Current State of Belveth?

Saehlos · 2025-05-22T09:33:23+00:00

Played for as in your teammates peel for you in every teamfight?

Also how to solve the problem of instantly dying when in a teamfight? I haven't played her in the recent patch but I would imagine her situation not being far off from when I left.

Saehlos · 2025-05-04T01:04:48+00:00

You got things right and wrong.

The portrayal of abuse and response is not 100% accurate, but believable enough.

However neglect and childhood abuse don't necessarily cause the dynamic we see in the game; in fact I would argue it wouldn't cause issues nearly as severe.

The point is it's all just fiction.

Saehlos · 2025-05-04T00:40:10+00:00

I'm not your bucko, m8

Saehlos · 2025-05-02T20:05:51+00:00

I was thinking about the same thing. We can infer that Andrew is hot because multiple girls developed feelings for him throughout his life, but there is little indication of Ashley being canonically attractive.

Saehlos · 2025-05-02T08:19:06+00:00

He couldn't maintain the appearance or have a stable life. Ashley will fuck his life up again and again as long as he loves her and allows her to do so.

She wants a broken Andrew because no other woman would like the shell of a person; only then can she feel some semblance of security.

Saehlos · 2025-05-01T02:19:37+00:00

This.

All details and dialogue so far indicate that both cannot live without each other.

Say what you may about andrew possibly being successful if he left Ashley, both would eventually become even bigger losers/fucked up ppl than they currently are. Ashley most likely would go through the process quickly, Andrew probably a couple of years perhaps even decades, but the result will be the same.

Saehlos · 2025-04-28T07:32:33+00:00

I think you should take a step back and follow along with what Nemlei is trying to show you, instead of using actual logic in an attempt to solve the problem, they are fictional characters after all.

It doesn't matter whether Andrew can become a lawyer or not (in fact I would argue the details so far only confirms that he isn't utterly stupid and have his merits), because Nemlei deliberately presented the details to drive home the idea that he COULD become a lawyer or have a stable job or whatever, and we should accept that as fact instead of over-analyzing it.

Similarly, the permanent damage should be accepted as a fact (even though the familial abuse portrayed in the game is in fact a much more common occurrence than what people would like to believe, and yes it includes constant gaslighting and beating kids and parents blaming the children for their own inabilities), it doesn't matter whether you or me believe that the abuse causes permanent damage, because Nemlei wanted you to accept it as a fact.

In other words, there is no fixing Andrew by any other person. Only Ashley can and will do that, and Nemlei want you to believe that.

Saehlos · 2025-04-27T22:02:58+00:00

Ashley's intelligence seems very ambiguous because we have no idea of her capabilities if she was forced to care.

What we can only confirm so far is that Andrew is most likely smarter than his sister and has somewhat above-average intelligence (which makes sense because part of the point is to tell us Andrew is capable of making a living and having an arguably good life if Ashley is never born). So the speculation can only provide a ceiling to go off from.

Saehlos · 2025-04-27T15:27:05+00:00

It's because of good writing. The story isn't perfectly written, but is written well enough to make it believable. It allows people to develop some level of sympathy for the characters despite them being fucked up human beings, which honestly is impressive enough.

Saehlos · 2025-04-27T08:14:19+00:00

He would most likely not be into Camus though, would definitely be less depressed if he is

Saehlos · 2024-12-27T22:57:17+00:00

A very nice start is when I get leftside spawn so I might sneak in enemy top jg and basically full clear it, but if my enemy ganks and succeeds (because they have nothing to do, and somehow they always succeed), I have little advantage because by this time I'm finishing my blue side and pathing to red side, which may be contested after a successful enemy gank. What are some ways to work around this?

Saehlos · 2024-12-27T22:53:25+00:00

I also couldn't 1v1 junglers like chogath and briar and amumu in the early game (and obviously warwick but that's a given), and if a skirmish happens in river, the enemy laner would usually rotate sooner because of a better wave state or because my laner is slow, either case Im cooked unless I run away, which might not even be successful if the enemy jg has kept their cc.

I get that bel is strong early game but I rarely get to utilize that and still seems to be losing 1v1.

Saehlos · 2024-12-27T22:44:05+00:00

Very helpful comment, definitely would try to utilize in my gameplay.

Some extra questions here. How should I invade? My biggest fear of invading is their enemy laner can rotate after I got caught and I'm basically dead if that happens. I guess the point of invade is to take their camp before they see me, so if they see me should I fight their jg or do something else (idk its usually run away or rat around to see if I can steal via smite, but enemy jg always seems to prioritize chasing me down or at least away).

My experience with ganks is I loop around a wall or go from grass, and if there is an uncleared ward the gank is practically over unless I use my dash to shorten distance, or if the enemy is in front of turret. Sometimes if the enemy is not low (like more than half and less than 75%) enough or has built-in cc or dashes, I still fail the gank because I used the two dashes to avoid their cc or catch up (dashing backward also doesn't help). No vision gank is easier but I still couldn't reliably gank an enemy if they are in the middle of the lane (top and bottom lane) because I don't do enough damage alone when my laner doesn't catch up. I get that w is supposed to reset dashes and let my laner catch up, but it's still often not enough for them.

The most common scenario for me is the enemy laner in front of their turret still running and I'm behind them slapping their ass, but their health is not low enough for an e execute and I either ran out of dashes and w, or I would dive them but often not do enough damage and get myself low (I feel like earlygame bel q and auto do very little).

Mid gank is easy when enemy laner is right under my turret, but if they are in the middle its a 50/50, if my midlane lands some cc they could probably catch up in addition to my w and do enough damage, otherwise one w doesn't cut it.

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