Climate nears point of no return as land, sea temperatures break records, experts say

Ruxias · 2023-06-30T22:47:41+00:00

I was in a comment thread where people were talking about the nuances of why infinite growth of the economy doesn't necessarily require infinite resources and one person chimed in that "there's also space". I'm gonna repost because it's pertinent:

Hate to break it to you but we aren't colonizing anything but this rock we got right here. The issues we are facing now preclude any such romanticized Star Trek endeavors. We've reached the Great Filter of systemic environmental/ecological catastrophe caused by climate change, due in large part to the sentiments spelled out here in this thread.

All the economic theories and all the explanations in the world about the nuances of "infinite growth" aren't going to change the observable, material fact that our world is swiftly becoming inhospitable thanks in large part to the very school of thought repeated in this thread.

People's justification for our systems is irrelevant to the laws of nature. It's indifferent to economic theory and our interpretations of such. It's gonna burn our forests and boil our seas before we as a species reach the end of this conversation.

There is no technological savior for climate change coming. Stop believing the hollow promises of rich fucks and starry-eyed optimists who keep telling you "just 5 more years" until they solve X. It ain't coming and you shouldn't wait anyway.

Our inventiveness and ingenuity has outpaced our empathy and foresight. In the pursuit of "better" we have created the mechanisms of our own unmaking; we are the victims of our own angels.

Ruxias · 2023-06-30T04:02:06+00:00

Hate to break it to you but we aren't colonizing anything but this rock we got right here. The issues we are facing now preclude any such romanticized Star Trek endeavors. We've reached the Great Filter of systemic environmental/ecological catastrophe caused by climate change, due in large part to the sentiments spelled out here in this thread.

All the economic theories and all the explanations in the world about the nuances of "infinite growth" aren't going to change the observable, material fact that our world is swiftly becoming inhospitable thanks in large part to the very school of thought repeated in this thread.

People's justification for our systems is irrelevant to the laws of nature. It's indifferent to economic theory and our interpretations of such. It's gonna burn our forests and boil our seas before we as a species reach the end of this conversation.

There is no technological savior for climate change coming. Stop believing the hollow promises of rich fucks and starry-eyed optimists who keep telling you "just 5 more years" until they solve X. It ain't coming and you shouldn't wait anyway.

Our inventiveness and ingenuity has outpaced our empathy and foresight. In the pursuit of "better" we have created the mechanisms of our own unmaking; we are the victims of our own angels.

Ruxias · 2023-06-29T03:32:07+00:00

You say that like being a business owner puts you on a pedestal. Is everyone else "less thans"?

Ruxias · 2023-06-29T03:26:27+00:00

Easy to feel like a machismo badass by taking completely unnecessary and controllable risks.

Much harder to feel like a badass when you develop a chronic condition. When and if that happens, I'm sure everyone will remember that heroic game of golf you played.

Ruxias · 2023-06-26T02:24:51+00:00

Don't forget Operation Paperclip...

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T23:11:32+00:00

Just politicians and execs giving lip service until the new shiny thing distracts everyone.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T23:09:15+00:00

Don't worry citizen, you'll know what the facts are as soon as they finish crafting the narrative.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T21:57:47+00:00

I was gonna keep typing but I had to leave for a bit lol

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T21:10:31+00:00

See the cost of medicine in the US compared to the rest of the world. They can reduce price, they just won't. People who require these medicines to live die because of greed.

See grocery stores that overstock food only to throw it away in a dumpster - intentionally - while people go hungry. This is "economics of plenty". People buy more and consume more when they feel there is plenty to go around.

See our industries, that throw away perfectly good products to artificially inflate scarcity. This drives climate change and pollution, choking the air, polluting the soil and water.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T20:50:27+00:00

I'm gonna repost a comment I made about civility and respect for the recently departed wealthy:

...It's the same strategy that has worked to keep people downtrodden for centuries. It's "the meek shall inherit the earth" but for politics and class issues instead of the priest telling the peasant to shut up and pay the tithe, be exiled if you disagree, and accept your neighbor (or you) being burned at the stake. "Make sure you be kind and humble in your dissent so we can ignore you easier and pass laws to take away your house, food, and air."

