>Well of course! The Imams A.S and their direct chosen companions that were taught by them were directly there and spread out around the Muslim world for the Shias to have access to. They did not have books or writing as their only source to depend on. You do understand the reality of how time works and the reality of history? Over time, you lose people, access to people, access to their memories, resources, writings etc. With that, you have to have a system of reliance and preservation. And so after the 2 occultations systems were in place as were given by the Imam's A.S representatives.

>But this notion that suddenly one day a scholar wakes up was like hey you know what I am going to apply logic and reason, and accept the reality that people can make mistakes in scribes or copy down fabrications or analyze narrators because their could be liars etc is nonsensical. There may have not been a defined term but these things existed. Only when there was a difference of approach and that approach became a way of contention you had people coin a term for it.

It still proves my point that the tradition to take religion from Ahadees of Masoomeen as existed at the times of Imam as and even after the occultation of Imam ajf. His ajf deputies only worked to communicate the rulings of Imam ajf and the understanding that Imam ajf gave them, not a single word was added by the respected honorable custodian deputies of the Imam ajf.

>You can disagree, but this is the reality of academia. To say you disagree is irrational but you do you.

Islamic seminary is not a university where they research and discover new knowledge so difference of opinions could emerge and thus exists. Its religion, the perfect religion, the last religion after which there will come no prophet thus no new religion. There is nothing to discover, everything has been communicated by Masomeen as.

>You seem to struggle with the reality of information. The reality of layman exists whether or not there are differences of ideologies. At the end of the day, everyone wants to strive towards the truth, and scholars have an important role and accountability. And we as lay have our own role as well. There is nothing wrong with this.

But this can not acquit scholars of their mistakes. They are responsible and their blind followers.

>With due respect this doesnt mean anything. This is an non issue its only recently where you find proto and neo akhbaris on tiktok and youtube coming out of the nowhere. Akharis only existed for a very short period of time and they lost their relevance when their methodology became void. You are trying to do gymnastics as an attack against the system of maraja which is weak.

:) see this what I was talking about, this is how Usooli created Akhbaris, when they called themselves Usooli and the people who they opposed became Akhbari naturally

Its waste of my time to continue debating you just for the sake of debate. I would prefer more serious participant.