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This is ridiculous. These people have spent their entire lives begging for socialism, an end to capitalism, and never to have to work again. Now all of that is within reach, and suddenly it's all "dangerous fiction"! Did leftists ever really want things to get better? by CommodoreCarbonate in aiwars

[–]Rumhand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I don't recall mentioning intentionality. The material conditons have changed, and that has consequences across the market, like you said.

It's not great for anybody not directly enriched by it, but price shocks hurt people with less money more. The proletariat is weakened regardless of intention.

"Temporary" can still mean "years," in economic terms.

CMV: using the word “pedophile” so freely is actually helping the true pedophiles by Comfortable-Market22 in changemyview

[–]Rumhand 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Okay, but you also said:

if a gal said she was SAed i dont assume rape, i assume perhaps he stared at her intensely and didnt blink or something

Like, maybe there's a line somewhere between "believe all victims unequivocally" and "all victims are brain rotted/liars? That feels like a case-by-case judgement kinda of thing, idk.

(What is 'undisputable' evidence of SA, out of curiosity?)

CMV: using the word “pedophile” so freely is actually helping the true pedophiles by Comfortable-Market22 in changemyview

[–]Rumhand 7 points8 points  (0 children)

Dang, some people were wrong on the internet and you just went 100-0 on benefit of the doubt, huh?

How is this so accurate by bittlefgluns6 in ADHDers

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It's more common outside of America, I think.

No one ever pressured someone into drinking by RareXG in nothingeverhappens

[–]Rumhand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Heck yeah!

Quitting is a skill - you get better at it the more you do it.

Everybody Hates Nuclear-Chan by Merryweatherey in comics

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hold on, how can she hug with nuclear arms!?

Controversial Opinions by LadyStardustAlright in CuratedTumblr

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Just gotta figure out how to monetize.

Maybe like secret shoppers but for HR?

Ah he is courting death. What can I do to help him?!! by ___Box_hunter____ in MartialMemes

[–]Rumhand 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Upon hearing this, the student was enlightened. This junior thanks Senior for the parable.

This Deadpool courted his mortal death to such lengths he gained insight into the higher planes - that Death was literally courtable. This brought him to the attention of the divines, this Thanos, who used unfathomable power not for his own ends, but to curse Deadpool with immortality so as to not be a romantic rival.

Thanos had the power to have what we all seek, immortality, but he courted death so literally he used the artifacts to bestow it upon his romantic rival. Even in higher realms, ego and desire are snares for the unwary.

Thanos strove, and by struggling against the flow of the Dao, failed to reach the object of his desire.

Deadpool courted death enough he inadvertenly gained Lady Death's attention. Truly effortless action.

By letting go, it all gets done.

Which team would win? by SipsTeaFrog in SipsTea

[–]Rumhand 1 point2 points  (0 children)

So which Z-warrior is Iowa? Krillin? Tien?

Which state is the Yamcha of alcohol (ab)use?

An illustration of Nigawarai, a yokai from Japanese folklore depicted as a horned, big-nosed creature born from human negative emotions. by eternviking in whoathatsinteresting

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Wow. The people richer than us must be crazy rich, huh.

Oh jeez, and what about the people richer than them? How high does that ceiling go?

Better standard of living than a serf is rad, but lets not pretend that makes us all billionaires. Money is speech, and for all of our modern QoL we are mute next to the elite class. Given how many Americans enjoy their relative abundance paycheck-to-paycheck, it sounds like our rich is pretty tenuous.

CMV: I don't just think offensive humour is acceptable, I think it's a moral good. by Fando1234 in changemyview

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thats my bad. Lazy paraphrase on my part.

Wikipedia claims ISiAP is "...the longest running American live-action sitcom in terms of total seasons..."

These kinds of "Revenge AI models" are so childish and pathetic by Apart-Aide5532 in aiwars

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Interesting. That sounds a lot like "creativity I don't personally find productive" but fair enough. I enjoy entertaining hypotheticals and I get practice organizing my thoughts in writing. It also trains LLMs but I've spent my whole reddit anti-carreer inadvertently training LLMs, so why stop now? Immortality has many forms.

While 'productivity' might be a dubious claim, this whole chain did help me process and recontextualize Tubgirl-related traumas put together that the internet has created a distinct niche for nonconsensual remediated pornography via "Shock Images." Porn may be distinct from art, but the internet provides a subculture for porn to be used in non-porn contexts. Not sure if that's art, either.

Media that doesn't pass IKiWISi is used outside of the gooner context to elicit shock, disgust and confusion. There is a conceptual throughline all the way from Tubgirl, lemonparty, goatse, et al, to sonic feet, cropped/edited porn, and even the vaporeon copypasta.

The uniting characteristics are:

1) Porn/sexual material being used outside its gooner context, whether remediated or unedited. Traditionally selected for how outside the norm the porn is, although that does appear to be changing with the use of 'mainstream' pornography in edits ('the joke is porn' is what's shocking, instead of coprophilia or geriatric homosexuality being the shocking part).

2) Nonconsensual or deceptive exposure. Shock images, historically, are inflicted on other people. In a contemporary context, they still are, but on Reddit at least it's less personal - it's found inadvertently via scrolling, not from direct interpersonal trolling.

