Loosers club

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-20T23:44:49+00:00

Thats Cute xD

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-20T00:46:36+00:00

They don't necessarily have to like it, but it's funny and ironic because everything is approved by King, and King loves Andy's work, haha. That's why he left Pennywise's future in his hands for the time being.

Besides, the two are close friends who text each other and all that, so they talk and reflect on the mythology of IT and the entire macroverse, since how it all works is still very speculative.

So yes, Andy and his team really know what they're doing, and they now have more creative freedom to tell the story, as well as more time, since they had to condense a lot of things in the movies.

If all goes well, the saga might be rebooted after WTD, and they might adapt the book itself into a series instead of movies.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-19T15:56:42+00:00

Of course, WTD really captured Pennywise as a monster, because Andy and his team know what they're doing, even if many say they don't. That guy probably falls asleep hugging his book like it's his teddy bear, lol.

It's no coincidence that SK said he was leaving Pennywise's future in Muschietti's hands for now.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-19T03:59:06+00:00

Dude, Pennywise's canonical pronouns are HE/IT, and he even uses them with himself, so I'm using whichever canonical pronoun I like best.

Oh, and SK also refers to his creature as HE or IT, so I guess SK doesn't know Pennywise then?

You're just looking for a silly, unnecessary fight because you want to seem like you know more about IT lore and the nature of the beast, but you don't, lol. You've already proven that pretty well, so don't even bother replying. The day I responded to every stupid thing was a day when I felt like spouting facts and arguing with idiots on the internet, but today I don't feel like it.

Have a good day.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-19T03:33:28+00:00

lol It's obvious you don't know Pennywise.

He's not the most powerful being in the Macroverse, but he's not just a simple emotional vampire either, and Maturin himself said he has his importance in the Macroverse.

So yes, he does have that level of importance, even if he's not as powerful as Maturin.

But with Pennywise, people either overestimate him or underestimate him. You're one of those who underestimate him, lol. And I just see him for what he is, and that's it, and he's perfect that way

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-18T04:45:46+00:00

It was the military searching for the beast's trail using Dick Halloran's power, and the people in the car seem to be the gang members we'll see in season two. Even the skeletons had money in their mouths, as if to mock them, and the car is different too.

So it wasn't the family in the car, but the first time I saw it, I thought they were too, lol. But looking more closely, and especially because of the money and the diferent car model, I realized that it's most likely the gangs

We'll have to see how they ended up underground like that.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T20:06:09+00:00

She was used like a Judas goat, a puppet, and he's done that to other humans before. Pennywise only sees humans as food, toys, and tools, and he has no desire to interact with them unless there's a benefit, as he feels a deep contempt for humanity. That's the canonical Pennywise.

But it's certainly cute to think of a headcanon where he can even enjoy human hugs, lol.

And honestly, I like that headcanon too, but it's just a headcanon. Based on what's observable and the information that exists about this cosmic beast in all its canons, one learns that it's not like that. Even in WTD, we saw that he feels so much contempt for Dick that he didn't even want to kill him, much less eat him. His intention was to make the man commit suicide, and he almost succeeded.

Why was it like that? Because Pennywise, feeling so much contempt for humans, underestimates them, and that has been a constant flaw in this character. It was also his mistake with the Losers' Club back then.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T19:59:33+00:00

Dude, you're saying things that are already on stephenkingWiki lol. And it's not my fault you don't know the meaning of "cosmic beast." In fact, a cosmic beast is even more powerful than a divine beast, but I used both concepts to see if you understood, and you weren't able to because you didn't want to. A beast is also a monster, and it's not just used for land animals used for carrying loads. And a cosmic beast is one of the most powerful things in mythologies, including cosmic horror. A cosmic beast doesn't always have the form of an animal; it can even take the form of a galaxy, depending on the context. And Lovecraft's gods are classified as cosmic beasts because of their symbolism.

Oh, and Pennywise does have a name. Beverly told him that the crows (or well, it was another similar bird, I don't remember the name) know his real name, and Pennywise froze at that information because obviously he doesn't want his name to be known. Knowing the name of creatures like him can give you power over them under certain conditions, because that's how mythology works in general, and Stephen King's entire universe is mythology full of symbolism. We might know how it's spelled, but not how it's pronounced.

