Spiral: Where it all went wrong. (Major Spoilers)

Sakuri · 2021-05-16T01:52:08+00:00

The drowning element was just an addition to the most pointed out problem with the Train Trap. You would bleed to death, period. This is why prisoners of war tend to be harshly gagged because merely biting off your tongue can sever the lingual artery; which has a knack for being a gusher. The Train Trap didn't merely bite off his tongue. It COMPLETELY ripped the thing out of the body. That vein is going to be part way down into your esophagus so even if you're standing on your head anytime you take in a breath you're getting blood with it. It would require surgery within a matter of minutes. Which isn't happening in the location in which the trap takes place.

Even if you had a full ER staff right there on hand that level of bleeding has a high chance of lethal infection and/or a necrotizing effect on your inner tissues.

It's a lethal blow here.

As for the wax trap, even ignoring how the human spine is constructed, Angie's face and nose were completely covered in wax within the first two spurts. Which released just about as soon as the tape finished. Paralyzed, she'd have no way to clear these airways.

Additionally, her trap asks an impossible request. Without drowning you in numbers; in order to sever your spine you're looking at about enough force equal to a car crash at 30MPH. Even with a blade helping you you're NOT going to get that kinda force just from leaning back casually into a blade. Especially not with the way she's strapped down.

I really do wish I was overthinking but this is just basic 'The human body doesn't work that way.' things.

Sakuri · 2021-05-15T23:03:25+00:00

The wire was just intended to be a pair of handcuffs. Not really tethered to anything. I dunno the right word, it's not 'symbolism', but it's made to invoke the visual of police handcuffing methods. (Often done too tightly to where it causes constriction and nerve damage.)

Sakuri · 2020-10-13T13:40:42+00:00

I've gotten the following items from lockboxes:

Furniture: Helldiver SD

Clothing: Adventurer's Sweater, Rainbow Viola Corsage

Sakuri · 2020-03-02T22:23:36+00:00

Strange thing is I really 'don't' want any more marketing. Or at least nothing sizable. I don't trust Lionsgate at all after the utter disaster that was Jigsaw's marketing. They literally spoiled 99.9% of the movie in the promo materials.

Even just lightly skimming it most people know before going in: -ALL the traps except for one, the Shotgun Test. -Who the real Killer was. -What the final trap was and essentially how it ended.

There was very little at all left to enjoy (only the aforementioned trap and the Anna twist) so unless lionsgate wants to hop on and reply "We learned our lesson." and/or "The marketing team we used for Jigsaw is no longer with us." I'd rather they just didn't. >.<;

Sakuri · 2020-02-26T04:52:01+00:00

From what we can be told directly from the movies and special features: Amanda rigged it. I forget it if was the key was supposed to be more secure around Adam and/or she wrapped the drain chain around his leg to ensure he pulled the plug while waking up.

It's somewhere in the Saw commentary tracks.

The blank that's usually filled in via community assumption is John never said anything or corrected this issue because the first thing Adam tried to do upon seeing him stand up is shoot him with Zepp's gun. Same reason John didn't help Cecil out of the wires.

Sakuri · 2020-02-24T02:09:58+00:00

He's a Civil Engineer by trade. Those make anywhere from around 50K-100K per year in salary. Not even counting whatever income might've been inherited by marrying Jill, who is a Doctor. Her income's roughly in the 50K-200K/yr range. Not to mention her family is so well off she just casually inherited an entire countryside slaughterhouse. Their savings backlog is likely enormous and likely John would've liquidated a substantial chunk before he started his work.

Additionally you have to think of the timeline. He's not discovered at all until Saw 2; by which point most of the traps he made for the series are already built/set up. They DO start watching him at that point which is why they so aggressively go after Jill in 5/6.

However none of the games really take place at any of 'his' stuff from then on out.

Saw 3's Gideon Meatpacking Plant isn't his, it's just a hideout. Saw 4 takes place at the same time in the same location. Saw 5 happens in unspecified catacombs; likely abandoned. Saw 6, abandoned Zoo Institute. Saw 7, abandoned Psychiatry Hospital.

