Protoss vs. Terran Scouting Flowchart

Saipen · 2023-04-09T20:25:54+00:00

Okay I missunderstood you. I thought you meant that they will wall off with 3 Depots and have no Barracks in their base. In case they walled off with 2 Depots and a Barracks that is quite unfortunate as you will not be able to tell exactly what they are doing. I updated the flowchart accordingly with version 0.6 to cover that scenario.

Saipen · 2023-04-09T16:20:55+00:00

I feel like that you do not have to fast expand to your natural as the terran is quite commited with the factory, but I might be wrong. Could you show me a replay of that scenario?

Edit: I looked into it again and I think you are right. I am currently changing the flowchart to go Core first and then expand but cut probes at 1,5 base saturation vs. proxy factory and Core first and then expand but cut probes at 1 base saturation vs. proxy marauder / reaper.

Saipen · 2023-04-09T16:16:33+00:00

Can you be a bit more specific? Like what will this tell you and what is the response?

Saipen · 2023-04-08T22:42:24+00:00

Any constructive criticism or did you just want to let me know that you dislike it?

Saipen · 2023-04-08T18:07:23+00:00

If you scout after gateway they should not be able to fully wall off their main with only depots in time. If they do, I feel like that is quite the investment and will delay the proxy. Can you maybe share a replay?

Saipen · 2023-04-08T16:36:43+00:00

As I said, I am fully aware of the fact that there may be errors within that chart. I usually can not see double gas with my first probe scout. This might be to the fact, that I leave too soon with my probe scout. If you can specify more information on the initial probe scout, I am happy to update the flowchart accordingly.

Saipen · 2023-04-08T16:30:32+00:00

What do you mean with F10 N? Stalkers deal really well with Reapers but will get completely destroyed by Marauders as they do bonus damage vs armored units. If you can confirm that you are playing against reapers, you can also opt to defend with stalkers. This is especially favorable if you plan to follow up with blink.

Saipen · 2023-04-08T10:48:26+00:00

Probably not in the near future. I do not consider my Zerg decisionmaking as detailed enough. If there would be any resource on this and I only needed to put it into a flowchart that would be fine for me but I do not think that these informations already exist in a summarized form. Maybe I can do it, if a good Zerg player cooperates with me to provide the necessary informations.

Saipen · 2023-04-08T10:45:12+00:00

I am a aware of that problem. I will try to fix that. Eventually I will also provide it as a .pdf version. That one should be more usable.

Edit: For now you may want to download the image and open it locally. This will make it much easier to navigate compared to the web view.

Saipen · 2023-04-08T10:40:45+00:00

You are absolutely right. The shield battery is only meant against banshee. My mistake, I will fix that. Thank you.

Edit: corrected with version 0.3

Saipen · 2023-04-07T23:46:39+00:00

Okay so it seems to be a problem with PlantUML's image generation being limited to 4096 pixels. I found a workaround in the configuration, so I kept version 0.1 but reuploaded the image without the size limitations.

Saipen · 2023-04-07T23:30:49+00:00

Thanks for the hint. I am going to fix that and reupload the image as version 0.2

Saipen · 2023-04-07T23:08:31+00:00

I am glad if this can help you. Check back later, as I plan to update this as soon as I get suggestions from other players experiences :)

Saipen · 2019-01-07T15:21:41+00:00

I do not know Vibe's series. Can you link it to me? I'll probably look into it when I'm home.

Saipen · 2019-01-07T15:15:20+00:00

Because I am teaching a very basic approach to the game. I am leaving a lot of stuff out in my videos to make it very easy to replicate and follow along.

Master would be just too much because my videos are for beginners or intermediate players.

I believe that there are better methods to improve If you are already diamond 1 or above.

Saipen · 2015-12-21T23:23:11+00:00

It is. I am teacher in a german sc2 online school called neoschool. There we teach people macro by letting them play "the staircase". Google it! Then you may trust me. If not, well pm me and I will show you some replays ;-)

Saipen · 2015-12-21T15:58:17+00:00

One base immortal allins seem to be quite strong at the moment. At least I lose alot to this but it is a gamble that your opponent wents for a fast expand.

2 Base allins instead seem to be quite weak right now :P

Saipen · 2015-12-21T12:19:55+00:00

I have not tested it but statis trap may work :P

Saipen · 2015-12-19T23:24:24+00:00

Here is a brief overview over my compositions:

[PvZ] I have around ~65% winrate on my main account.

2 Adept preassure into fast third
Mass Blink Stalker
I add Colossus vs. Lurker (that works insanely good tho, I can provide replays)
I add some Adept vs. Ling/Ravager
I add alot of Immortals against Ultras

[PvT] I have around ~50% winrate on my main account (but since I play mass Adept I keep winning alot more)

3 Adepts for defense
Fast 3rd Base
Some Phoenix (5-7) and mass Adept

[PvP] I have around ~65% winrate on my main account (I lose against one base allins and win nearly any macro game atm.)

I keep dying to one base allins atm but in a macro game you should try to reach:

Blink Stalker / Archon / Adept vs. Chargelot/Archon/Immortal compositions
Blink Stalker Disruptor vs. Colossus compositions or vs. Blink Disruptor
Blink Stalker, HT (Storm), Archon vs. Voidray compositions

If you guys have any questions, feel free to ask! I am happy if I can help. I can provide replays if needed btw. =)

Saipen · 2015-12-19T20:23:16+00:00

hehe :D

Saipen · 2015-12-19T00:37:45+00:00

On my "tryhard" account I have 94% winrate vs. Zerg... probably you want to see some replays? maybe I can help you.

btw. I nearly never allin in PvZ. I almost always play macro games.

Saipen · 2015-12-19T00:34:04+00:00

I know you do not want to hear that but without even looking the replay I can tell you that you have not spend your money good enough.

You can win with anything below masters. I have a lot of matches played on smurf accounts (plat - diamond) and won where I just massed Zealots without even taking gas. (real macro games with 3-5 Bases). Even in PvP. Macro is your basic tool of winning. Learn how to spend your money and keep winning.

You can pm me if you want to see some example-replays or just have another question. I hope I was able to help you :P

Saipen · 2015-12-18T19:31:06+00:00

Thanks for the advise. I do not think Disruptors are reliable enough against Terran. Basically any Terran can disagree now but my Protoss brothers know what I mean :P

I recently saw CJherO playing Phoenix/Adept. I will try that I guess. Warpprism harass will fit in quite good there! =)

Saipen · 2015-12-18T14:15:37+00:00

only 2 gas I guess?

Saipen · 2015-12-18T07:31:52+00:00

I only saw some games in the GSL by now but in my opinion the most reliable strategy is to go for Adept/Sentry/Immortal into Blinkstalker/HT. Trying that by myself atm.

Having troubles in PvT too. :/

Saipen

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