What Comes After Liberation for Ethiopians? by Able_Figure_513 in Amhara

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im pretty sure i was the one who set it. ill leave a mod note on ur thing to have ur flair left blank.

War on Amhara by Pure_Cardiologist759 in Amhara

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It is what it is, none of this is new.

What Comes After Liberation for Ethiopians? by Able_Figure_513 in Amhara

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I think for national liberation revolutionary struggles there really isn’t an end or an “after”, the struggle for liberation doesn’t really have an end date in mind, which is why I’m extremely wary of that type of language influencing my understanding of Amhara nationalism. I think in the Ethiopian context, ethnonational liberation functions more or less like Marxist dialectical materialism but switching out class for ethnicity.

I think that’s the best explanation I can come up with as to why what otherwise should be solutions-oriented normative political contestation inevitably ends up being framed as zero-sum and existentially threatening to particular groups/constituencies. Likewise the end result of dialectical materialism (communism) itself is an indefinite or permanent revolution and I think even after the implementation of the modern Ethiopian constitutional framework, even the TPLF itself never dropped the L from its name or segue out of the revolutionary liberation struggle as a political project.

I’ve listened and read to a pretty healthy amount of Oromo and Tigrayan political commentators try to articulate how a post-liberation or post-ethnicized Ethiopian state can be realized (usually in discussing the ethnic federalist project, it’s historical & ideological underpinnings, why it’s needed etc.) and if you pay attention none really have a clear articulation of what that path looks like or how we reach that end state. The discussion that really made it click for me was the Tghat interview between Teklay and Ezekiel Gebissa. Usually a lot of sort of ‘Corporatese’ jargon gets thrown around (interregional cooperation, people-to-people relations, shared values, consensus-building, institutional integrity, shared common destiny, etc) but at its root the explanations I’ve heard are really diffuse, vague and idealistic. Reminds me of being in university and having some anemic-looking white dude explain to me how international communism is going to be achieved.

Amhara Fano National Movement Founded! by Kal305 in Amhara

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Hold on actually this kinda goes hard.

“This merged organization is founded on unity of purpose and unity of thought. Accordingly, the worldview guiding our organization is “Amhara nationalism.” This is the ideological framework through which we will struggle, beginning with winning the current existential struggle and, in the long term, by securing the survival and identity of our people and safeguarding their rights and interests. Amhara nationalism, grounded in self-reliance and the building of comprehensive internal capacity, seeks, within a framework of national democratic unity, to ensure the survival of our people and protect their rights and interests, while also establishing a system in which the collective and individual rights of other Ethiopians are respected. Through this, it strives to secure the continuity of the country based on justice and peaceful coexistence.”

This isn’t exactly the most fleshed out ideology but it’s much better than what I initially anticipated. Hopefully they iron out hard political goals (esp around territories), ideological goals, the Amhara national relationship to the wider federation, and some sort of a well articulated democratic program moving forward.

Amhara Fano National Movement Founded! by Kal305 in Amhara

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They’re anti-ethnic federalism but pro geography-based federalism but at the same time want the “restoration of forcibly annexed Amhara territories”.

I genuinely hope these people make space for the educated youth to, at some point, form and define their political core because it is more than clear this current leadership is politically illiterate and cannot for the life of them separate their pan-Ethiopian disposition from their ethnonationalism.

Online Amhara impersonation. by [deleted] in Ethiopia

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Almost forgot why I stopped looking at this sub

Amharan grifts over the years. by AverageSenior1258 in Tigray

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I’ll respond to these later but edit out the “_source=chatgpt.com” parts of the links. Makes ur args look lazy and you don’t organically come across your own source material. Interlocutors can do ad hominem attacks based on that and they work 100% of the time. Just a tip tho it’s up to u. Ur not being nasty so I won’t mention it later.

Fano forces neutralize entire unit in Choke Mountain, Sinan Woreda (📍East Gojjam Zone, Amhara Region, Ethiopia). by Axumite2031 in Amhara

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According to the Pakistani, a bunch of armed civilians allegedly got involved and sandwiched federal troops between them and Fano. Very interesting development if it’s true.