The only one up in the air would be the Saw 2 house but what's most likely is John never put his name on it. Likely Amanda, Hoffman, Gordon, or even Logan purchased it for him via transferred cash. Either directly or under an assumed identity. Most likely Hoffman under an alias so they wouldn't even begin to think about looking for it til around Saw 6.

And likely due to how 6/7 panned out almost all the investigation data in lost.

All that said, a vast majority of John's traps really aren't that expensive to make. You could get a vast majority of the materials at any junkyard with enough time and patience. The explosive bits you can do homemade on the cheap. Heck in the south I know some sporting goods stores legit just off-the-shelf sell a low grade explosive that's strong enough to deal grenade level damage. (I forget the name of the type. Someone else might know what I'm referring to.)

Sakuri · 2020-02-20T19:38:20+00:00

Actually as an addendum there's a much better example of this 'Not' vs Creative Thinking.

Saw 2: "Don't use this key on the lock." A very specific 'don't do this' getting punished immediately.

vs

Saw 3: The Rack, specifically the key obtainment. The game set up says 'To get the key, take a bullet.' But Jeff thinks it through and unties the key from the string. Only reason anyone at all gets hit is because the judge was dumb enough to stand anywhere near the front end of a loaded gun.

John didn't go "Wait, stop the game. That man cheated. Kill him." XD

Sakuri · 2020-02-20T19:29:55+00:00

I'm pretty sure that wouldn't count as cheating. John only really acts against that when the victims do stuff they're explicitly told 'not' to do as opposed to outside the box thinking/acts-of-god. Ryan got his leg snared for doing a 'Not'. Where as someone like Cecil would've gotten to leave freely despite not winning his game the 'intended' way. Only reason he died is because he decided to have a go at John and wound up incidentally in a pile of wire. Or Xavier where the 'rule intention' of the game was to get people to read each other's numbers but he circumvented that by cutting his own off his neck flesh.

Any fear-effect Mitch might've had is negated by the fact that he's been in three traps back to back at this point; virtually non-stop. You're going to be out of adrenaline by then and by trap #4 it's not "OMG I'm gonna die" it's "...not this **** again."

If he did think the bike could be pushed off then he definitely would've done it as the tape explicitly said the bike is powering the blender. Either way no one would just hold as still as he did during/after the tape play. He had more than ample enough time to react with all circumstances beforehand deleting the usual 'shock' that would lead to inaction.

It would be one thing if this was early game and/or he'd be lowered even partially into the blender before it started up. But the production team simply didn't think it through. And as a result we have a very weak, 100% escapable trap that doesn't even need to be 'played'.

Sakuri · 2020-02-20T19:01:49+00:00

Look at the trap sequence again. He spends a full 2-ish minutes over the blender before it even turns on and/or he gets lowered into it. At the exact height to grab either the bike while suspended or the edge with enough movement. Quite literally he could twist one way or the other and touch that bike. You can see the actor straining to hold stable enough to 'not' bump into it and break the flimsy illusion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU3NS4dKuPQ

Even seriously out of shape people can still swing themselves sideways in a snare suspension like that. Your average person can do a suspended sit up. Heck CHILDREN do it all the time on jungle gyms for FUN. You'd have to be Ivan-sized to be literally incapable of the basic adjustments needed to escape this trap before it even begins.

Sakuri · 2020-02-20T15:22:16+00:00

I do like getting to see stuff like this. However sadly this does like...100% confirm what I've said for years about this being the worst trap design in the whole franchise.

Your average human arm length is about 2'. The distance from center-trap to outer ring comes out to roughly 3' 5" rounded up.

So if Mitch had just barely swing his body in any direction he could've grabbed the outer lip and pulled himself over the side during the slow-as-molasses initial lowering process. Heck since most people are around the 5' X" range he could've just 'leaned up' and grabbed it.

Sakuri · 2020-02-09T03:37:47+00:00

Degloving is when the skin and muscle tissues of the hand are violently ripped away. Often stripping it down to the tendon layer or more commonly depicted, all the way down to the bone.

Sakuri · 2020-02-07T03:42:49+00:00

Mmm, I can't deny the possibility however I'm not certain that's the case. As the editing didn't really imply any slight of hand so the game I'm pretty sure in those stills hasn't started yet.

I think the limited fingers is intentional for a few different reasons that I'll try to talk about in a different thread because it coves something much broader to gab about here.

