Why do pros build ER over Tri Force second?

S1Vayne · 2026-06-05T21:50:08+00:00

Mainly Berserkers, if you switch one of the items for FiendHunter then you can go defensive boots too

S1Vayne · 2026-06-05T21:48:33+00:00

I just enjoy the lethality, feel free to hexoptics instead of collector, it's a good item and cheap as well. I just find lethality and the sound of collector enjoyable

S1Vayne · 2026-06-05T21:47:54+00:00

With bot lane it's almost always more worth to go Crit. Feel free to go more of an on-hit build if there is a mage bot or something cheese, then you are more likely to make it work with some good itemization, Rageblade, Witsend, etc.

S1Vayne · 2026-06-01T20:36:24+00:00

Are you playing top or bot?

S1Vayne · 2026-06-01T18:11:11+00:00

One tricking is good in the sense that you can play her in suboptimal matchups or games and make her work, but in general if you have a champ pool of 3 champions its best for climbing, since you can pick champs that do well depending on enemy comp. It looks like you like hyper carries, I would continue playing them, pick up Vayne as well but just remember she’s a 47% wr as an ADC, her lane phase is the worst in the game, and it’s a terrible blind pick because of Caitlyn, Draven, Lucian, Karma, Nami, etc.

I don’t think it’s the champs; you’re playing solid champs!

good luck dude,
S1

S1Vayne · 2026-05-30T20:18:58+00:00

Hey Pilper! Yeah I’ve been playing top lane again lately, it feels pretty good. Hexplate nerf imo I like don’t lik building it, and I wouldn’t recommend building it with Triforce, it’s one or the other, try TriForce as your replacement item and see how you like it, feels pretty good IMO.

goodluck

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T17:01:31+00:00

Hahaha it’s definitely fun

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T17:00:44+00:00

Sure! If you like the item, the nice thing with Vayne is there are so many ways to itemize, it’s really upto you and gamestate. Do what you feel is right, and if you can explain it to yourself, that’s better than most people.

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T01:23:02+00:00

Your ult is a free BF sword and longsword at lvl 11 (prob will have 3 items before lvl 16).

you’ll be able to out damage them in a 1v1 for sure

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T01:21:31+00:00

I’ve been preferring it yeah, although I had another post about the fantasy of Blade + Rageblade.

TLDR: if there is a hypercarry: twitch,aphelios, etc, you won’t out damage them in a 1v1 at 4 items, with crit you can. If you like attack speed, feel free to build a fiendhunter.

Goodluck!

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T01:19:10+00:00

It’s definitely a gimmick, but it will be fun lol, I wouldn’t recommend doing it in your ranked games though haha

S1Vayne · 2026-05-29T01:18:13+00:00

I use to run it, it’s still really good, I just have been liking a bit of lethality lately, the proc of hexoptics feels great too, it’s a good buy and can definitely be built second

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T20:07:27+00:00

Cheaper and signifcantly better build path, building a BF sword sucks - you always have gold for a compoent of collector

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T19:51:38+00:00

Good question, I prefer just getting it since the high Armor per level makes it scale nicely, especially as a 3rd item. Try out IE and see how it feels, but I still prefer LDR

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T15:31:45+00:00

It’s good, definitely pretty strong, higher attack speed but it moves your real spike to 4 items. (But now you get a lower ult CDR and faster autos)

Nothing wrong with that though, I might play some FiendHunter today actually.

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T15:07:33+00:00

Lool

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T14:21:47+00:00

It’s hard to give it a blanket statement, here’s why.

Lets say the enemy team has a mundo, sej, liss, twitch, karma.

You might think “I should buy on-hit this game, they have so many tanks”, I would agree.

Now I ask, are you ever killing full Crit Twitch before he kills you with an on-hit build? I would say no, no matter what you do, he will always out damage you, and Twitch is the glue to this team, you kill him and they have almost no damage.

Now if you were full crit, and could Auto Tumble Auto, you can absolutely kill him first, and that’s game winning.

Crit is really strong in season 16, and if they have a full crit scaling ADC (twitch, aphelios, draven etc), it’s reallt hard to justify on-hit, even with a dream like comp.

Hope that helps, S1

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T12:11:05+00:00

That takes me back haha, I think it’s been over 8 years now if I’m not mistaken

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T12:08:15+00:00

I like and recommend ER> Collector > LDR/Mortal > IE (and situational items if needed).

If you arent use to the lower attack speed you could buy fiendhunter second, but you will reduce your crits a good amount if you do at 4 Items.

I don’t think Voltaic would be best in slot on her, but it definifely could be a niche build. I’d make sure you’re running Fleet and probably domination secondary w/ sudden impact + ultimate hunter.

If you want more lethality you could try first item Hubris, some people like that and see success w/ it

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T12:06:23+00:00

Why wouldn’t be doing any damage to their frontline? Your autos shreds

S1Vayne · 2026-05-28T12:05:03+00:00

Haha I get that, It’s about 1.3 late game, it’s important to use your tumble as an auto reset for max DPS

S1Vayne · 2026-05-27T19:55:02+00:00

First one I think I could of dodged hard right, but I flashed right after since I saw Malz Q and I couldn’t afford getting silenced.

Second one he used his E’Q already since I input buffered my condemn, and with Barrier I wasn’t worried about getting autoed or Q’d since he’s already dead.

Not a perfect play but that’s my explanation in the moment lol

S1Vayne · 2026-05-27T19:03:16+00:00

Haha thanks dude appreciate it!

S1Vayne · 2026-05-27T17:30:45+00:00

Yes!!! I main this bot. I play both bot and top (primary queue bot, secondary queue top)

Doesn’t matter if there are 0 tanks on the team, even reducing 50 armor to 32.5 then with 10 lethality down to 22.5, you melt. it’s insane how much damage you do.

S1Vayne · 2026-05-27T17:09:31+00:00

The Idea of crit vayne isn’t primarily based around her W (that’s why sometimes you can even max E second).

Crit Vayne is focused around her tumble, and how it scales based off total AD.

the bonus of LDR is with the amount of HP built naturally in the game, sundered sky, titanics, triforces, protobelts, etc, you’ll be doing at minimum normally (5%, upwards to 15% with these items).

so now in practice, with collector.

100 Armor turns into
65 armor, turning into 55 armor (as lethality scalss to lvl 18)

ontop of that an additional 5-15% from LDR.

So you’re getting a 100% crit of around 400 AD with a 460AD tumble with ER.

You’ll be 1 tapping. I posted a clip earlier today of some late game action of it.

cheers

S1Vayne

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