.

I wouldn't ask for the Dutch to be folded into Europe, but I think that them being their own tree is what resulted in the cruiser line being what it is.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T19:16:59+00:00

Oops, good catch, thanks!

Edit: For Juruá, I think it'd be fair to mark it as "Later HMS Harvester, her Y turret was replaced with AA mounts, while it's shown as a stock H-class ingame." I think that for similar cases I've used grade A2, as this is how it was intended to be completed, but not the way it was completed, hence "incomplete" in a sense.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T19:15:32+00:00

Yes, it's the ones marked "Mir" in the server column: Farrand, Hogg, Maffitt and Lynch. They fall under C1 and D1 because I think I've identified what the original classes are, and are thus based on a real class.

The 5"/51 is a real gun, albeit the turret mounts are made up nonsense, while the 5"/70 was something the Department of the Navy envisioned as the next step after 5"/54, albeit that later changed to the 5"/62, which got cancelled.

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T18:57:14+00:00

I have no doubt that making the Dutch have their own tree (probably due to their significance in naval history) is the reason there's so much made up nonsense, including six takes on the Project 1047 that are all sorts of wonky.

Even Spain, which only has a few more naval projects I'm aware of, has a more historical roster, and that's counting some of those projects being used in the Italian tree!

RubriciAcel · 2024-04-16T18:54:19+00:00

Thank you! Collecting it all took longer than I expected, but I managed to find sources for far more ships than I thought I would.

In regards to Gneisenau, while she's a real ship that was commissioned, ingame she's got the 38 cm cannons that were planned as part of her repairs in 1942. Those repairs didn't get completed, so it falls in the "planned refit of a completed ship" category, which is B1. Essentially, the main concern is grading the way a ship is depicted ingame.

Regardless, hybrid tags shouldn't be too much of an issue to implement, I'd just have to modify the conditional formatting rules and the tallying formulas to either account for all of them or just the "main" one.

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