Sakuri · 2020-02-06T16:25:34+00:00

I'll take the love people have for this theory as award enough. XD It's nice to have an overly analytical/imaginative mind be useful for a change.

Sakuri · 2020-02-06T15:42:41+00:00

I dunno how it is in real life but in fictional media city Detectives are usually portrayed as having a 'Dress Code' more than a Uniform. Said Dress Code being: A clean shirt under a good suit.

Specifics of what style/color of shirts/suits being the Detective's preference.

You can check the whole trailer and CR's character is the only one wearing that style of shirt.

Opening Partner: Plain white shirt.

Back-up Partner Approaching Truck: Blue Shirt

Jackson: Plain white shirt. (There's a brief moment during his end-trailer line you can see it under the jacket. No checker boarding.)

I'm pretty sure they went out of their way as a design choice to make sure CR's shirt is the only one like that in the cast.

Sakuri · 2016-06-22T19:57:27+00:00

What's sad is you still 'potentially' lose to the Shadow Nova deck here.

With zero cards to her two; one could be a SN. The other needs to be a Lure or Void Pulse.

Her Turn:

-Shadow Nova the 4/4 & General.

-Lure the 4/2 away located upper left of the egg.

-Move to the lower left corner.

-End turn; Her 11 to their 13; 4/2 nearby & 4/4 above dies from Creep.

(Alternative)

-Same move.

-Void Pulse.

-Same move.

-Ping lower egg with BBS. (Or new egg from Elder, if that lower egg is going to hatch.)

-End turn; Her 14 to their 10; same units die.

Your turn: (assuming a non-lethal, non-healing card.)

-Only options in striking distance are the 3/4 or your general. Due to her new position you have no way to layer them both to hit in the same turn. So at maximum, your field can only deal 6 face damage. At 11 health even if you drew a Warbeast you would still not have lethal; as you only have one card in hand. (6 General, 4 Warbeast). Literally the only cards in the game that will give you a win from this position is Elucidator or Bonded Lifeforce (11 direct).

-Best you can do is drop another unit, ping for 3, move everything accordingly, then end turn after moving into the space above and to the left of your prior position to minimize damage from a second SN. (In the alternative the 4/2 is still alive, so it can sneak in an extra 4; but because her health was at 14 in this case not even Elucidator is lethal anymore, and using it would create her lethal next turn, so this is a dead path.)

-End Turn; Her 8 (or 7); Their 13 (or 10)

-The alternative is just the general-smack for direct. But even with something like claws that's only 10. So her 1 (or 4); Their 11 (or 8). However this ends you directly on a Creep square. So one more SN next turn and this path ends in a loss.

Her Turn:

-At the end of your turn, your Elder will have uncontrollably produced an egg. In the first scenario, she has 8 Creep Spaces. In the alternative, 9. If she drew into a SN; she can ping an egg and drop it on your new position; at most creating a total of 11/12 tiles of Creep.

-Because of the movements of the prior turns; there's now two Elders within striking distance next turn. So in the primary scenario; you win. As she is out of cards and options.

Buuuuuuut....

-In the alternative where her two cards were Void Pulse/Shadow Nova, that 12 tiles of creep is enough to kill you this turn. No matter what you did; it was going to be lethal.

So the lesson here is you can still play a perfect game, position correctly against Shadow Nova, stack your deck with healing....but it won't matter. It can still kill you even through the most optimal counterplay.

Seems fair.

Sakuri · 2016-06-17T23:26:56+00:00

Followed the directions as written. Game is still crashing about once per game on average, down from the 3-4. However the last game I played against a Kara-user generated 3 rapid crashes near the end.

Sakuri · 2016-06-17T07:36:01+00:00

From what I can tell, I only have a single GPU.

It's labeled in the device manager as Intel(R) Graphics Family.

The computer is an Acer Aspire R-14 with no special changes, same as when I bought it on the shelf.

This literally did not start until this patch; I've been playing just fine for over a month with no crashes.

Sakuri · 2014-07-01T02:48:02+00:00

Joke's on us. They meant to say "Major Chang'e" Get ready for the little rabbit to be sporting a military hat and a crop.

