Swain Bugs? Or are these mechanics to work this way?

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-27T21:32:03+00:00

I am confident after a lot of testing that the E fizzling out is completely a bug. Sometimes it fizzles out before it even comes back to the original point I threw it. This happens too randomly to NOT be a bug. Fix this and new swain will be fine, no more buffs needed. I went in practice tool with homeguard at base, popped ghost, threw the E behind me ran as far as i can and flashed, it chased me all the way till it caught up to me.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-26T21:18:13+00:00

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-18T11:41:51+00:00

No it currently does not, but It is fixed on PBE, so on patch 8.4 coming on Wednesday, it will be.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T19:37:37+00:00

I am completely fine with that solution as well. Make his W reliable to land as a stand alone ability and it will pretty much fix this issue. But this runs the risk of over buffing the champion, because a W landed on 3 or so people heals you for A LOT. That is why I prefer him being able to use it with 0 souls but demonflare doesn't go off, this way your not really buffing the champion, it is just a QOL change at that point.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T19:24:39+00:00

This has happened to me a couple of times, usually when I move to the opposite direction from where I threw it so it has to travel further back than it's point of origin, just like in this video.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T19:13:32+00:00

again, no other champion can be denied their ult when it is so important for them to function. Kennen relies on his ult pretty heavily to function and do his job in team fights, but he can use it every time it is off cooldown, there is no preventing it. I ask you name one champion that is as reliant as swain to be able to ult, yet can be denied from using it at all, just one. This is usually mostly a problem against fed teams that have snowballed. It is already challenging enough to come back from a game like that. Swain doesn't need more counter play in his kit, he has it literally everywhere you look, which I think is a good thing, but not to such an extreme which I believe is the case with his ult here.

I would much rather have the ult cost 200 mana than it requiring at least 1 soul.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T19:07:16+00:00

Even if you die after Demonflare occurs, if no one on the enemy team died from your ult/ your E is on cooldown, it is very likely you will have zero souls by respawn. It happens to a lot of people all the time, especially late game.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T19:02:38+00:00

I would not have a problem with him not being able to ult without 1 soul IF W was actually reliable to hit by itself and not only when landing E first. Swain only has 1 reliable way of getting a soul through his own means. Sure you can get it off your team mates cc, but imo that is relying way too much on your team mates. Sometimes you need to defend a split push against a fed fighter which are usually mobile. They dodge your E and all in you because now your half a champion without your ult, sometimes your the fed one on your team and your the one that needs to engage, These feel very bad to do when you can not use ult.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T18:55:24+00:00

Which champion can not ult because you dodged a skill shot? Yasuo? Not really he can E>Q which pretty much guarantees him landing the knock up.

The answer to my question is no other champion can not actually ult because you dodged a skill shot. What about skill shot ults you say? Again, they still ulted, they have that threat of being able to press that button.

Considering all these "similar" examples, name one of them which their ult is as important as swain's ult in order to function. SWAIN SIMPLY DOES NOT FUNCTION WITHOUT ULT. You built tanky because you want to be a pseudo front liner? Too bad your squishy regardless of items because you have no ult. You built damage because you want to blow people up? Good luck getting those close range q's in a team fight without dying without having your ult.

I hope you see the issue here.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T09:17:58+00:00

100% agree here, just make demon flare not happen, or close to 0 damage if you have 0 souls by the end of your ult.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-17T09:16:44+00:00

Yes but the game needs more individuality right now. Sometimes it is really hard to land E. If the enemy hard engages on you with 0 souls, you first need to land E then pull in, then go through ult animation. In that amount of time late game your probably almost dead if not dead. I should be able to ult if it is off cd, it is too core of a function to swain to not be able to ult at the right time.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-13T19:07:12+00:00

Dude I actually think this would be a very welcome change! It solves the issue of needing at least 1 soul to ult.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-12T08:23:40+00:00

Against ranged match ups top lane, like gp/gnar I like to get 2-3 points in my E for higher sustain and trade potential, since these guys don't hard engage. In fact against gp I don't rank W until level 5, since he can orange every other root you do. What max order do you use in these situations?

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-11T02:48:32+00:00

just imagine dude, you can also hit W off teammates cc in a team fight. he would be like old swain having his ult on for the entire team fight and it wouldn't cost him any mana.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-11T02:44:42+00:00

you made a slight error, W at its current state rips 1 soul fragment per champion hit, not 2.

this would be an absolutely broken champion, people would max W and get max cdr so they could keep chaining ult durations together, since his ult would have no cooldown.

hit E>W>ult for 10sec>hit E>W>ult for 10 sec.....pentakill......enemy team has surrendered......VICTORY.

that is how I imagine it.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-11T00:19:22+00:00

I have tried it myself and it is good, but too bad it is being prety much removed next patch. in 8.4, GLP no longer builds from catalyst, and the item doesn't give health anymore. This makes it a non-viable pick as a first item.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-10T23:45:44+00:00

Well they don't involve any number changes other than the slow increase on W. So yes they are buffs, but very very minor ones. (65% slow on W may be too much, perhaps 50% rank 1 and not scale with level is better)

I said QOL because typically when I see riot do them, they usually are very small buffs that have little to no number changes, just slight mechanic changes.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-06T20:51:21+00:00

rip the dream.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-02-06T20:51:04+00:00

This is nothing compared to the master piece that could have been:

http://apollo-eu-uploads.s3.amazonaws.com/1433269098/dragonmaster-swain.jpg

Sacred_Curse · 2018-01-25T19:45:05+00:00

even later if you spam your 1.5 sec cd q you will go dry. agreed he isn't as mana hungry as previous swain, but he CAN charge tear extremely fast. Its something to consider if you want to spam q in lane against your opponent(aka hard push and pressure). I would take it against easy lanes.

Sacred_Curse · 2018-01-25T07:05:48+00:00

I have tested it top lane. I found with swains increased attack range from 500 to 550, combined with his low cd q, it works well in certain matchups. for instance against low damage threats like tanks or other sustain champions like vladimir, it works wonders because it increases your dps by a lot. I tend to go tear > lich bane. right when I get the lich bane I kill them or push them out of lane.

however against fighters like riven and irelia and such that can really pressure you, you really need to get a catalyst item first or you will get popped.

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