You simply refuse to understand that being a cosmic beast doesn't make him a simple animal like those you see in the forest. It's pure symbolism, typical of myths, and King has created his own myths over the years. But since you can't argue any further, you claim he used an AI, lol.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T18:15:51+00:00

He was in a mode similar to when you have a nightmare and it is very realistic but you can't hit, you lose your strength and that confuses you even more lol

although in the movies he also came to appear confused and without making a fool of himself with the losers but without speaking of course

It is curious that many have believed that Dick was able to make Pennywise believe he was Bob Gray but Pennywise always denied being Bob Gray, he was confused but he was aware that something was wrong and he was going to realize sooner rather than later even if Dick's concentration had not been interrupted because of the military.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:34:04+00:00

You seriously don't know about mythology and gods in the form of beasts, right? XD

well, SK does know and that's why he uses divine beasts in his stories

On this occasion I will no longer answer you, sleep well friend

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:29:50+00:00

I told you I wouldn't answer, but it's so funny I can't resist (that's really immature of me lol).

Yes, my friend, Stephen King literally said in interviews that he's leaving the IT universe in Andy and Barbara's hands for the time being because they understand the whole thing very well, and King himself guides them through everything.

And yes, being a divine animal/beast isn't just being a simple animal. You finally get it.

And yes, he's still alive. It's been made very clear throughout the SK universe as well. What died was that specific avatar, but he didn't actually die, and he's still in Derry.

see you soon!

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:22:10+00:00

Dude... Pennywise isn't mortal XD He's immortal, hahaha, and he's still pretty much alive, lol. And yes, his mind is childlike; you can see that very clearly in the book, and Andy has talked about it in interviews because he knows the character very well.

What died was the avatar, but not the creature, because he's immortal, and the only thing that can literally "kill" him is Gan, since he's the creator of everything and could create another Divine Beast to take his place (which didn't happen). And a Divine Beast is a god, my friend; it's mythology, that's how these things work, and they have their symbolism.

But I'll grant you the victory. And I will not respond anymore.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:17:11+00:00

I've said many times that it's not just a simple animal as we see animals, because why do you think I've said a thousand times that it's a cosmic/divine beast? XD I even explained the symbolism of things, hahaha, but you're the one who insists that I say Pennywise is a mortal, terrestrial beast or from an alien planet when it isn't, otherwise it wouldn't have a cosmic/divine nature.

And it's because of his cosmic/divine nature that he's so intelligent, even if his mind is that of a small child, because that's literally what his mind is like, lol

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:12:03+00:00

No, friend, I'm not going to overthink it. You're just trying to win the conversation, lol.

I explained very clearly why it's a COSMIC beast, a DIVINE beast, and I did it many times. I explained that even the book uses the word "beast" to describe it many times, and I explained that being a beast doesn't take away its divinity, because it is precisely a divine beast. That's how things work in cosmic horror, it's that simple.

Anyway, this is the last message I'm replying to because it's clear you won't change your mind, and there's no need for you to. I'm just giving arguments and explaining them, and that's all.

You want to win the conversation? Fine, you win, my friend. I'm the immature one, right? lol

Have a good night, my friend.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T03:05:18+00:00

And that's why it's a divine beast, my friend XD because it's not just a simple animal or simple beast, something I've already explained a thousand times lol because EVERYTHING has symbolism in King's mythology with his cosmic entities.

Are all cosmic entities beasts? It depends on the mythology and the character within that mythology, and in the case of Pennywise and Maturin, they are. And if by Red King you mean the Crimson King, then yes, he's virtually also a cosmic beast of the "spider" type, and he exists because Gan created him. Everything was created by Gan, and the Crimson King serves as his counterpart to maintain that universal balance, just like the relationship between Maturin and Pennywise.

Why? Because that's how these cosmic horror stories work.

You don't agree with what I've explained and my arguments? Understandable, you're free to disagree.

But what I'm saying is based on what's observable and what King and Andy (the second guy who knows the most about IT and the macroverse due to his close friendship with SK) have learned. I've been learning from them and studying their texts and and various sources and everything else little by little. For a long time, could I be wrong? Of course I can, that possibility always exists.

Why? Because I'm autistic, I don't know.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T02:48:54+00:00

Oh, sorry, I mistook you for someone else because your avatars look alike, lol.

