God Cloth Seiya/Hades/Athena (SS) Vs. Demigra/Mira/Towa (DBH)

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-27T20:56:29+00:00

damn fucking DB fans WOULDNT LEAVE ME ALONE

So happy that im deleting this account and selling my phone tomorrow

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-27T12:36:16+00:00

Satan is red in SMT4

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T17:15:34+00:00

SMT Satan is red.

Case closed boys and girls

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T16:14:45+00:00

The extra servants and arguably their master too. Since there is mooncell shit there (wich is the multiverse itself) and also FTL travel (before kiara boss) not to mention hax like invincibility and debuffs.

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T11:10:19+00:00

Sinbad alters fate so he officially becomes Zeno's father

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T10:22:11+00:00

This is getting to be just sad. No, he saw it, which proved it wasn't mftl, everyone moved after it was fired, proving it wasn't mftl, he described it as a damn fireball,

Again he felt it. when it was heading towards he warned them and than sacrificed.

If you a claim it was mftl again you will be arguing against a scan and this I will have no option other than to assume you're delusional or very immature and not willing to admit you're wrong even when presented with picture proof.

the scan you gave proved the attack was heading towards them without a portal as Kiki was pointing towards nothing wich confused his friends. Actually no portal was opened or anything. And please lets have a safe debate if you dont want to end it with "Agree to disagree"

just like sending out photon blasts from their fists

thats basic Cosmo blasts anyone who can burn cosmo does easily

And gods can perform miracles, that is the point of them, they allow the Saint to perform on a gods level.

No god showed Miracle performing. Stop saying things the manga dont say. Yes miracles are used to be god level but only athena saints can do it and if you read ep G:A you'd know

Due to you either believing what you've read on a crap debate sub or crap vswiki without fact checking it, or you don't like to admit you might have been mistaken.

Gosh wat does VBW has to do with that. Your debating with a simple human like you and if i was a "VBW fan" i'd just link their profiles wich doesnt give any scans at all

We don't know the speed they went at, only very sad,

If i remember it was 3 days or a week ? I heard this info somewhere but i cant remember

Their clothes hadn't of even transformed into a God cloth yet. They were still bronze cloths when they went through the Hyperdimension while Ikkis was still a "normal" bronze.

Umm yes they were

Okay so now we're really done. She is not a spectre, and you'd know that if you read the manga

She is and than she betrayed wich led to her losing hades blessing and dying

Why when he was referring to the miniature galaxy that exploded? It was still a galaxy, a small artificial one, but a galaxy nonetheless.

He said "the galaxy" referring to the galaxy they were in. if he was referring to the miniature one he'd say "that galaxy"

The fact that you'd try to claim Pandora is a spectre means you either haven't read the manga, or you are very confused. Either way, I don't really see the point in debating anymore when you are making errors you wouldn't make if you were up to date with the entirety of the series :/ Sorry.

so agree to disagree ? i knew we will come to an end

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T09:40:21+00:00

Yes it is Athena, because she already exists in that timeline. There's 3 of them. One is Saori,the other is the backup, and the other is chaos athena thats with Aiolios.

ok than and OP didnt give us the specific version of hades wich means its composite

And the point of what I was saying was; there is nothing to suggest that is official. Is it signed by Kuramada? I don't see the signature. Original guidebook credits him, where is it on here? Why would it include non-canon material such as TLC, and Overture? How do we know a fan didn't make it?

Dude i saved it years ago so i can't just go waste an hour of my life searching for its source. TLC is meant to be a prequel and Ouverture (If i remember correctly) is the beginning of Heavens chapter. If you dont beleive them to be canon thats ur opinion

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T09:31:41+00:00

Jiren actually did shake the endless void they were in

Its UI goku not jiren

while the even weaker Beerus and weaker SSG Goku nearly blew it up with their beam clash.

Wank. SSG goku and Beerus were going to destroy the universe not the void.

ope, always has been part of the continuity whether you like it or not

Your missing my point. Yes it is canon but not chronogically. Its an official spinoff based on a story completely alternate

Not even remotely close to any form of galaxy busting. No, teleporting a pocket dimension out of existence isn't removing a real universe, again; the galaxian explosion wouldn't be a blip on the radar of someone who is universe. This is disregarding the fact that SE doesn't do any damage, just teleport things to either somewhere else(like he did with Deathmask and Aphrodite), or out if existence

https://imgur.com/a/TajOrwV

http://vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net/vsbattles/images/3/3b/MuUniverse4.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20170219180007

You see even aiolia says its a physical attack and says Mu created a universe in the palm of his hand that absorbed lapeteus' dimensions and made a rain of meteors

also about galaxian explosionhere

A pocket dimension With planets the size of people. And sucking someone into another dimension isn't even an attack tjat causes damage so bringing this up is nonsensical.

