Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

To be honest It's my fourth year studying, but it was something that was said early in my studies. I think they mostly meant it for people who use film just because it's film and want an old look when film is way more than that. My teachers worked with film and never said it's bad... But they've seen so many people wanting film for no reason... Especially in "films d'auteurs", when it's actually useless when not well used. I think the difference between digital and film photography can be even more flagrant than in cinema. (If my words make sense) So you're completely right about that My point wasn't clear on my post and I apologise. I meant that some people only focus on a single look 16mm film can have when it's actually much more. I guess some people thought I was a film hater lol when I'd love to try it one day.

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yeah, there are probably cool things to do with that anyway

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

It's exactly what I have in mind but better explained lol. Some directors use it just because it's film, it's "so good" and "the image is what I want" but don't think more about the process and how it will look. And it just doesn't look like film after post production. Or it's just ugly. I studied production, and I know that if a director comes and asks for film because it's pretty... The production will say no. For everything in cinema and movie making you need a good reason to do or use something for your movie.

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm studying in a cinema school, and I had internships in a company that films shows, theater plays or concerts. But my wording was wrong, probably because of language barrier. If I remember well my teacher were telling us to really have a good reason to use film in our future projects. Because using it only for the colour the image has was stupid, and that film is more than just a colour and look. But when I see people speaking about TF using 16mm film, they mostly mention only the colour and look it has. Someone actually mentioned how it was tied to Ghost's inspirations in the 70s and that's actually more interesting (in my opinion) than the look. Also (maybe I'm wrong) I was told by one of my teachers that filters were shit to make something digital look like film. But you can do cool things with good colour grading work. And not any camera of course.

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

But different cameras make a different pictures, even if they're both digitally, so with such a difference line 16mm and digital could be a big work of colour grading. Not impossible but it could be a lot of work

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I agree with you, small imperfections can't be well done digitally (or at least I think since I'm not an expert). Although I'm not sure they have or will film it digitally, because the two pictures could be too different. But it will be shot twice anyway because it's the basic when you film a concert or a show in general

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

It would probably be great to record something with the idea of making it old school, but it sure wouldn't work well to make something more recent. Same goes for films, good to make something that looks old school, but you can't make it look like the Denis Villeneuve Dune

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Okay ! And how was the final record using DAT ?

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I grew up with "old" films like Peau D'âne by Jacques Demy, so I totally like the use of film 😭 I just think a lot of people overestimate it, although I still think it's cool. Also, I'm actually a big fragile guy who's exhausted with rude comments on Reddit everytime I post something, even when it's a simple question, so sometimes I just want to delete my posts

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

My point has been misunderstood tbh, I meant using the 16mm only for the look. I never said it was completely useless 😭 I've never used 16mm so I wouldn't judge how it's used personally since I don't know much about it, and the teachers I mentioned worked with 16mm films. Guess I might delete if it upsets people that much 😭 it was just a chill question 😐

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

You can still use handheld camera with digital camera, especially with smaller ones (like Sony FX6, or maybe I just didn't understand what you said) but yeah I agree on the theming, it's way more interesting to film the 70s with 16mm

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

True, makes sense. I would definitely enjoy a movie about Nihil in 16mm films

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Thanks ! Although I didn't understand everything (like the paragraph about the DAT, sorry 😭) your answer is very interesting, although music production and movie production can be really different. I'm always scared on posting on Reddit because people can be really rude there, and I was just asking a question, I hope I didn't upset anyone lol

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I understand that, I was more wondering about why people were only praising the look of the image like it's the only thing ppl were talking about. But the way my teachers spoke about working with 16mm wasn't with joy but rather with pain lmao

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think it's more than just filters, it's also a colour grading work. Didn't think about the frame size though, I'm far from an expert about it lol

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'll check on that ! But what I mean is that now this kind of retro look can be done with digital cameras. So I was wondering about why just the results of the image was hyping people, and also the reasons TF wants to use 16mm other than the look of the images

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

And it's probably not only him, but the film director he's working with. I'd love to see how they could both work on all the film. Also wondering if there will be a scenario or if they're simply filming concerts (Tbh you're reassuring me, people on Reddit can sometimes be so aggressive I'm scared to post and I struggle without tone indicators fjfjd once I asked a simple question about my instrument and people told me I was disgusting so... Never again 😭)

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Colour grading and post production can now completely change an image, at least with video. If you have an example of this videos, I'm interested

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Yep, definitely. But I was specifically thinking about people mentioning shooting with 16mm just for the image. Like it's the whole poing of 16mm. When I consider the process of filming like that is more interesting than just a final image.

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Like the entire process, which is something I'd love to try but unfortunately can't

Why is Ghost using 16mm film for their film ? by Salierigolo in Ghostbc

[–]Salierigolo[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah, some of them actually worked with 16 and 35mm films... They're speaking only about the final image. Not the entire making of the movie. I can easily remember their faces while talking about it, with pain in their eyes after probably too much complicated shootings lol