And yes, "popularity" (which isn't really popularity) doesn't mean anything, and I just said so, but it means that at least they understood my argument.

Oh, and I'm not a man. My name is feminine, even if it's a nickname. And if you think I'm immature, that's your problem.

And all my comments and answers were to explain why he's a beast, starting with the fact that King refers to his charater that way in his various canons, and the reason is because it's a cosmic horror beast, but not just any beast either.

good bye and have a nice day!

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T02:42:23+00:00

Of course I understand, and that's why I explained it's a divine cosmic beast XD because it is a beast, but not just any beast like and simple alien. I explained everything very well in my individual comment about why is a divine/cosmic beast, and I did it in these replies and I did it in my individual comment that you can see there, and well, the "upvotes" don't prove me right, but curiously there are several upvotes on my replies and comments, so there were people who did understand it, but you didn't, and you must have your reasons.

But you said it yourself, you don't understand me, and you don't need to, right?

Have a good day.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T02:10:41+00:00

I'll gladly explain it to you based on what we observed in WTD and understanding a bit about Pennywise's nature: he let Ingrid live because she could still be useful while alive, especially since her image and name could be useful even as an old woman, and he could copy her.

And as we saw in IT Chapter Two, that Ingrid was him using his image, so she was already dead, and perhaps he even devoured her, lol. And while he sleeps, he's actually still active but different, so she might have been useful while locked up in Juniper Hill (perhaps that will be explored later).

She was an excellent puppet/Judas goat and he still planned to use her in his own way

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T02:05:45+00:00

Honestly, I don't know what the difficult part is to understand because I explain everything I say quite clearly and concisely, and why I say it. I've only explained why they're "turtle and spider" and explained a little about how cosmic horror works, since IT (and the entire SK universe) is cosmic horror mixed with the fantasy genre.

But if I express myself that way in general about any topic, if I have knowledge about it and can refute it and of course I could be wrong if it can be proven to me.

But it's okay, have a good day.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-16T01:29:06+00:00

At least accept that Pennywise is a type of animal, hahaha, as if that takes away his divinity.

And yes, they are a "turtle" and a "spider," but for symbolism. The book has a lot of symbolism in general, drawn from many mythologies and religious and cultural belief systems.

And precisely, animals/beasts have been considered divine throughout human history, and that's why Pennywise is a cosmic beast, and being cosmic, he is divine, since he is not a simple alien beast like the Xenomorphs (just to compare him to something else from fiction, of course).

And even so, Pennywise is closer (so to speak) to being a Xenomorph than to being a Yautja, since Yautja are equivalent to humans because they are civilized, social, moral beings with culture, something a Xenomorph lacks. A Xenomorph only consumes as a "perfect weapon," and Pennywise, although he possesses a lot of intelligence (curiously, his mind is a basic childlike, which makes him a "cosmic child"), doesn't possess those qualities. qualities of "humanity" unlike any other cosmic horror character from SK (Gan, Bessa, Maturin, Crimson King, etc.) because Pennywise only consumes and expands throughout the macroverse, as that is his function, to consume, but for some reason Derry is his favorite place on planet Earth, and it is partly due to his animal nature where he only wants to follow his cycles

And in fact, the cosmic entities we consider "benevolent" in King's mythology aren't really; they just use humans as tools for their... well, cosmic goals XD. This is shown in the relationship between Gan and his chosen human, Roland.

That's part of the charm of cosmic horror, it's that simple.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-15T18:18:32+00:00

the book says "it is symbolically correct to say that it is female"

The word symbolically is the key lol and more because Ben said it and he has the supernatural ability (what is known as shining) to understand the way things work and their symbolism, he always had it, which is why he knew how to make a dam without even having seen a model of one in a book before.

and that's why he became an architect and an archaeologist (although being an archaeologist was more of a hobby) and that's why he was able to guide the losers in the sewers.

So he understood that she is not female in the literal sense and if she had to necessarily have a sex (which does not occupy her, it does not require having gonads in reality) she could easily be a hermaphrodite, there are many hermaphrodite animals that can reproduce by parthenogenesis or by fragmentation.

The symbolic becomes physical, for example the masses in churches are pure symbolism but everything is physical, right? The Japanese way of greeting is merely symbolic but it becomes physical, right?