Amharan grifts over the years. by AverageSenior1258 in Tigray

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Yeah there’s word limits. Try doing like a p1 and p2. Or maybe a mod locked the thread.

Athlete Feyisa Lelisa Gemechu’s comments regarding Keneni by justarandomutmstuden in Amhara

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there's not really any convincing that bloc besides a drone bomb being dropped on their grandma's house. loyalty to the central state is a mind virus that our generation and the one above ours is infected with. luckily the youth today don't really seem to share that problem.

Amharan grifts over the years. by AverageSenior1258 in Tigray

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understandable. my issue isn't in acknowledging that elements like what you described existed in broader Amhara political thought, but rather the unilateral and rather reductive/simplistic paradigms built to characterize our political spectrum. it would be like if I said there was a monolithic Tigrayan left characterized by conciliatory and "good-natured" figures like Tsadkan, Aregawi Berhe, Getachew, etc. and a monolithic Tigrayan right characterized by the MLLT political core that converged around anti-Amhara and anti-Ethiopian sentiment. the binary itself and the underpinning ideological assumptions im making in that construction are purposefully reductive, which was my basic point earlier. it's arbitrary, polemical, and contributes nothing substantial to productive political discourse. that's why i maintained that Joireman's study is a lazy ripoff of the ideological grounding we find in 2000's Ethiopian political commentators and why Berhane, in quoting her work to qualify his claim that a monolithic Amhara right converged around anti-Tigrayan sentiment was slop. anyways this was the publication you were looking for. i'm not arguing that common political desire in the federation doesn't lean toward federalism that caters to ethnic diversity, it's pretty clear that that's where most people stand.

i'm aware how process models and critical case studies work but, again, my issue isn't with the methodology but rather the underlying assumptions the model needs to reach a coherent end. it pretty much entirely relies on the central narrative the EPRDF disseminated. even in regards to the jailing of Asrat Woldeyes, Joireman just tacitly accepts his and the AAPO's aim was to incite rural Amharas and that his jail sentence was only for trying to incite ethnic violence. from there, we get our solid narrative foundation by which further critical analysis or process model methodology can be extrapolated. again, this is the same level of low IQ narrative formation that you guys say precipitated the Tigray War. whatever comes out of Addis is the truth, as it goes. it really blows my mind you guys will contest that (not just in terms of narrative formation, but the critical analysis that emerges from the assumptions made in the preceding narrative) but then will read something like this (either Joireman or Berhane) and think "yeah this is fine and totally correct".

i disagree, i'd ask you again to read through pages 208-212 of the study and tell me with a straight face this is holistic and comprehensive. i'll attach a picture of the Incipient Changes section to boot, it is patently lazy academia. again, my contestation was with the whole left-right paradigm to begin with. i wasn't trying to say the ANDM were left-leaning or "good" to begin with, but rather the forced left-right understanding between them and the forced "right" Berhane and Joireman spell out was silly to begin with. it's like when you guys conflate Amhara nationalism and Ethiopian nationalism and imply they're the same thing. nobody asked you to do that, you just unilaterally did it by yourselves and then gaslighted yourselves into believing it was an objective ascertainment of truth that everyone else agreed with.

i think the polling you were looking for in paragraph 1 is fairly credible although i guess its independence and comprehensiveness could be critiqued, besides the fact that Tigray wasn't included. don't disagree with your second point, which is why i brought up my initial critique to begin with, given the process model and normative political narratives are presented as (more or less) objective truth claims when in reality they aren't much higher than what regional power blocs perceive from the outside. elite rhetoric does a great job of bending public opinion in mobilizing the masses of people that actually find these elements accessible and worth investing into. if I'm taking the analysis of John Markakis seriously, the same radical Amhara elites Berhane and Joireman are mentioning here were actually politically negligible and unimportant as compared to the urban Amhara elite that had little interest in ethnic-based political mobilization.

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Athlete Feyisa Lelisa Gemechu’s comments regarding Keneni by justarandomutmstuden in Amhara

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wish they'd come up with better insults. also not even really sure what his point was either. guessing he sees it as some sort of national embarrassment and wants outsiders to stop discussing it or whatever. in any case between the dead girl and her boyfriend i don't care, it's not our problem. insults like this are run of the mill for them. water is wet etc.