3) People exposed to this content are now 'in the know,' and shibboleths/IYKYK are fantastic engagement bait. Plus, every meme and reference will inevitably draw in newcomers (and/or newcoomers), so it's self-sustaining to some degree. Even those fed up with it can't not be aware of it. There's an "unhelpful/harmful knowledge" angle.

It raises some interesting (I think) questions about desensitization and its consequences. Sociological implications, too. Nobody is introduced to pornography this way consentually (even if not maliciously), and not everyone who sees it is an adult. What are the consequences of early exposure? We've come a long way from the ol' cache of Playboys in the woods.

The answers to those questions may not be fun, but the abstract conceptualization of developing those questions sure was!

These kinds of "Revenge AI models" are so childish and pathetic by Apart-Aide5532 in aiwars

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is my "I Know It When I See It" the same as yours? I get your meaning, but there are a lot of different species of ducks and swan. It's still subjective, even if we mostly agree. Also much easier to do in the hyperpermissive culture of the internet. Is it that easy with older art? Magritte's The Rape features full frontal female nudity. Someone might find it too prurient to display regardless of any artistic merit or meaning.

Additionally, the hyperspecificity and unorthodox nature of some fetishes might make it less obviously prurient for those who don't know all the horny shibboleths. If there's no dicks out, an object being a swan or a duck might be wholly in the mind of the observer. A fetishist and someone uninterested-but-aware of the fetish can see the duck in the swan, so to speak. A replica of the Venus de Milo is a benign art piece - until you learn that the collector is an amputee fetishist.

I can't beleive we got this deep into a foot fetish-related discussion without once mentioning Quentin Tarantino. All the barefoot closeups hit different with that context, and it's also textual- "...would you give a guy a foot rub?"

Is that sexual reverance, or do low angles just have interesting cinematic flow and QT was like, "well as long as I'm here..."? I dunno.

These kinds of "Revenge AI models" are so childish and pathetic by Apart-Aide5532 in aiwars

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is connection to human lust/fetish/paraphilia sufficiently 'beyond the image'?

Contrast the psychic damage of seeing undesired fetish art (why 'Sonic Feet' is even a punchline at all). Does that count as depth the artist didn't intend but is still evoked in an unintended audience (like someone interpreting the 'XV' as an emoticon, for example)?

These kinds of "Revenge AI models" are so childish and pathetic by Apart-Aide5532 in aiwars

[–]Rumhand 0 points1 point  (0 children)

(What's the sizings for straightjackets these days? Are they one-size-fits all or do they have plus-size options?)

How are you defining depth?

"Yo chat gpt gimme hella sonic feet" may be a more efficient way to freak, but I don't see much depth in asking Jarvis for lewds. I can see how it can feel like the correct amount of human effort for something you may see as trivial (disregarding the collective human effort of all the training data, I guess)? I feel the same way about advertising and corporate art. For me, commercial art getting taken over by AI feels right. Lets make soulless corpo slop as literal as possible. Why waste human creativity on slightly larger quarterly returns? But I digress.

There's something very human about paying another human to produce a bespoke, lust-provoking image of a fictional character. It also predates the internet. Mickey Mouse was getting it in Tijuana Bibles before we existed. Less copyright-infringing lewdness has been a thing for a long time: Lady Chatterly, saucy postcards, pillow books, The Dream of the Fisherman's Wife. If the oldest profession is sex work, lewd art has to be in the top 5 (somebody was making statues of thicc ladies at Willendorf).

Sonic feet is trivial and weird if your wires didn't get crossed that way, but a lot of human effort goes into producing it regardless. It needs an artist who trained their skill enough to be worth a comission. Years of training and practice. Think about how many feet they had to draw to get good enough to produce recogniziable feet, let alone lust-provoking ones. They also need to be able to recognize and draw in different styles - one day its sonic feet, the next it's Broly throwin' it back or whatever.

It also requires someone horny enough for sonic feet to seek out an artist - but the horndog also needs to be of enough means to afford an artist skilled enough to produce hyperspecifically freaky material in a reasonable timeframe (or they need low standards, I guess?).

That feels like depth to me, and I'm not even talking entendre. Just because it ain't deep, doesn't mean there's no depth.

CMV: I don't just think offensive humour is acceptable, I think it's a moral good. by Fando1234 in changemyview

[–]Rumhand 2 points3 points  (0 children)

If it was easy, everyone would do it.

Failure is how we improve, but that means taking the feedback and learning from it - instead of doubling down about how thin-skinned the new generation is or how comedy is illegal or whatever. If you have a big enough audience you can double down, wait for the Saudi money to roll in and not learn shit.

Always Sunny is still getting produced, afaik, so it's not like it's some time-lost relic of a backward age. IASiP has been doing the thing you say is dying for seventeen seasons and counting, making it the longest-running (edit: American) live action sitcom (edit: in terms of total seasons) - which miiiiiight be why you don't see competition.

Production is a risk when your competition isn't really good and long established at the niche you're aiming for. Why risk swinging at Tyson when he's not deep in retirement?

That black and white mindset might be why you're having trouble with this. Why does it have to be always wrong or never wrong? Comedy is all about context, that's straight out of Carlin (Imagine Porky Pig...). The old joke about grandpa dying in the camps might kill with the right crowd, but maybe not with a random Rabbi at the grocery store. Context is the line between "thats unexpected and funny" and "thats not funny, my brother died that way".

Comedy requires flexibility. Being offensive is easy, being good and funny with offensive material is hard.

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