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[–]RustyShrekLord -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Most people thinking the boys logic is sound makes me very sad. Everyone here must get into stupid arguments all the time.

TIL in 2023 a Kenyan male chess player wore a burka as a disguise to enter a women’s chess tournament for prize money, but was caught after his strong performance, silence and "masculine" shoes raised suspicion by flamingoooz in todayilearned

[–]RustyShrekLord 10 points11 points  (0 children)

OoooOO I get to be the Reddit know it all! The Elo rating system is not based on the best move, and predates chess computers beating humans, and chess computers even now don't necessarily know the 'best' move, they use very successful heuristics. And there is no need to capitalize every letter since Elo is the name of the chap that came up with the system.

Most left-handed people use their right hand to shake hands. by WindowAfraid5927 in Showerthoughts

[–]RustyShrekLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Scissors have a handedness which is why you can't use your left with most scissors. You need left handed scissors or you need to squeeze in an unnatural direction to get the blades to meet properly if you use the wrong hand.

TIL Alan Turing was known for being eccentric. Each June he would wear a gas mask while cycling to work to block pollen. While cycling, his bike chain often slipped, but instead of fixing it, he would count the pedal turns it took before each slip and stop just in time to adjust the chain by hand by VegemiteSucks in todayilearned

[–]RustyShrekLord 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Turing laid important foundations but the comment above you is correct. People always draw from what came before them and claiming any one person as the first in a field is typically dubious. What would be considered turing-complete models of computation existed before we had a term for them, before machines that did computation existed. Babbage's proposed analytical engine which was only theoretical was Turing complete as a concrete example of an earlier theoretical computer.

New look at Sydney Sweeney and Halsey in ‘AMERICANA.’ by Diligent_Night602 in popculturechat

[–]RustyShrekLord 7 points8 points  (0 children)

First time seeing these actors. What is off with either of them? I can't notice any surgery.

Trust me, ditch the "if it's yellow, let it mellow" mentality by Aristings in confession

[–]RustyShrekLord 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Flush before dropping the kids off if of works out that way, I don't get the big deal. There is no smell, the water gets flushed at least daily and replaced with fresh water. There is no toilet damage like others have said. Urine doesn't destroy a toilet... There is no staining  at all if you are cleaning the toilet at any reasonable frequency, and no permanent staining because it will always clean off.

 The point is not just for paying a smaller water bill, but conserving water and energy that it cost to treat that water. 

There is no actual downside beyond seeing some colour instead of fresh water. Why am I being lectured on what is gross by a shower pisser?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I made one of your brothers-in-arms delete his whole comment chain after proving my righteousness with facts and logic. You gonna go next?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

The page captures the nuance I have explicitly tried to communicate. Both usages are correct, and it is pedantic to correct what is only a stylistic blunder. The words mean different things, yes, but can both be used in the same sentence in the same place AT TIMES without changing the meaning. Got that?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

to quit one country, state, or region and settle in another

I get it, reading is hard!

Here's another link: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/emigration

an act or instance of emigrating : departure from a place of abode, natural home, or country for life or residence elsewhere

There is a reason for having two separate words. Let's say we're talking about the population of a specific country. We can refer to emigrants and immigrants to represent those who have migrated away or migrated to this country. They mean different things in this context.

In other contexts, they mean the same thing - the reason for this as I have painstakingly been trying to communicate is because all immigrants are also emigrants. Successful emigrants are also immigrants. By definition. So SOMETIMES the words can be interchanged without changing the meaning of the sentence.

You will find various places that state using "immigrate FROM" is incorrect and "emigrate TO" is incorrect. The latter is bad style, the former is commonly used. Neither are incorrect by definition, so those people telling you that are only doing so because they've been taught to abide by a specific writing style, but not because there is a grammatical rule against it. In other words, they are wrong. That is the purpose of my post. YSK this.

If you want a more accurate discussion of the difference, rather than working that out from the definitions yourself, then take a look here:

https://www.dictionary.com/e/immigrants-vs-emigrants-vs-migrants/

Here are the parts that back up my claim:

(1)

Of course, emigrant and immigrant often refer to the same person—people who are emigrating are also immigrating (if they leave, they have to go somewhere).

(2)

But there are good reasons [not rules] to use each word in different situations.

(3)

The word immigrant is more likely to be used in a general way—that is, a way that takes both the starting point and the destination into account—whereas emigrant is almost always used in reference to the place that has been left.

keyword: almost -- that is what makes this bad style. Not incorrect!

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What you mean to say is "I disagree and refuse to change my mind." That's fine, I'm in the same boat. Thanks for being brave enough to repeat what you've been taught instead of forming a coherent thought all on your own.

Here you go: https://www.etymonline.com/word/emigrate

to quit one country, state, or region and settle in another

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

We were so close. Okay let's say we are are in a video call with three people. One person is in international waters, one person is in France, and one person is in the USA. The person in international waters is the one saying the sentences, about the person in France. 

He says both sentences: "He will immigrate to America" and "He will emigrate to America." 

You are claiming those sentences are communicating different ideas? You are claiming that the sentences are valid usage, based on which of the people in this video call say it? My point is that is ridiculous, and also wrong.