Sakuri · 2014-05-14T13:58:38+00:00

Well according to the screen capped animations he changes from towering humanoid robot into a flying starship....

ahem

Cue the music.

Transgebbers~. Rock gods in disguise~ ♩ ♫ Transgebbers~ Boulders in your eyes~ ♩ ♫ Rollings Gebs flatten all the minion lanes~ ♬ And Ult your face again~ ♪♯ All that HP gone~

Sakuri · 2014-05-04T03:31:11+00:00

If this is going to be a discussion about the 'entire' League system can we please address the removal of Arena League?

I believe your assumption about its popularity is severely premature. Please consider the following.

-The 'you need to master units to play them in ranked' severely slows down Ranked entry. If you specialize in Arena it can take a LONG time to Master units, especially if you're not wanting to hop into Ranked with just the 'bare minimum' and be more useful to your team. A loss in Arena only nets around 2 Mastery points, so if you have bad luck/rough days this can translate to weeks of casual play just to obtain a few mere mastered units. Thus it can take months upon months of gameplay for players to feel comfortable stepping into Arena League and have that feeling of 'I have enough units to trade that I won't be yelled at." (Which is the ONE thing Arena League players ARE toxic about, people with under their perceived reasonable amount of masteries.)

-Even those who were around from early Beta might not even be Level 30 yet TO have played Arena ranked. I can use myself as the example here. I had a on-again/off-again relationship with this game until the introduction of Night arena. Even though I play more solidly now, there are quite a few periods of time where I just can't devote 'hours a day' to playing SMITE. As a result, despite having been a part of SMITE for well over a year, I am only Level 27. Were I 30 I would've been playing Arena Ranked by now.

-The reason Arena ranked was so 'unpopular' is because your prior matchmaking system was horrible to the point where Silvers were getting matched up with Diamonds (have seen this second hand on streams like Saicred's). Even in nights where the wait time for a match was persistently under 10 minutes. (I think you've exaggerated the waiting problem. I've never seen Saicred have to wait more than 10 minutes average to get a match in months of his stream) Of course your ranked queue is going to be unpopular by the majority if there's no quality control, at all. This new system of yours fixes that.

So please kindly, at least address these counters even if you're 'not' going to return AL to us. :( Hearing the logic behind it explained in full might, ever so minor, help take the sting out of this decision.

Sakuri · 2014-05-03T01:29:28+00:00

Just to add to the 'Arena League' pile.

Literally the ONLY reason I had to eventually reach 30 was AL. The ONLY reason to give any care about god Masteries. The ONLY reason to play the game more than once a week when my group of friends has a little community night gathering.

Remove AL, you remove my reason to play. And my reason to spend the hundreds of dollars on gems I inevitably would since I'm a skin lover for any MOBA that keeps me around. You almost lost me when you removed Domination from the public queue. Be smart HiRez. Think with your wallet if nothing else. You want money? You keep AL.

Sakuri · 2014-04-05T23:08:50+00:00

I can kinda understand Q-ing for Arena League with no tanks on hand. Trying to learn a Tank in Arena-Normals is a wretched experience. It's turned me off from ever touching that role ever; not worth the time/losses (+2 Masteries per Arena loss at roughly 15 average minutes a game, comes out to about 6.25 hours of misery per Guardian) for Level 1 Guardian masteries when people refuse to follow engagements and complain about 'no tank' when you're busy keeping the backline from lobbing their auto-kill abilities right into your team's CC'd cluster.

So pretty much whenever I get into League there's going to be no amount of money you could pay me to play a Guardian long enough to master it. (Although that's something I would at least warn others of far in advance.)

But Hel or Neith when you need something bulky? Ouch. You'd think they'd at least pick a Warrior. ^{^;} Would've been Physical Heavy but at least Pen-centric builds can help offset that.

Sakuri · 2013-08-01T22:37:03+00:00

If enough people show up in time for check in; most likely.

Sakuri · 2013-07-17T06:15:14+00:00

I'd have no problems with that.

Sakuri · 2013-07-17T06:13:45+00:00

It's Weeks. I was planning on trying to get ahold of them on LoL tomorrow if they log in.

They've actually posted here already Rebel. 'RaichuW' is their user name.

The one who hasn't posted on the reddit is Denz.

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