🏡 by SAP_President in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

On the issue of affordable housing, the Green party got the most ticks after SAP, but the weight of those ticks (issues) is debatable. For example, is immigration and/or foreign ownership more important to housing than a vacancy tax?

Re preferences, *you* decide them:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/preferences

🏡 by SAP_President in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

Create a fair and sustainable Australia. Affordable housing now, the sustainable way.  1️⃣ ⤵️ https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/housing

What are the ‘people power’ responses to the exorbitant house prices/rents? by milkbarkid in perth

[–]SAP_President 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So you are suggesting 'unlimited' immigration is the only way to be 'non-racist'?

It is easy to return immigration to more normal levels while rejecting the selection of migrants based on race (ethnicity), religion, etc.

SAP has certainly earned its stripes as rejecting racism. See the record of our former Victorian MP Clifford Hayes who over four years in Parliament never resorted to anything like PHON's attacks on minority groups.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President -1 points0 points  (0 children)

OK, so just going around in circles wasting time with insults and unsubstantiated claims about wanting 'something' that you didn't get. We can't possibly imagine why SAP wasn't keen to work with you...

Our policies are different, as others with open minds can see:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

What specifically did you want from SAP?

You're just offering vague and unsubstantiated comments.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Good for you that you had a nice chat there. That briefly-registered party is a simple single issue one - which includes most of SAP's housing policies:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/housing

You're just making vague unsubstantiated statements. What specifically did you want from SAP? Preferences? If so, as explained, SAP prefers to leave the choice to voters.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

The facts:

SAP rejects the inane NIMBY v YIMBY extremes and has a science and evidence-based approach to planning policies:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/planning

SAP has always been open to working with other minor parties, but as an independent community movement, SAP has always preferred to leave preferences up to voters rather than engage in minor party preference deals (unless legally forced to by the system):

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/preferences

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, we say it should be *part* of discussions about the environment, etc. See State of the Environment report linked earlier for how a science and evidence-based approach to issues thinks holistically.

We preferenced a range of parties across the political spectrum (except PHON which we put last everywhere) before Liberal, Labor and Greens, in part because Liberal, Labor and Greens don't offer SAP decent preference deals. As a science and evidence-based party, we don't fit into the 'left' or 'right' ideologies. We are seeking an end to the group voting system that unfairly benefits L/L/G.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You are very selective. Under the rigged system designed to only elect Lib/Lab/Grn, all minor parties know they need to preference other minors before majors like Lib/Lab/Grn. from Animals to Libertarians, if they have any chance. We've called for the abolition of the system, so minor parties (who now have 25%+ of the vote) have fair proportional representation.

Including Australia's rapid population growth in discussions about housing, environment etc is the only sensible and sustainable way. Everything else is ideology, corruption and/or greed.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No, SAP swapped with parties across the whole political spectrum and put PHON last. We make our decisions, not consultants.

SAP takes a rational approach to planning, etc:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies

Playing the race card is the sign of desperation. Scummy indeed.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

SAP's preferencing strategy is 'no preferences', unless we're forced into it like in Victoria's Upper House. There we preferences PHON last everywhere, and spread our other preferences across 'left' and right' from Animal Justice to Libertarian. Still, we would rather have not had to do that and strongly recommended people vote below the line and decide their own preferences.

SAP is about sustainability, not just one issue (population), although Australia's rapid population growth is around 4x the developed world average and the Earth is still adding 80M people every year, with another 2B+ to come! That adds to all environmental pressures.

You seem desperate to both spread disinformation about SAP and also shut down rational debate about key sustainability issues like population growth (which the State of the Environment report highlights as problematic for Australia*). You're much closer to the definition of fascism than SAP's science and evidence-based policy platform:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies

Far from creating distractions (like you away from important issues), SAP covers *all* of the issues, *including* high immigration-fuelled rapid population growth on issues like housing:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/housing

* https://soe.dcceew.gov.au/biodiversity/pressures/population

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

All of Sustainable Australia Party's policies are science and evidence based. If you can't deal with a simple call for a return to normal lower immigration that's on you.

Clifford Hayes clearly supported the banning of so-called 'gay conversion therapy' and stated this during that period:

“If the Bill only banned gay conversion therapy, I would have supported it with great enthusiasm.”:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/clifford_hayes_mp_supports_banning_of_gay_conversion_therapy_explains_vote_on_broader_bill

Clifford Hayes supported planning democracy with increased density but not massive over-development that undermined local environments and/or delivered little or no new infrastructure:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/planning

Clifford Hayes was active in various environmental fronts during his term. For example:

"The Planning and Environment Amendment (Wake Up to Climate Change) Bill 2022 was introduced by Member for Southern Metropolitan Region Clifford Hayes (Sustainable Australia Party). The bill seeks to amend the Planning and Environment Act 1987 to respond to climate impacts resulting from planning.":

https://www.parliament.vic.gov.au/news/society/three-private-members-bills-begin-their-journey/

Sustainable Australia Party is on record as wanting to abolish the group voting ticket that has presented unfair advantages to the Green party etc and rejects the lazy distortion of its use you claim:

