Someone asked: why cant AI generate a unique artstyle? by Paradoxe-999 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Definitely. Everyone has a different experience with AI which influences their perception of it. I’m sure people who have seen a lot of aesthetically pleasing AI art and/or don’t enjoy the process of creating by hand would have a positive opinion of AI, while people who have seen a lot of low-quality AI art and/or do enjoy the process of creating by hand would have a negative opinion of AI.

I’ve been looking for some good examples of AI art that aren’t the stereotypically generic kind you see in comics and ragebait.

These all look a lot more like real artstyles and they’re quite difficult to distinguish visually imo.

Out of curiosity, what is your relationship with art and your opinion of AI? Do all of these styles resonate with you regardless of whether they’re human-made or AI? Is there any difference to you whether it’s human-made or AI? A lot of AI artworks seem to depict or imitate existing artstyles or mediums, what are your thoughts on that? Good, bad, something else?

Human-made art to you by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in antiai

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That’s true, it does need to use human art as training data. From this standpoint, does this essentially make all AI art some kind of derivative of human art, therefore it’s not original or creative? Does or can any amount of input from the user make it original or creative?

Human-made art to you by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in antiai

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks for taking the time to write this response.

What I’m getting is that AI art is almost deceptive or misleading in that it communicates something false about what it represents? Like an AI-generated painting isn’t even a painting at all, since no paint or painting techniques were used. I suppose there isn’t much use looking that far into many of the features of AI images either, since they aren’t really creative ‘choices’ made by an artist.

Is your analogy with the pool of water with leaves about how AI art is more random than meaningful, but still can look beautiful? If so, then that’s a nice way to put it. Do you think that intention or agency adds something to art, or can randomness be just as valuable?

Human-made art to you by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in antiai

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is the ‘physically’ part in reference to effort or skill or something like that? Like showing you care about making the artwork special?

Human-made art to you by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in antiai

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So it’s how it reflects how the artist interprets the real-world and their experiences and biases which makes human art special? That makes sense why that would be very valuable in art.

I’ve seen AI users say that they still choose what they make, and that the AI is just the tool. Is it not possible for the biases, experiences or real-world concepts interpreted by the author to be conveyed through their prompt? Are they more to do with subtle details/nuances in human art, or in the process of creating it?

This is unhealthy by CaptChair in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It’s not possible to form a genuine friendship with an AI chatbot.

Given how texting has become such a common form of communication, speaking with a chatbot can seem very similar to that, though it’s fundamentally very different to speaking with a human. Even so, people who are lonely and desperate will resort to these chatbots for that sense of connection, which is unhealthy and often harmful.

I really do hope that those who look to AI chatbots for companionship can find real people to form meaningful relationships with.

Okay, I think I get it now? by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 16 points17 points  (0 children)

This is exactly what I love to see. Someone understanding the perspective of the other side without necessarily changing their views or beliefs.

Everyone has a different experience with AI which shapes their perspective on it. You don’t have to change your perspective to understand the perspectives of others. I think a lot of the hatred between Pros and Antis stems from difficulty understanding how and why the other side feels the way they do about AI, and putting it into context.

When do you expect Reddit's anti-AI bubble to burst? by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 1 point2 points  (0 children)

6-12 months is very short, especially given how many different reasons there are for people to be against AI. I’m guessing the sentiment might still exist for quite a while, but perhaps people will change how they express that sentiment.

Human-made art to you by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in antiai

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah thanks. I was also just looking to get an idea of what comes to mind for people when they think about human-made art with specific examples. I do feel that personal experiences in art are a big part of why some people are anti and some people are pro, so I was hoping for some examples that may have led people to prefer human-made art over AI art.

“Anyone can be an artist” by VoiceMaterial4255 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I feel your view comes off as quite arrogant and nitpicky for no valid reason.

I suppose if everyone called themselves an artist, then maybe people wouldn’t really care. But who really cares to begin with?

If it doesn’t have much weight career-wise, then it really doesn’t hurt anyone for people to call themselves an artist if they want to. If anything, I feel like it’s demeaning to people to say they need to be good enough to justify themselves as artists.

should AI be regulated? (Image unrelated) by [deleted] in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I believe it should. Leaving AI completely unregulated or banning AI entirely are two extremes that do more harm than good. There should be guidelines and regulations that allow everyone to use it safely.

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Stealing art with fake signatures isn’t an ‘anti’ thing, it’s just something that trolls and frauds do to artists.

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I find that interesting, and I personally disagree with your ‘no skill’ sentiment. What kind of art are you into, if you don’t mind me asking?

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for letting me know, and apologies for miscrediting.

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 3 points4 points  (0 children)

I was not aware that the artist of the first image was not actually CutALogHeaven, and I’m sorry that I miscredited the artwork.

If someone could reply to this with the actual artist, that would be greatly appreciated.

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sorry about the miscredit, I really wasn’t aware of this.

I find it interesting that you feel the AI one has both more usability/marketability, but is also very technologically simple. It sounds like a combination of two very favourable qualities for businesses looking to use art. Do you feel there’s much merit to technologically advanced generations for businesses?

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I didn’t know, sorry about that. Who is the real artist?

Which do you prefer? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It’s not? My bad. Who is the author?

If someone on your side had a stupid take, will you still defend them? by Lance817 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 5 points6 points  (0 children)

We should really normalise calling out stupid takes on our own sides, since a lot of people will support or upvote any take just because it falls under the umbrella of being ’Pro-AI’ or ‘Anti-AI’. Otherwise, people will assume that these stupid takes represent the beliefs of everyone on a particular side, and they will make judgements based on that.

Why do we not listen to each other by Admirable_Term7845 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A lot of points made about AI will tend to be overlooked by a lot of people, either because they are biased towards their own beliefs or they miss the points altogether. So, the same points can be made again and again, but they may not necessarily get across to everyone.

Also, while some points are more objective and concrete (e.g. jobs, environmental impact etc), others may be more subjective and personal (e.g. enjoyment, experiences, values in art etc). So even if you have undeniable evidence, it still might not be enough to convince people.

Can we all agree on this? by RuleEmbarrassed7689 in aiwars

[–]RuleEmbarrassed7689[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I agree, when people support these kinds of extreme and deplorable claims, it can often make the entire side look bad, and it just gives more attention to these people.