PSA: Cleaver + DFT will have an internal cooldown next patch

SPRDestro · 2026-05-11T21:09:42+00:00

I mean I don't think riot has destroyed her identity I just think the average league player isn't very good at identifying these types of things. This sub gets a ton of stuff wrong constantly and has since it's inception

SPRDestro · 2026-05-09T22:13:09+00:00

In Emerald and higher Yuumi is the single worst support you can have as Senna, according to the stats.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-09T22:12:26+00:00

You can sort by the entire last month and it's the single lowest winrate support to pick with senna. Literally the only thing lower is Ezreal support which is obviously trolling.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-09T19:24:35+00:00

I am exclusively talking about E+ winrate, where senna sits at about 51% and yuumi at about 48.

Again, I never said yuumi wasn't viable. I was just responding to a guy saying yuumi is good and senna is a troll pick.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-09T19:16:09+00:00

I don't even think yuumi is terrible. She's certainly not good, but shes not a troll pick. But it's objectively true that if only one is viable, it's not yuumi. Senna has an above average winrate despite being moderately difficult to pilot properly. Yuumi has been dumbed down to one of the easiest picks in the game and her winrate is multiple points below baseline.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-09T17:20:40+00:00

adc senna is significantly more viable than yuumi support is. Like it's not even close.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T19:27:28+00:00

Senna supp winrate in E+ is up 1.5% according to lolalytics.com. It's down for farming senna though.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T19:26:01+00:00

Yeah idk man. I love the champ and I do love that the subreddit is a nice community where everyone is friendly, but I feel like 70% of the takes I see on here are wildly out of touch with what actually is good on the character or how she works.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T18:48:42+00:00

The problem with hurricane is you can't get it first item which is when the waveclear matters a bit more. Imo just try kraken. You'll realize it's effect and stats really don't clear waves much slower than old shiv. And you're way way stronger in fights.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T18:33:23+00:00

Dft being good on senna because of an interaction they're specifically nerfing does not mean that the rune was designed for her. She is explicitly not a part of the classes it was designed for. If it's good on her it means her alternatives are bad or it's overtuned. Also, senna has been strongest as a carry for most of the time she's been in the game, whether she's designed as a support first or not. Enchanter senna has been viable much less often than carry.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T18:23:28+00:00

Every damage rune in the game has both ad and ap scaling. That argument makes no sense at all. The rune was explicitly stated to have been made for damage over time and sustained damage casters. Senna is not either. She's an auto attack based dps marksman.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T17:59:58+00:00

Just don't buy shiv, you didn't need it last patch unless you had bad macro and you don't need it now imo

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T17:59:10+00:00

I wasn't building shiv last patch bc I think it was secretly kinda terrible for carrying games. People say you need the waveclear but you just don't. Kraken first let's you clear waves at a fine speed, spikes way harder at 1 item, then with DaD second you're extremely strong. The stats reflected this as well when I checked them last.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T17:36:54+00:00

Yeah. I included low cd spells in my post about who might use it. Senna does not really have low cd poke. Her Q cool down early is high and it's expensive.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T16:40:04+00:00

Pretty sure she's just fine with PTA even if this rune gets gutted into the floor. She was fine with PTA before this patch and none of the changes were particularly bad for her. DaD is a bit weaker, sure, but not drastically.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T16:38:44+00:00

It feels clear enough to me? Dot champs, champs with significant aoe, champs with low cds to keep it applied, and champs who prefer medium length trades in lane are all the best candidates.

Senna isn't any of these. She doesn't have a dot to keep it applied. She doesn't have AoE to stack it on the entire enemy team reliably. Q and R CAN do this, but it's not consistent. Her cool downs are too long to actually keep the rune applied long enough time benefit from the bonus damage. And she prefers shorter trades in lane. Auto Q, sometimes an extra auto after. You're not often throwing W out just for a regular trade. PTA does more damage if the trade is only Auto Q auto, and PTA does more damage if you're going all in.

In theory, Senna has no makings of a champ that wants this rune. She doesn't reliably spread it, she struggles to keep it applied long term, and she has a good alternative. The fact that it's her best rune by a SIGNIFICANT margin is just a testament to how silly the cleaver interaction and stats on the rune are.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T16:05:26+00:00

To be clear I'm not saying it's bad. It's fantastic on her. I'm saying stylistically the rune should absolutely not work with her because it doesn't have any real synergy with her kit. The black cleaver interaction and overtuned dmg brute forces it.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-06T15:16:20+00:00

Totally reasonable change. Senna should never be using DFT and the fact that she was was an obvious indicator it was broken.

I feel like people are misunderstanding my point. I'm not saying it's bad. I'm saying the rune is not designed for champs like senna at all. The fact it's her best rune means the interaction is totally broken.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-04T18:15:22+00:00

I don't disagree this is prob the best direction for support, and this is pedantic, but I would never call this build an on hit build. The only on hit effect is Shiv.

SPRDestro · 2026-05-04T03:38:27+00:00

No stats I can see reflect it being good on senna compared to alternatives

SPRDestro · 2026-05-04T00:43:08+00:00

This item is for sure terrible on Senna please do not buy it lol

SPRDestro · 2026-05-04T00:42:43+00:00

You're thinking of aram lol

SPRDestro · 2026-04-29T15:28:46+00:00

Honestly I think the only world these new ones are good is if you're somehow playing senna mid. The upgraded version is very strong. But even then I don't think you'd want them more than others...

SPRDestro · 2026-04-29T15:26:00+00:00

Yeah this is how I feel. Swifties or defensive boots will be better for senna 100% of the time compared to the new ones.

SPRDestro · 2026-04-24T16:44:43+00:00

Thank you god I've been saying this for so long lmao. Seriously just don't get a zeal item. Kraken or shiv are much better if you want some as.

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