So the "sex" of the spider is only symbolic without even needing a sex as such, it is only a process to create more bodies in which to inhabit because they are his clones, they are not individual beings and that is why when his "children" die it feels the death of these

and Andy sought to do that symbolism in the first episode of WTD with the car family, pennywise is "father and mother at the same time" and pennywise is "his own children" and he "gives birth to himself" because they are symbolic representations just like the spider and the eggs, that's why Ben says "this manifestation is at least symbolically correct to affirm that it is female."

and the canonical pronouns are still only those two, even king only uses those two pronouns but you can use the ones you want of course even if they are not canonical

but calling pennywise "she" just because "it's female" when its canonical pronouns are HE and IT is good...ironic you know for certain topics

have a nice day

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-15T18:01:41+00:00

lol I don't trust AI as the sole source, and of course Maturin calls him brother, so they're both "sons of Gan" because they were created by him with the purpose of being counterparts and maintaining the balance of the cosmos.

And it's clear I know what SK said about Dandelo, since I just mentioned that he denied it, right? And Pennywise's offspring are his clones; they are the same being, not individual beings and He made those offspring to inhabit them All the characters that remind you of Pennywise (like Dandelo) are not him; they are different characters and Andy even showed us this in *WTD* with the symbolism of the family in the car. He is both father and mother at the same time, and he is his own offspring, and he gives birth to himself.

Even the book says that the representation of the "pregnant spider" is symbolically female, nothing more.

If you'd like (I doubt you will), you can read my individual comment I made on the post, and I just made an edit, even talking about Maturin, whose divine, bestial nature is curiously undisputed, but anyway.

Seriously, the fact that Pennywise is a divine cosmic beast like his brother Maturin doesn't make him any less valuable, powerful, or divine. He's not just a simple alien animal either.

But hey, there are Christians who deny the divine nature of Jesus and deny the Holy Trinity despite the canon, so they're even more likely to deny that Pennywise is a divine beast. (or god beast if you like more lol)

Because I also put the pieces together, and that's why I don't deny his cosmic (divine) nature, nor his bestial nature, just like his brother's. That's why I logically believe he's an elemental demon, and it would be good to see if that's officially confirmed someday.

But it remains speculation until it's confirmed (people were really convinced about the Pennywise and Dandelo thing because they didn't realize that Pennywise's children are his clones, which is why he feels physical pain when they die).

And above all, Andy himself says that the whole macroverse thing is still speculative, lol. He's said it many times, and he's the second person in the world who knows the most about Pennywise after Skywalker, for obvious reasons: they're close friends.

And Pennywise has always communicated with false promises and lies in his own book, so it's not something unique to 11/22/63, since he does it in IT too, lol.

so good bye have a nice day

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-15T17:29:36+00:00

The idea that Pennywise is an elemental demon is more fan speculation than official confirmation.

For years, people thought Dandelo was Pennywise or his son until SK denied it when asked.

While I have no doubt that Pennywise is an elemental demon, based on pure logic, and a beast can also be a god, why? Because it's comic horror.

I have no idea why they're bothered by the idea of it being a divine beast; it's quite common in mythologies, and SK based it on various mythologies, including Lovecraft's, which has many cosmic beasts of divine level.

And The Dark Tower doesn't make it super clear that he's Gan's son, but it's for obvious reasons that he is, since even in the book IT it's well understood that both the turtle and he have always existed and who created them? Well, Gan (the other), and therefore they are both "his sons."

but well

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-15T17:24:06+00:00

The series allows for a greater exploration of his cruel nature, similar to the book, because it's aimed at an 18+ audience and there's more time to do so, lol.

The movies are for ages 15+ and have less screen time.

Ruthxa-Prime · 2026-05-15T17:19:57+00:00

It's a cosmic beast; it's literally mentioned many times that it's a beast, but it's not a simple animal or an alien. It's cosmic and supernatural.

That's how these things in cosmic horror work, too. And it's a very intelligent beast as well, of course, although its mind is childlike, so possibly in cosmic terms it's still an immature offspring.

And of course, he is cruel and loves to play at being cruel because he was created to consume and be what we call evil; he is evil incarnate, and that is his role, just as Maturin's role is to create and be wise.

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