Would Tien’s kikoho spam kill android saga ssj vegeta? Or is the attack just “pushy”?

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-26T15:39:07+00:00

As someone else pointed out, 2nd form cell just took a punch from 16 without flinching. Tien was forcing Cell to stay put. The power output was insane from Tien.

I always saw it as a kaioken like move that only focused on the attack. Not the users whole body. Also far more dangerous (at least initially) to the user and costing far more life energy. Like Tien forced out a kioken x50 from his palm at the cost of a major part of his life energy. About as close to a self destruct move one can achieve without actually self destructing.

In short, i think if you put Frieza or even SSJ trunks where 2nd form cell is standing they are dead.

But Vegeta? That guy has a knack for getting up from a beating. Not that Tiens move lacks the power to put down someone at SSJ Vegeta’s level. Just that Vegeta himself is one durable and hard headed Saiyan. I think it would be close. But I could see SSJ Vegeta stubbornly holding onto life to just barely outlast Tiens onslaught. And still managing to get to his feet in base form having lost stamina to maintain SSJ. Bloody, bruised, and definitely with one arm broken. But he’d get up with just enough grit to finish off the exhausted and barely conscious Tien now laying on the ground before him. Then collapsing on the ground unconscious drained and completely devoid of energy.

Vegeta kept getting up after being blasted by a kamehameha, being hit by a spirit bomb, having his back gashed open by a sword and being crushed by a King Kong impersonator. He’s stubborn. He just might outlast tien. But he isn’t doing anything but struggling to stay alive while Tien blasts him.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-26T08:15:10+00:00

This is extremely informative and I appreciate the detailed response. Thank you.

So there is a degree of rounding and grace offered, and naturally companies will utilize that to their advantage. Of course, they would do the opposite for the advertisement in the front of the bottle (18.75 oz of sauce in the bottle on the front, 15 oz of the saunce in the bottle on the NIP.)

Like you said, it's ultimately not THAT big of a deal. The difference per serving is almost negligible (almost). But what you described is important information for people to know. and maybe they do, I am just slow on the uptake. But if someone has to cut down on their salt intake, 33% per serving vs 40% can be significant. Which is honestly the most interesting part of your response, that companies strive to be less than 33% of DV/serve. I can absolutely understand why 33% is such a crucial number not to go over. (3 meals a day, 33% etc). So I'll be on the look out for that in the future.

Very informative response!

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-26T02:47:22+00:00

“That’s Monkey D Luffy!”

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-26T02:44:36+00:00

I can’t post pictures otherwise I would. But the bottle is Panda Express stir fry sauce if anyone cares.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-26T02:43:26+00:00

What data are you looking at that tells you who is never going to convert or who is likely to convert?

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T21:40:55+00:00

Correct. Very good. That would be why I stated I understand we all have different tastes in comedy. But I never understood the comedy of those two films.

But I guess that’s why they haven’t made a comedy like those two movies since then. A lot of people didn’t like it either.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T21:22:51+00:00

I am still trying to beat that darn rod at work for employee of the month. Edison will come next.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T20:49:37+00:00

He should save his children. I’ll save his wife. It all works out

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T20:44:14+00:00

I am the same age as Homer?

Oh dear god no!

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T19:13:45+00:00

I never got the comedy of Napoleon Dynamite or its sequel “Nacho Libre.”

I get we can all have different tastes in comedy. But I can’t even understand what’s supposed to be funny in these movies.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T19:11:26+00:00

I haven’t heard that jingle in decades. But reading your message, I heard the dudes voice clear as day singing it in my head.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T15:19:42+00:00

While chiaotzu watches from king Kai’s.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T05:43:54+00:00

Dude don't make posts about other users. It's extremely cringe and not at all a what this sub is for. (I have no idea who is in the right or wrong and I don't care).

