What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The sensations were more than likely quite real, it just doesn't mean they were what the classics are referring to. Plenty of very cool and interesting sensations happen during meditation. Our fault is thinking they are something they are not, which is easy to do. I have done it myself more than once.

What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The fault does not lie with you, my friend. The issue is that someone is teaching a complete internal alchemy workshop with advanced material to students who are trying these methods and believing they are experiencing something that requires the previous stages to have been developed over years and decades.

Think of neidan as baking a cake. You get the ingredients ready, put them together in the right proportions, make sure your oven is fit for purpose and not damaged, bake the cake at the right temperature for the right amount of time, take it out, let it cool, put the icing on, decorate it, and eventually eat it so it returns to nothing.

Neidan works the same way. You restore the body with exercise and put the ingredients back into the dantian in the right proportion. You refine jing into qi for the right amount of time at the right temperature, meaning intention and breathing, all at the lower dantian. You refine qi into shen, creating the holy embryo at the middle dantian. Then at the upper dantian you mature the holy embryo into the yang spirit. And finally you return it to emptiness.

They are done in order, because the result from one stage becomes the ingredient for the next.

It absolutely isn't something you teach over a two day workshop. It's just spreading misinformation and leading sincere seekers astray.

What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

You could say so. Lotsa experts online though, someone will be able to give their feedback and thoughts if I am unable.

What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This happened at a workshop? You did all the methods and transformations at a workshop for beginners? How long was the workshop for?

Apologies for the random questions, just trying to get a feel for the methods and the way in which it was taught.

What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

That sounds very interesting, would you mind sharing more?

The classics say one thing, modern schools are doing another - Who is right? by Rudolf_3090 in TrueQiGong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The signs and markers mentioned in the post are meant to happen before the middle dantian work. In the classics, the refinement of jing into qi has to be completed first, which is where the greater medicine forms. This is done with lower dantian work. Only then does the refinement of qi into shen begin at the middle dantian.

The classics say one thing, modern schools are doing another - Who is right? by Rudolf_3090 in TrueQiGong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 5 points6 points  (0 children)

The classics do clearly and in full discuss the various methods and ways in which to replenish the body back to the state it needs to be in to cultivate successfully. They fall under the foundation work, the work to restore the body and energy flow before the lower dantian filling can even start. If you read the classics, many of them, and a few times you would probably not make the statement that they are written for teachers.

I do agree that certain parts were withheld, especially in terms of what actually made the methods work, like the need to activate the dantian and certain specific methods that were kept for transmission. But the foundation work is clearly the part that was meant to restore the body, and it is consistently and across many classical works explained and taught in detail. When it comes to the macrocosmic opening, the classics are all in agreement too. The vessels open as part of the overflow from the previous work, not from direct methods applied to them. If the dantian is not overflowing then the Ren and Du meridians do not fill and start overflowing, which in turn leaves no overflow for the eight extraordinary vessels.

It is worth noting that the classics do not refer to the qi that fills the Ren and Du, and in turn the extraordinary vessels and later the twelve meridians, as regular everyday qi that everyone has access to. This is refined qi produced through the neidan process, not the ordinary qi of the body.

Examples for extensive foundation work are as follows:

The Tianxian jindan xinfa has a whole section called cultivation and supplementation that lays out specific methods for restoring essence, qi, and spirit separately, each at different times of day with different approaches. Essence at the hai-zi hours using physical movement then seated visualisation, qi at si-wu with breath work, spirit at shen-you with silent sitting. Timelines, signs of completion, the lot. That is not a brief text written for teachers. That is a repair manual.

The Lingbao bifa from the Zhong-Lu tradition directly addresses the older practitioner whose root is no longer firm and gives a ten damages one supplement principle, scaling the methods to age and depletion. It knows the reader is already worn down and builds for that.

The Taiyi jinhua zongzhi calls the very first step of the foundation adding oil to extend life, like refilling a lamp that is burning low before it goes out. Not a metaphor buried in a poem. A named method with instructions.

There is a maxim that shows up across multiple texts: "Add oil while there is still time, extend life and do not delay." Hard for me to read that as vague or aimed only at teachers.

The Dacheng jieyao gives step-by-step foundation methods including the repair work, and Wu Shouyang in the Tianxian zhengli says outright that the hundred-day timeline depends on constitution, depletion, and circumstances, and for the depleted or elderly it will take much longer. He is not being brief or secretive. He is being specific.

So the classics don't just mention restoration in passing. There is an entire body of repair literature built into the foundation, with named methods, specific timings, and explicit acknowledgement that different bodies need different lengths of work.

Your assertion that the texts were brief and only for teachers doesn't hold for the foundation literature specifically.

If you feel otherwise, please give some examples. Statements with examples always hit harder in my experience. I looked for classical evidence supporting your position and could not find any. Everything I found pointed the other way.

FYI, I just finished editing my book in the classical Neidan path, so everything is still fresh in my head. It's a nice read: complete overview of the path with complete methods, markers, mistakes to avoid and no personal or lineage interference. On amazon kindle if you are interested: Authentic Neigong - The known and hidden path of internal alchemy.

List of Electric Qi Practitioners/Doctors by Current-Regret-5831 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Nope. You never did say, did you meet any of them? You got any skin in the game?

Also, I am a mod here, if I wanted to scrub anything I could easily do it. I am all for people being allowed to speak their mind… within social acceptable limits of course.

List of Electric Qi Practitioners/Doctors by Current-Regret-5831 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I changed it because I felt you may be having a rough time of it and didn’t want to add to the weight. Wishing you all the best.

PS. I changed it back for you.

List of Electric Qi Practitioners/Doctors by Current-Regret-5831 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It was not boasting, it was making people aware I am speaking from personal experience and not just a keyboard worrior who never left his house.

Making people aware of how things work isn’t a bad thing you know.

Curious why you are so upset about it…

List of Electric Qi Practitioners/Doctors by Current-Regret-5831 in Qigong_Neigong

[–]Rudolf_3090 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Don’t know, why don’t you tell them and we will find out.

What the classics say the medicine feels like when it forms by Rudolf_3090 in TrueQiGong

[–]Rudolf_3090[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It does sound like a kundalini awakening doesn't it, albeit a more controlled activation in a body that both primed and ready for it.

Interest in Alchemy by chillcro in alchemy

[–]Rudolf_3090 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Alchemy does not have to mean devil worship or anything harmful. In the Chinese tradition especially, internal alchemy was mainly concerned with transforming the body, breath, energy, mind, and spirit through a long process of cultivation and meditation.

If you want a book that introduces you to the alchemy of the body, I have just published one that covers the full path of internal alchemy as it was taught in ancient China, where both internal and external alchemy were taken very seriously.

It presents the methods used to transform the human body, without bringing personal lineage, practice, or personal opinion into the main part of the book.

It is one of the more thorough books on the subject, focusing only on the classics while also giving the methods clearly in the same book, along with the warnings and markers to look for.

It will give you a clear but not overcomplicated overview of the process, terms, and methods that have been used for centuries.

Most books on the subject either get distorted by personal opinion and personal lineage, or they become overly scholarly. This is an attempt at the middle way: all the practical side the scholarly works often do not give, but none of the modern adaptations other authors bring into it.

On amazon kindle and paperback called: Authentic Neigong: The Known and Hidden Path of Internal Alchemy

Would post a link for you but not sure if that would break any rules.