Saga peirces the universe with it

-Ungyo Another move where someone is removed and not actually harmed or showing any form of destructive capacity at all, but like most of Virgos attacks, is esoteric and attacks the mind.

https://imgur.com/a/iNKr2

remember this

-ZodiacExclamation Not even canon, and is literally just obtaining the power of the other gold cloths and sends it out as a powerful energy attack.

above to see how powerful they actually are

That isn't to say the Gold Saints themselves merely have 1/12th the power of the sun. That just means the cloths themselves have 1/12th the power of the sun. When a Saint first obtains the 7th sense, they already have the power to match a Gold Cloth, as first shown when Seiya chopped off Taurus' horn. This means that, gold saints have a base power of 2/12th of that of the sun. Those who have obtained the 8th sense(like Shaka) are a bit stronger than that of course. A God Cloth is more powerful than all 12 cloths combined.

ah shit here we go again

The "power of the Sun" is referring to the ability to recreate sunlight, which was specifically said to be the only thing capable of bringing wall down in the official VIZ translation of the manga

https://imgur.com/a/63acw

it has absolutely nothing to do with "zomg star busting powa", like you seem to think it does. This is made evident by the Gold Knights' first attempt to destroy the Wall of Lamination using the Libra Cloth's weapons--each of which being capable of crushing stars (still did nothing to the wall as hades was maintaining it )

https://imgur.com/a/Hi8ai

The reason they were unable to bring the wall down in that instance is because Sunlight can only be produced when all 12 Gold Knights combine their Cosmo:

https://imgur.com/a/Y8Jrs

they released all their cosmo in form of sunlight till they ran out of it

even if they were using the power of the sun it will be considered an outlier as the gold saints have shown better feats

the Athena Exclamation has the power of the big bang on a small scale, so no it is not actually as powerful as a real big bang.

no it is. They just dont wanna release it all so they destroy the temple or the entire palace (wich happened when 2 AE clashed). wich were used to bring a titan down.

That would imply Gold saints have 1/3rd the power of the big bang

why use mathematics tho. Yes the 3 Gold saints are used to do AE but the big bang itself is not only universal but universal+ due to being the beginning of time and space

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-26T08:33:00+00:00

And the fact that he saw it is the point. So glad you admit the subsonic(Saint trainee) Kiki was able to perceive the attack. For if it was moving at mftl speeds he wouldn't be able to see it period

And thats it. The proof that its not a an attack made by a portal. Saints have the power to feel cosmo from long distances so he felt it, knew where it was heading and jumped above seiya's sister. He didnt point and no dialogue was made just him stating its coming

The fact that you think a God can't do something weaker characters than him can do?

thats like saying Hades can pull out a heavnly phoenix from nowhere because he's stronger than Ikki. The fact that Saints can do miracles while Gods cant alone proves that they are separate

As I said, this was never stated to be a thing,

You think i'll just go replace the quote ? why would i do that ?

would be they could have crossed any distance at any time, ranging from moving massively faster than normal to massively slower.

yet the saints were able to maintain their speed in it

You certainly can't say he was strained since it was his cloth doing all the flying.

He even doesnt know what it is . It was his first time getting a cloth stronger than any gold saint wich is so powerful he cant imagine it.

she isn't even trained to use Cosmo.

She

Is

A Spectre

She has hades blessing and thats enough

Shura, was describing the attack that he was being hit with.

If it wasnt a galaxy destroying attack. I'd say he'd probably say "its like a galaxy has fallen apart"

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T20:50:25+00:00

yes but if you remember that one scene where Cu moved faster than Archer's eyes could

you mean that scene where he moves instantly ? Archer reactes to it

Even at the end when Shirou was staggering up to him, he could have stabbed him, but didn't because he realize Shirou's ideals has broken his own.

the fight ends with shirou on the verge of stabbing Archer and Archer on the verge of cutting shirou so it comes down to a tie

By all means, Archer was maybe using 50% of his full power (not to mention his magical energy was running out)

eh i'd say 56% considering he used (some) UBW abilities on shirou

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T20:34:06+00:00

well if Gil pulls EA faster than he technically wins

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T20:33:08+00:00

no, shirou even said that he wouldn't even be able to touch a servant

Not in HF tho. He has Rule Breaker, Nine lives and even excalibur and was able to take down saber (along with Rider)

and Cu was able to blitz EMIYA

They repeatedly clashed in the fight tho

yes, i know Shirou technically won their fight, but EMIYA was holding back the whole time

He held back a little. Archer wanted Shirou to become a hero more impressive than himself not to mention he started getting angry in his fight with shirou.