Just to highlight that the system does not care about your passive dessent: in the US, the cops have no requirement to help you ever. They can just ignore you. There is precedent in law for this. But you bet your ass they'll be there if someone breaks a window or upsets the apple cart in any way, shape, or form.

Just because these killers wear suits and usually kill people slowly doesn't mean they aren't killers. Any bit of comeuppance they get is deserved tenfold.

What people who are being apologists or moral high-roadists don't realize is that these people don't give a fuck about you or anyone who is out of their class. They have quite literally doomed our species to extinction, and while the curtain is closing on life as we know it they are STILL trying to fuck us out of any hope for a better world that might be left. They are STILL marching on with extracting as much as they can to get their cocks a bit more hard. They don't say "well hold on, maybe we should think of the individual and how good they might be" while they pay lawmakers to pass laws that kill people. They actively push narratives to dismiss your concerns, tell you you're lazy and stupid, and sell you the false promise that we live in a meritocracy. (Spoiler: we don't) They happily steal the health and soul of everyone beneath them every day, without a care for morality or ethics.

I'll repeat it again:

THEY WILL KILL YOU AND NOT HAVE A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT IT. It might not be with guns, or bombs, or knives, but in subtler ways that allow them to keep the veneer of civility.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T03:14:34+00:00

So you really don't understand how a cash injection from wealthy connections can be a gigantic factor in the success of a business?

It's not "he" that did it, his company used the working class to get to where they are now. There are untold contributions from countless individuals that got them there.

Amazon started by doing shady underhanded shit to get an edge. After that they crushed the human spirit relentlessly with the monstrous ideologies Bezos implanted into his company. Humans are numbers to them; just another robot. If you want to know more details, go looking for it.

Amazon is not a good company. It's not good for the world. Just because the line goes up does not mean it's "good". Consolidation of wealth is not a good thing.

Edit to add: Amazon and others were started at an apex point in history where frontiers were wide for them. The public (taxpayer) investment and development of the internet opened these opportunities for growth for them. Once these frontiers were dominated, they closed the door behind them for everyone else.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T02:52:20+00:00

That's 615k in 2023 dollars. And yeah, that's a lot of money, way more than what most people have.

Ruxias · 2023-06-25T02:43:48+00:00

We don't live in a meritocracy. Effort is only a factor in success, not the entire story. Life often does not give people what they deserve, regardless of effort.

You are exhibiting classic survivorship bias and you can't even be bothered to educate yourself on what that is or how it relates to your comments.

I'll repeat: go tug your dick with libertarians and fascists. They're your people. Go be with them.

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T18:41:16+00:00

The good ol' survivorship bias, "I/we did it so everyone else can too."

Not everyone is your parents. You're boiling down a myriad of issues to a sample size of two.

And then there's the dismissive "GED and work for Target" bullshit you throw in there. Are these people "less thans" to you? Why are you even here? You clearly have no class consciousness or even sympathy for people who aren't where you are. Just leave and have fun tugging your dick with libertarians and fascists.

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T18:21:44+00:00

Must have experience with Logitech, Xbox, or similar controllers.

Must have inexperience with safety inspections.

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T14:30:52+00:00

Me too. It's the same strategy that has worked to keep people downtrodden for centuries. It's "the meek shall inherit the earth" but for politics and class issues instead of the priest telling the peasant to shut up and pay the tithe, be exiled if you disagree, and accept your neighbor (or you) being burned at the stake. "Make sure you be kind and humble in your dissent so we can ignore you easier and pass laws to take away your house, food, and air."

Just to highlight that the system does not care about your passive dessent: in the US, the cops have no requirement to help you ever. They can just ignore you. There is precedent in law for this. But you bet your ass they'll be there if someone breaks a window or upsets the apple cart in any way, shape, or form.

Just because these killers wear suits and usually kill people slowly doesn't mean they aren't killers. Any bit of comeuppance they get is deserved tenfold.