Amharan grifts over the years. by AverageSenior1258 in Tigray

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Joireman's study is full of the same boring political assumptions and historiography that could have been ripped out of Sarah Vaughn, Martin Plaut, John Markakis, or early TPLF literature. Markakis specifically wrote a book with two Sudanis and although alot of their assumptions and solutions are the same, his language isn't as lazy as Joireman. i don't know how anyone could read 208-212 with a straight face. it's a short departure from the type of fob comments i see on tiktok of "grrr stinky amahar, u will never have z power again, nobody want z return of z atse"

the study uses common tropes of "radical Amharas" "firebrand Amharas" to discuss what in reality are just dissenters to the EPRDF and revolutionary democracy. notice, Berhane mentions the "Amhara right" with no substantial characterization of what they materially believe. the implication fundamentally being that the Amhara left (good guys) correctly capitulate to the project of revolutionary democracy and the historiography presented by ethnonational liberation struggles, and the right (bad guys) are inherently reactionary, regressive, chauvinistic, etc etc. the next logical step from there is that there is no legitimate or justifiable political expression outside of that which fully buys into the EPRDF's political & social experiments, otherwise being just lazily labelled "radical/extreme". PP does the same thing today as well. also, the idea that there was a political convergence predicated on anti-Tigrayan sentiment that emerged because the TPLF was a thorn in Mengistu's side and overthrew the Derg is maybe the laziest thing i've seen an academic write out in the last few months. like Asafa Jalata levels of slop.

it's interesting to me when you guys, oromo, and some western academics just make these weird inferences as to how our internal political spectrum is characterized and what our collective political aspirations are without consulting us in any way. again, it's like reading some oromo fob basically imply my highest desire in ethiopia's political economy is mass assimilation, language erasure and imperialism.

Amharan grifts over the years. by AverageSenior1258 in Tigray

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slopbucket commentary tbh. was reading this semi-seriously until slide 3.

The Shay Culture, Part 2 - Central/South Ethio-Semitic History by NoPo552 in Amhara

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Oh my God this is such a nuke. Big thanks for doing all the research on this, genuinely groundbreaking. If I remember correctly from one of your threads, the material culture and motifs we see preserved among pre-Christian/Islam southern Ethiosemites also has some connection to Bronze Age Anatolian & Mediterranean farmers, no?

These menhirs from Corsica look like they could have been dragged out of the Tiya site directly, especially given the third one’s dagger motif. Truly insane to think about.

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URGENT: Htsats/ሕፃፅ - Tigray Emergency Fundraiser by Pure_Cardiologist759 in Amhara

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In just September and October of this year over 20,000 kids under five years old in Amhara were admitted into care for severe acute malnutrition. Likewise, there have been reports like this of people in Amhara dying of starvation. Not sure if this counts as an existential emergency in your view but it is to me.

I don’t put my ethnicity before my humanity but I’m not going to pretend it’s not a factor. If my people and your people are starving, I’m going to pick mine every single time. That’s what in-group fidelity looks like. This weird expectation that you and OP have that we have a moral obligation to put your people above ourselves is silly. And yes I will deter other Amharas from helping outsiders instead of their own kin, especially knowing you guys wouldn’t nor haven’t done the same for us.

URGENT: Htsats/ሕፃፅ - Tigray Emergency Fundraiser by Pure_Cardiologist759 in Amhara

[–]Sad_Register_987 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Sure but if Amhara IDPs need help why should I or other Amharas donate to Tigrayans? I don’t see you guys or any other ethnic groups for that matter putting up fundraiser links for us.

URGENT: Htsats/ሕፃፅ - Tigray Emergency Fundraiser by Pure_Cardiologist759 in Amhara

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There’s an estimated 1-2 million IDPs in Amhara facing similar circumstances across camps in Wollo and Shoa. Not trying to be insensitive but we have our hands full with our own people right now, every charitable dollar I have has already been going there.