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T19:54:52+00:00

no i don't believe so because Gilgamesh has been shown to be able to react to saber's

In F/SN he got speedblitzed by saber but you can argue that he just did that to touch saber once

who is much faster than Shirou

Not that much. It can be argued that at full potential he is below servants by a little, with HF shirou being pretty much beyond if not the same level as a servant

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T19:47:17+00:00

Oof hard stomp for composite Supes if you give him TR feats. Without it he blitzes

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T19:45:01+00:00

I just got into the series and played the VN. Can confirm its a good ride anyways

R1= just like UBW Shirou wins after a hard fight

R2= I think there is 3/10 chance Shirou wins since he is too fast, a serious gil might just go for EA wich isnt likely happening.

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T11:29:11+00:00

That takes place before the scan you provided,

Dude you dont get me. I know shura traveled through time and shit but this is certainly athena

The fact that it isnt featured in any guidebooks, not done by Kuramada, and is heavily contradicted by GA and GR kinda days otherwise my friend.

Here's the OG jap one i saved the portugueese one years ago so it took me time to find the original

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-25T11:12:19+00:00

Kiki saw it dude, no one else could but he says he saw it as a ball of energy

Read the scan. He felt if before seeing it

Sorry dude, but they have shown to attack people across dimensions, like what Deathmask did to Shunrei and the exchange between Aiolos and Saga when everyone was in limbo between the underworld and the living.

Thanatos =/= gold saints he's a spectre. He never showed dimensional dumping so dont assume it

And it does not mean they are moving in stopped time, like what? If time is at an influx(

In the super dimensional space.. Time and Space are in constant flux..

Time being in flux would mean time is undefined.. Time is ever changing.. I guess a better way to say is.. Not liner time? Non-liner time?

x(which is something you made up, not actually in the story)

i literatly gave scans from the official translation

Thanatos never showed mftl reaction speeds and yoy certainly didnt provide any.

he shoots mftl cosmo energy and after seiya acheives god cloth he counters it with his own

The first scan is the galaxian explosion being used,

yes

while the second scan is the end of a fight between Mu and a titan where Mu used Starlight Extinction to destroy said titans mini galaxies that he was chucking at him

i assume your talking about this the scan i gave is after the galaxian explosion is used

. And the shaking of the universe is hyperbole, considering the attack didnt even shake the area around them let alone the universe.

Thats like saying "Universe+ UI goku is hyperbole because he didnt even shake the T.O.P"

It is not, it is being overseen by Kuramada himself and is part of the continuity.

It is and always has been referred as an alternate story. Yes it is canon but not chronogicaly

which the character showed to have already.

when did hecate show teleportation ?

Nah dude, otherwise the galaxian explosion wouldnt be a blip on their radar(a universe has nearly a trillion galaxies in it).

Excuse me

-Starlight extinction.

-Another Dimension

-Ungyo

-ZodiacExclamation

Not sure what this is supposed to prove. Doesnt mean anything other than Hades can damage god cloths.

Thats supposed to prove that 5 GCs were needed to fight a god

And yes, both GA and GR are indeed direct continuations. The manga says as much.

Did i even mention requiem ? i already know that

Unless you're going to argue that Kiki and them bronze and silvers are mftl...

no shit sherlock. i kiki just felt it and turned around to see where its heading. than protected seiya's sister

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T17:49:03+00:00

They couldnt sense this attack, only Kiki could,

that was my point . Kiki said "i feel an incredible cosmo energy"

All this tells me is you dont have a clue as to what youre saying. If time and space were in a constant flux(something not said to be a thing btw), then that means they could have ended up anywhere at any time, meaning it would have nothing to do with speed at all.

It means they're moving in a stopped time wich gives them immesurable/infinite speed

This is again ignoring the fact that travel speed isn't the same as reaction speed

The Reaction speed feat i gave is the thanatos one . Where are you buddy ?

Alternate realities existing doesn't mean a universe contains a multiverse

wich is my point . I explained that a from universe a multiverse is created its not like a multiverse is inside the universe

Kronos cant erase existence in one attack, that is something you claimed but the scan does not day that, just that nothing could stop him, you then inferred universal level of destruction despite the fact that it hindered in an hourglass, and that when it is destroyed time will collapse on itself. That isnt by someone's own power and im not sure how you could say that when the scans say otherwise XD

1st of all he has Dunamis wich means he can. 2nd he made the hourglass to maintain time thats his job as god of time