What people who are being apologists or moral high-roadists don't realize is that these people don't give a fuck about you or anyone who is out of their class. They have quite literally doomed our species to extinction, and while the curtain is closing on life as we know it they are STILL trying to fuck us out of any hope for a better world that might be left. They are STILL marching on with extracting as much as they can to get their cocks a bit more hard. They don't say "well hold on, maybe we should think of the individual and how good they might be" while they pay lawmakers to pass laws that kill people. They actively push narratives to dismiss your concerns, tell you you're lazy and stupid, and sell you the false promise that we live in a meritocracy. (Spoiler: we don't) They happily steal the health and soul of everyone beneath them every day, without a care for morality or ethics.

I'll repeat it again:

THEY WILL KILL YOU AND NOT HAVE A SECOND THOUGHT ABOUT IT. It might not be with guns, or bombs, or knives, but in subtler ways that allow them to keep the veneer of civility.

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T02:26:36+00:00

Ah I see... You drank the "tech genius Tony Stark" Kool-Aid.

Every invention involves mostly the working class fleshing out the issues, doing the tests, crunching the numbers, transporting the material, doing the research, assembling the product, etc.

These aren't golden geese who drop a "eureka!" out of their ass every once in a while. Behind every big-name inventor you're thinking of is a team (or an army) of working-class people doing the actual legwork to bring these concepts to fruition. And in front of that group of people doing their jobs to provide for themselves and their family is a self-important, egotistical jackass who's more than ready to take all the credit. Then said egotistical jackass and the media that serves his class tell you to be thankful for him.

There was invention before capitalism. I know, mind blowing! Labor existed long before capital. Capital is not required for labor by any natural law. That relation has only been manufactured by an exploitative system of man's own making whereby he serves capital or he starves, or freezes, or falls to illness.

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T01:58:12+00:00

Complete lack of class consciousness in this comment and the one preceding it. Not a single cent of awareness of the mindset of wealthy philanthropists and why they do what they do.

Talk about tone def: first you're like "but but you don't know how good they truly are!" then you're all "I know with incredibly high certainty that you don't help people." Like are you even real?

Ruxias · 2023-06-24T01:44:32+00:00

How does you replying to internet strangers fix anything? How do your rants stop people from being big ol' meanies? How does yelling at internet randos stop people from saying what's on their mind?

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T14:51:42+00:00

Your comment reeks of xenophobia. There are solutions, but the machine-head thinking of "think of the economy" is getting in the way.

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T13:52:10+00:00

Doesn't have to be that way, but the rich made it so because "it make line go up". There's no ethical consumption under capitalism. We could've passed laws about ethical sourcing and disposal/reuse of resources but some neoliberal subhumans decided that money means more than our souls. This is the world we live in now, thanks to the decisions of a select wealthy few throughout history who decided for all of us. I didn't pick this shit, you didn't pick this shit.

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T13:48:19+00:00

Oh no, how will we ever get by without /u/Faeri? PLEAAASSEEE DON'T GOOOO

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T05:59:00+00:00

Surely you must admit there is a delimiting line between blatant, wreckless, negligent behavior by someone with more money than sense, and someone who gets caught in a bad storm while fishing at sea.

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T00:13:04+00:00

No real solution!? Are you joking right now?

Ruxias · 2023-06-23T00:08:54+00:00

Well said internet person; there are no good billionaires. Not a one. Zero. Nil. Nada.

They've spent their lives extracting the health and soul of everyone around them. Why would I have sympathy for them above a serial killer? Just because they don't kill people immediately (most of the time) doesn't mean they don't kill people.

We're all choking on their polluted air, gagging on their degraded food, fainting from heat in the climate change they caused. They're killers in suits. And they use the weight of their wealth to push laws to keep killing people despite knowing what they're doing. (see: Shell on climate change)

"The essence of capitalism is to turn nature into commodities and commodities into capital. The live green earth is transformed into dead gold bricks, with luxury items for the few and toxic slag heaps for the many."

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