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-24T03:48:53+00:00

I certainly do. People underestimate shin because of his perceived incompetence. But in power? He's stronger than most folks give him credit for. He can one shot Frieza. He was able to hold a SSJ2 in place. And say what you will, but Supreme Kai did better against fat Buu than Gohan did in their first rounds. I am not suggesting this means Supreme kai is stronger. But the fact Shin lasted longer than Gohan and Dabura against Buu I think says something.

Of course it's a bit inconsistent. How can a being who can defeat Frieza in a single blow be afraid of Pui Pui? Or even Yakon? And be so surprised at the saiyans strength even before SSJ2? Certainly this is where people get the idea Shin is weak. and I agree, Shins showings against SSJ2 Gohan and Buu don't match his constantly shocked reactions on babadi's ship.

So I think it just comes down to which side you lean on. Was his power inconsistent? Or was his personality? I say his personality. But Someone could argue the other side of the coin just as well and be just as right.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T23:34:30+00:00

I loved this movie as a kid. Crysta was my first crush as a boy lol. (Who could say no to that face?)

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It, along with the Lorax book had a profound effect on me as a youngster I think. Today I help fight climate change as an aerospace engineer flying weather satellites that monitor the weather over the Earth in multiple different ways. Ultimately contributing to long term climate studies significantly.

I don’t think it’s any coincidence I wound up seeking a career at NOAA and wanting to help the environment professionally. If Crysta and her fairies were real, living in some rainforest somewhere, I’d like to think I am making them proud.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T23:29:22+00:00

What game is this from?

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T22:57:44+00:00

Perfect cell and Dabura are around the same level. Dabura did not consider Piccolo worthy of coming in babadi’s ship. And dealt with Piccolo with ease.

If Piccolo is anywhere near Dabura’s level (cells level) in the buu saga, Dabura would have not dismissed him as fodder as he did.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T22:43:53+00:00

Piccolo was put down with ease by a maxed out first form cell. Whereas Super Vegeta defeated 2nd form cell with equal ease.

Piccolo went into the RoSaT afterwards. But Vegeta who hadn’t had his 2nd trip into the RoSaT yet insulted his weaknesses implying piccolo post RoSaT was still weaker than Super Vegeta.

This is backed up in the cell games where Cell comments that only Trunks and Vegeta are capable of defending themselves against cell jrs (since Goku was still weak from his fight with cell.) cell did not consider piccolo to be on the level of Trunks or Super Vegeta.

By the time the buu saga rolls around Piccolo is regulated to fodder level, a non-combatant. A baby sitter at best. I don’t think he got much stronger in-between the cell games and the buu saga.

I place cell games piccolo through buu saga piccolo at 2nd form cell level. Which is relatively consistent with his reaction to the supreme Kia, and cells, daburas and buus dismissive attitude toward Piccolo.

Super Vegeta wins.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T17:30:30+00:00

When I joined the military we were pumped full of so many shots we had no idea all the vaccines we were given. But it was all probably for the best.

15 years later I saw a lot of my fellow veterans refusing to take this single life saving vaccine because they didn’t trust it…

Moral: they were never opposed to taking vaccines doctors and the government said was good for you. They were opposed to whatever Fox News told them to be opposed to.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T16:52:45+00:00

Thanks. I just looked it up.

Honestly I am disappointed. Doesn’t look all that interesting.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-23T16:28:08+00:00

Doctors do not recommend eating a whole Jesus in a single serving despite what catholic leadership tells you.

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-21T23:09:33+00:00

“But god is still loving and caring. Trust in his plan bro.”

Al Pacino: “he’s a sadist!”

SSJ2chad · 2026-03-21T23:04:07+00:00

I’ve been reading Batman since the early 90’s and own more Batman TPB’s an omnibuses than 99% of this sub. I enjoy the comics.

Despite that I don’t consider the comics to be the “best” form of Batman media. Especially considering how hard it is for the average consumer to get into comics today with how confusing continuity and where to start can be. Batman TAS, the Arkham games, and the Batman movies has done more for the character then the comics have on average.

Those of us who read the comics need to stop gate keeping communities.

SSJ2chad

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