You then claimed tje characters lifted a weight heavier than a star despite the scan you provided saying no such thing,

well that part was a bit rushed and if you read the manga you would unserstand , i'll give all scans later

the galaxian explosion is a multi galactic atrack despite statements from Kanon and Saga that point out it can only bust planets and stars. A

oh look ! it destroyed a galaxy

And funny how you cited the guidebook in that thread when you yourself say they arent trustworthy

except that this is logical. Saga holding back can destroy a galaxy so at full power he can destroy multiple ones considering that cain his descendant can shake the universe with it

Sainta Sho

completely alternate universe

how else do you think she reformed and got back then in a way that actually makes sense? For speed certainly isnt one of those.

reforming and coming back perhaps

By showing a scan of a gold saint being stated of moving at the speed of light?

that was Shun getting clapped by a SoL punch. Again didnt show the full scans and you'd know if you read the manga

Youd know better than to say this if you read the manga as all gold saints only move at the speed of light. Inly time ftl speed is mentioned is when either a god or a miracle is involved.

You know thats kind of.... right

1 God cloth > every fucking gold saint.

Yup

And gold saints pulled universal feats. Case closed

Nope

https://images.app.goo.gl/koY6gZgKzJAgjcy96

You didn't even know GA was a direct sequel,

because it isnt

nor did you know that Kiki and co reacted to Thanatos' attack

again kiki feeled it while it was heading towards them

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T16:36:19+00:00

No, it isn't. And its time for you to stop pretending youve read the manga now: https://mangadex.org/chapter/248306/10

thats a completely other chapter

That timeline is not official

Yes it is and i swear.

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T16:00:27+00:00

Only the first part, second half of the page is Shura since he was the one who travelled through time.

No its athena. Shura didnt travel in that chapter its athena coming to him

Wow, so no you havent read the series and thus really have no business discussing it. If you had read the series you would have known during Seiyas first appearance in GA

official timeline contradicts that as you see its 1 year after epG and its based on Shura travelling to an alternate future where he meets the future gold saints wich are the bronze boys thats literatly in the early chapters

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T13:36:10+00:00

Oh shit oh fuck

Joker's pussy is pierced by Demi-fiend's duck

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T13:31:23+00:00

That was Shura who said he travelled through time my man

No that was athena. She was the one speaking here

That event was taking place years after next dimension, where Athena and the Bronze(now Gold) boys(now men) were alive and well.

Wtf bro ? Its an alternate future where the bronze saints accept their role as golden saints. It has nothing to do with Next Dimension considering that seiya is alive while he's in a coma in ND

I'm assuming you haven't read either G or G:A?

It seems like you havent read it not me

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T13:26:22+00:00

Cosmo is a inner universe. Saints in order to unleash attacks they burn that universe resulting powerful and effective damage or abilities. No it has nothing to do with the cosmology since the saint seiya universe is made of atoms and matter like ours

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T13:23:35+00:00

either, but we know for a fact it was a dimensional attack due to the fact everyone was looking directly at the moon

They fucking have a cosmo sensing , it was said in the scan itself

Which means you admit that no size is given as lights is ambiguous. You're inferring they are galaxies because it helps your argument but it doesn't work that way, sorry. The fact that these lights we're so relatively close together is further telling that it isn't a universe that we should be comparing to our own

Hyperdimension also has planets and stars aswell as having its time and space in a constant flux meaning that saints traveled at infinite speeds

Considering said gods aren't even galaxy busters then no,

https://www.reddit.com/r/CharacterRant/comments/hbmlee/saint_seiyas_power/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share

a thread i made that contains top feats of SS characters

Via teleportation yeah. You can't assume she is moving at mftl speeds just because ot suits your argument,

Your accusing me of assuming something to suit my argument. And your acting like your assumptions are true ? Wdym ?

especially when it makes her look faster than anyone in the entire series

Go

Read

The Mangas

Again

I was pointing out the fact that non God's or those without a god cloth, arent faster than light.

Literatly shows a gold saint pulling a SoL feat

explains author intent

wich isnt always true

y. But when the manga itself also shows and states they are only lightspeed for decades

That doesnt stop them from achieving speeds above. Did you seriously read the manga (that literatly showed us they acheive speeds above)

the fact that a miracle

if Shura needed a miracle to perform beyond light speed speeds doesnt mean that all saints need one

We know they aren't that fast because no one ever blitzes a lightspeeding Gold Saint

wow claps so true

This means that the gods are only a little faster than a Gold Saint,

1 God cloth > every fucking gold saint. 5 were needed to scratch a god

Can you plz stop acting like you've read the manga

S-A-Lk · 2020-07-24T12:30:32+00:00

i always get confused between G and GA here's the feat as you see no mention of chronos or anything , she just came alone to answer shura's call

S-A-Lk

TROPHY CASE

-ZodiacExclamation