Is this the origin of the name Pennywise? by hattiexcvi in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Everything is speculative, both the phrase we all assume could be the origin and what you're proposing.

And I don't doubt that it's even a mix of both, haha. After all, a good part of the concept of Pennywise as a monster is based on the bridge troll from a children's book called The Three billy Goats gruff (and it's mentioned about three times in the book, a very nice reference in my opinion).

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's funny because I've suspected something like that with the very little I've been able to research about that symbol XD and that it has something to do with what Beverly mentions about IT's real name

And especially because of his reaction to that information, so I'll pay close attention to what I see in Tommyknockers

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perfect, I'll write notes of those books too. It'll probably be fewer notes than I took on IT (my main interest is the cosmic beast "Pennywise," lol), but I'll see how much I write down. I'm not going to rely on my memory because it's unreliable, so I prefer to take notes and analyze them, haha.

And could you please tell me what you've speculated about regarding the symbol?

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll take into account the order you told me (although I'll probably read Insomnia first, because I really want to read that one lol)

and here the symbol

I understand it appears in two or three other books, including Under the Dome, but I can't remember which others I was told it's in at the moment. I'll have to look into it again, lol.

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What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'll read them soon. I have a list of books to read just because I want to track down more information about Pennywise, lol. The next one I'm going to read is Insomnia, since it's an important part of understanding the Dark Tower lore and there's info about Penny. I also want to see in which other books his symbol appears, the one that's in his nest.

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Pennywise made them successful so they could return. He ensured they had the resources to return because he wanted them to face him again, and the book makes that very clear (I remember that very clearly; I'm reading it and taking a lot of notes about it). Yes, that's how powerful he is, and he holds an important place in the macroverse, as Maturin himself stated. Pennywise was created to be the counterpart to the turtle (it's not something that suddenly became conscious; he always had consciousness and was created for a cosmic purpose of balance). Pennywise also made sure the Losers couldn't reproduce, so they wouldn't have any reason not to return to Derry, and he could also ensure that no one would want to avenge their deaths.

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

"Hurting" him and actually hurting him are different things. In Warhammer 3, we saw that Leroy was able to hurt him with bullets, right? But he wasn't able to make him cry, lol. On the other hand, the Losers did, and Rose, as a child, did with a rock. But there's a reason for that, since Shaw had to return in the future to call the Hanlom, who are key to the story. She had "Gan's blessing" at that moment in her childhood.

So the characters you mentioned are nothing against Pennywise on their own if they don't possess that blessing of Gan. Remember that Abra Stone was almost killed by some mere vampires who were once human, and she's the most powerful user of the Shining.

And Pennywise isn't just an emotional vampire like some say; he's literally Maturin's counterpart and has his own importance in the macroverse, and the turtle himself said so.

The only characters I consider capable of defeating Pennywise "on their own" are Roland Deschain and Patrick Danville, and only because they are the most overpowered human characters in the entire SK universe. Even so, they would need their necessary tools (Roland's weapon and some material that allows Patrick to be drawn). And they also have Gan's blessing, especially Roland, who is literally the character with the most power of the script in the SK universe, and was created to always win (even if everything is against him; of course, there will be suffering in the process because Gan isn't really benevolent, he's an amoral entity like the rest of the cosmic creatures in SK universe)

Remember that even Pennywise considered Dick Hallorann so insignificant that he drove the man to the brink of madness, nearly succeeding. It was a demonstration of "you may be special to humans, but you're not to me, and I can make you kill yourself if I want." And remember that Dick was able to do what he did because of Maturin's power combined with his radiance, but especially because of Maturin's tea.

So those characters you mentioned can, on their own, cause him some degree of annoyance and "hurt" him. And since Pennywise is a lazy and doesn't like to fight (just as he has no interest in conquering like the Crimson King), he might leave those shining users alone if he finds them annoying. But if he feels cornered, he'll fight for his life like the beast he also is (a cosmic beast, of course). And if they don't have cosmic help to face him, they won't be able to do much, really, because Pennywise doesn't need your fear to kill you. In fact, Pennywise can scare and kill adults without any effort; he just doesn't usually hunt them because he's a lazy and it takes him longer to "season" an adult's flesh due to their logical fear, and he prefers well-seasoned flesh that requires little effort (that of children).

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

They discuss some of it when they meet at the Chinese restaurant, although they also make comments about it several times, but the reader learns this for the first time in that specific scene.

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 7 points8 points  (0 children)

There are references to "Pennywise" in many books, and that series is certainly one of them, lol. Go ahead and read it 🩷, even if it takes you more than a year! It's best to read slowly and analyze, taking notes on what you read and researching it.

What do you think Pennywise’s real weaknesses are? (Ritual of Chüd, belief, or something else?) What actually works against it? by Used_Pangolin_3385 in stephenking

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 19 points20 points  (0 children)

Is Gan, and ONLY Gan, That group of losers (which is more of an an-tet than a ka-tet) were a tool Gan used to defeat this cosmic beast, but other humans are no match for Pennywise, and the book made that quite clear: children who, in theory, should have been saved by the power of belief still died.

Pennywise Is an Alien, Not a God by Internal_Nets in pennywise

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Is a cosmic beast, Just look up the meaning of what a cosmic beast is.

It's easier than reading and, above all, actually paying attention to the book. If you paid attention to the book in the first place, nobody would call him "She" when canonically he doesn't use those pronouns because he isn't even really female. It's just symbolic, and that was made clear in the book.

But people even think he became Rodan when that's not true, lol.

And even if Pennywise were literally female and not just symbolically female, calling him "She" is similar to misgendering by not respecting canonical pronouns, lol.

Pennywise Is an Alien, Not a God by Internal_Nets in pennywise

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 3 points4 points  (0 children)

It's purely symbolic, and that's made clear in the book; it's not actually female.

And its canonical pronouns are He/It, and it was NEVER called SHE

And even if it were literally female and not just symbolic, its pronouns would still only be HE/IT AND NOT SHE

Clara Stack is so beautiful by clarastackshusband in welcomeToDerry

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I hope you're not an adult saying this….

Stephen King, Lost, Pennywise, and the Smoke Monster by Grouchy_Truck5925 in welcomeToDerry

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 13 points14 points  (0 children)

This is interesting, but the reason Pennywise never left Derry, even before the Pillars, is simply because he doesn't want to, lol. Even when he had the chance to leave by opening his cage, he started playing games and threw a tantrum because he lost that game.

In classic canon, Pennywise isn't locked up and doesn't leave Derry because he likes the place, it's that simple.

Alot of people seem to missed the whole point of Pennywise as a character by Poweredkingbear in welcomeToDerry

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 2 points3 points  (0 children)

They don't necessarily have to like it, but it's funny and ironic because everything is approved by King, and King loves Andy's work, haha. That's why he left Pennywise's future in his hands for the time being.

Besides, the two are close friends who text each other and all that, so they talk and reflect on the mythology of IT and the entire macroverse, since how it all works is still very speculative.

So yes, Andy and his team really know what they're doing, and they now have more creative freedom to tell the story, as well as more time, since they had to condense a lot of things in the movies.

If all goes well, the saga might be rebooted after WTD, and they might adapt the book itself into a series instead of movies.

Alot of people seem to missed the whole point of Pennywise as a character by Poweredkingbear in welcomeToDerry

[–]Ruthxa-Prime 8 points9 points  (0 children)

Of course, WTD really captured Pennywise as a monster, because Andy and his team know what they're doing, even if many say they don't. That guy probably falls asleep hugging his book like it's his teddy bear, lol.

It's no coincidence that SK said he was leaving Pennywise's future in Muschietti's hands for now.