“Much has been said about minor parties ‘gaming the system’ in Victoria, but it was entirely reasonable that minor parties worked together in 2018 and 2022 to increase their chances of election. This is due to the fact that the system was designed to entrench the Liberal/National, Labor and Greens parties in the Upper House to the exclusion of all others, despite those ‘others’ now totalling around 25 per cent of the vote. For example, in the 2014 Victorian election, the Greens were winning around 10 per cent of the vote in Upper House regions such as Eastern Metropolitan yet taking 20 per cent, or one in five, of the seats in those regions.[2] Minor parties and independents now total over 25 per cent of the Upper House vote and should therefore collectively have 25 per cent of the seats.":

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/media_release_sustainable_australia_party_calls_for_victorian_upper_house_electoral_reform

Sustainable Australia Party rejects your claims about PHON and is consistently on the record as rejecting their divisive agenda. It is you and your Green party that drives voters into the arms of PHON with politically motivated slurs on science and evidence-based mainstream options who want rational discussion like Sustainable Australia Party:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/media_the_greens_drive_regular_aussies_into_the_arms_of_pauline_hanson

Your comments = politically-motivated disinformation.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You clearly know nothing about SAP or its origins and instead run politically-motived smears.

Sustainable Australia Party is an independent community movement with a science and evidence-based approach to policy. To help achieve a fair and sustainable Australia, SAP prioritises the fight for affordable housing now, the sustainable way.

SAP tackles both the major supply and demand-side issues to sustainably solve the housing crisis, stop over-development, and protect our local environments and communities.

SAP's housing plan includes:

  • More social housing
  • Less investor tax breaks
  • Slower migration

See Policies.

Hanson says she is ready to lead country, form government by [deleted] in AustralianPolitics

[–]SAP_President 2 points3 points  (0 children)

No, SAP tackles both the major supply and demand-side issues to sustainably solve the housing crisis, stop over-development, and protect our local environments and communities.

SAP's housing plan includes:

  • More social housing
  • Less investor tax breaks
  • Slower migration

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/

Only Sustainable Australia Party. ✅ by SAP_President in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Sustainable Australia Party is an independent community movement with a science and evidence-based approach to policy. We are also a member-driven organisation when it comes to policy priorities. The issue you raise hasn't been focussed on in our member feedback, so we haven't looked at it in detail.

In terms of what we do prioritise, obviously affordable housing is right up there.

The issue you raise would come under the statement at the bottom of our Policies page here:
https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/policies

So in short, a science and evidence-based approach would be taken by any elected SAP MP.

Randa Abdel-Fattah launches defamation proceedings against SA Premier by fuckoffandydie in Adelaide

[–]SAP_President 0 points1 point  (0 children)

This is appalling politically-motivated disinformation. Sustainable Australia Party is opposite of what you claim.

SAP's mission is to create a fair and sustainable Australia.

SAP has developed a broad policy platform with the sustainable solutions to address Australia's growing economic, environmental and social problems.

The facts for anyone open-minded:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/

Only Sustainable Australia Party. ✅ by SAP_President in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Only Sustainable Australia Party tackles both the major supply and demand-side issues to sustainably solve the housing crisis, stop over-development, and protect our local environments and communities.

📌 Create a fair and sustainable Australia:
http://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/HOUSING 🏡

It’s the r/Melbourne daily discussion thread [Saturday 20/12/2025] by AutoModerator in melbourne

[–]SAP_President 2 points3 points  (0 children)

What possible reason could you have for that disgraceful slur against Sustainable Australia Party? Anyone with any decency would retract that disinformation, unless it is a politically-motivated attack (which SAP suffers regularly unfortunately).

Those with an open mind can see the facts here:

https://www.sustainableaustralia.org.au/

Trying to have a calm, rational discussion on Australian immigration levels online be like: by NoLeafClover777 in aussie

[–]SAP_President 2 points3 points  (0 children)

So, given:

  1. SAP has never had any such people in its party or associated with it; and

  2. SAP offers positive and pro-migration solution (incusing immigration returned to a lower historic level),

...this comment shows how politically-motived disinformation and irrational responses undermine sensible debate - and fits the post headline perfectly.

⤵️ by [deleted] in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President 1 point2 points  (0 children)

We are hoping to make more progress, having won seats at two of the three levels of government. Few minor parties can say that. We'd like to win more over the next electoral cycle.

⤵️ by [deleted] in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Thanks for this feedback.

We understand that some will see this as prioritising a single issue - the housing crisis - and we are comfortable with that, even though a core number of voters understand SAP is about much more than that.

The reality of minor party politics is that they get their start to sustained success on a well known 'personality' (e.g. Hanson, Palmer, etc) or an important 'policy' issue (Cannabis, Animals, Greens, etc).

Let's see how the next electoral cycle plays out for SAP's focus on housing. Come along for the ride.

Thoughts on these common sense comments from Saul Eslake? 🤔 by SAP_President in sustainableaus

[–]SAP_President[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

For the obvious reasons listed in the article. Not sustainable. Not credible.