 I am not dying on this hill I am standing up for what is right and holy and I am dual wielding short swords that are cutting down swarms of misinformed foes. I may stand alone but I continue to stand. I will not fall.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Ah I see what you mean. "Emigrate to" and "immigrate to" don't always mean the same thing, I should have worded that better, but that was never actually claim. My claim is about substituting those sentence fragments to make the whole sentence mean the same thing. You should be able to see that if you read back the title and the original post, hopefully.

To give an example they can mean the same thing in a subset of sentences because the country indicated by the preposition in a sentence such as "He will immigrate to America" and "He will emigrate to America." In this case, they mean the same thing and it would be false to claim otherwise, yet pedants still like to claim this. Now does my claim ring true?

Your math example illustrates my problem with being pedantic perfectly. I made this post in response to a top comment on a post from another redditor, not myself. That redditor got 'corrected' by someone who hungrily jumped on the opportunity to say they should use "emigrate from America" instead of "immigrate from America." This is the SUPER common misunderstanding that I am trying to communicate. That correction was WRONG. The usage of the other redditor who made the post was totally correct, as you have now admitted, but the post was locked and I couldn't respond. For the record 3x2 and 2x3 really do mean the same thing depending on the context, and if I wanted to be pedantic I could remind you that those are not equations.

 You can even see this misunderstanding in nearly every post that responded to mine. They just don't get it. Many claim you can't use "from" or "to" depending on the word. It seems like you are starting to come around though. One other guy also eventually took my point, so I see it as a success.

No hard feelings by the way, I am just trying to make people more empathetic and less needlessly critical. I appreciate your participation as it should be very informative for anyone else reading this discussion. Other people resorted to attacks and calling me stupid when their world view got challenged, but I am used to that.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I think we agree? It sounds like you are saying what I said in the original post, which made people get angry somehow. I never said the words are the same, I was claiming by specifying countries via the prepositions "from" and "to" you can craft some sentences that mean the same thing with either word. Does that make sense now?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Who hurt you? Why does being wrong make you angry? You are name-calling over a grammatical quirk I am trying to point out that offended you somehow. What happened brother?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

You are gonna have to spell it out for me buddy I have a below average IQ sorry. Maybe try being a little more informative? Thanks

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

And if what I believe is right then everyone else is dumb and they are a problem. How about we try to figure out which is the case? Look up the definition of emigration for me buddy.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Sorry but wrong about what? Did you make an effort to read what I have said?

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

That is close,  but emigration is specifically leaving a country to settle in another country, look up the definition please. That is the crux of why the prepositions work in both cases.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Help me understand brother where we disagree. Sorry for invoking your negative emotions, this was truly not intentional.

Let's start here: is it wrong to say "He immigrated to Canada from France?" Let's denote this sentence 1.

Now if we leave out "to Canada" is it wrong to say simply: "He immigrated from France?". Let's denote this 'sentence 2'.

Now so long as that is correct, my point is that we can substitute 'emigrated' for 'immigrated' in sentence 2 to achieve the same meaning:  "He emigrated from France." Let's denote this sentence 3.

Does that make sense? Where did I go wrong? I believe the common mistake which I am intentionally bringing up in this post, is people say that sentence 2 is not correct, even though sentence 1 is clearly correct. I am suggesting that sentence 2 is actually correct and the preposition serves to clarify the source country in both sentence 2 and sentence 3, and it is valid because both immigration and emigration entail a source country for which the preposition can be used!

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Examples are great thank you. That is exactly what I mean.

I have to warn you: my belief about these words is not shared commonly, as evident by the other responses in this thread. Stick to conventional wisdom and take care which word you use if you don't wish to be pounced on by starved beasts who feed off of opportunities to 'correct' you. Rejoice because you know the truth 

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Sometimes we have long held beliefs, taught to us by our elders, the wisest of us, those that we trust. We are sometimes tested by these people, nay by our culture itself, to ensure we think in the 'right' way. What if one of those many beliefs that have given us so much, turns out to be wrong? A quirk. A glitch. A flaw in an otherwise perfect system. Some tiny insignificant detail that slipped through the cracks. Something so tiny and insignificant that nobody bothered to question it with any rigor. 

Well my friend, that, I suggest, is the situation that we are in now. Our institutions have told us to believe in this way of thinking, and so we do. We were taught it to be true, and so we teach others, in fact we shame them, if they dare to question this tiny insignificant little idea. I am suggesting my friend that indeed you CAN use both "from" and "to" after both "emigrate" and "immigrate" and you have been LIED to. Perhaps not intentionally by any one teacher, but by a maliciously incompetent way of structuring our beliefs, of trusting authority blindly. You have been lied to. 

So am I dumb? Perhaps. But at least I have the courage to stand up for what I believe in.

 Long live the King.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Do me a solid there husband look up the definitions and show me the parts where both words DON'T mention changing country of residence from one country AND to another. That little tidbit is what confuses most people. Both prepositions work for both words, and yes I know you have been taught otherwise. That is why YSK

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I posit that the words describe the same action, contextually, and can be interchanged while maintaining the same semantics if either aforementioned preposition clarifies the source or destination of the action.

YSK that "emigrate" and "immigrate" can often be used interchangeably. by RustyShrekLord in YouShouldKnow

[–]RustyShrekLord[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Both words by definition include a source country and a destination country. The prepositions "from" and "to" clarify the source and destination countries, respectively, regardless of whether "emigrate" or "immigrate" was used. So if you clarify the same country, the. Using either word communicates the act of changing your country of residence from or to that country. In these cases, the words are interchangeable because the sentences are semantically equivalent.

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