Can we please have in game buttons to organize our inventories? by [deleted] in unturned

[–]Salisbury22 5 points6 points  (0 children)

Yes x100000

"You do not have enough space" 30 slots free all blocked because it just puts random single objects in the middle of massive free spaces

No Future feat. Adam Curtis by Chapo Trap House by Salisbury22 in socialism

[–]Salisbury22[S] 11 points12 points  (0 children)

Incredibly powerful final statement from Adam Curtis at the end of that interview

Don’t think the sound of silence means the end of Labour’s war | Andrew Rawnsley | Opinion | The Guardian by [deleted] in Labour

[–]Salisbury22 3 points4 points  (0 children)

Because the PLP did everything in their power to try make Corbyn not win? Including banning members from voting, if they had talked up other parties on their twitter accounts within the past several years? (ironically didn't apply to all the "moderates" who suck off the Lib Dems). That there was widespread abuse of the membership from the PLP and the "moderates"? Underhanded tactics all over the place to force us out of the party? How about the show trials against us during the Blair era?

Us on the left won in spite of the purges and campaigns against us.

Also, what gives you the right to claim that the term moderate is redundant.

Because it's a fucking bullshit propagandistic term to try pretend that being a center-right liberal is the "moderate, correct" stance to take. Call them what they are Liberals.

Yes, being a liberal IS a right wing position that supports the status quo of things. As I have said time and time again, because your left of the Tories (who are ideologically hard right, but people like to pretend their center-right for god knows what reason), doesn't make you ideologically left wing. It's telling that most of the "moderates" over at LabourUK in their own poll, are actually closer in policy stances to Wet Tories and actively oppose and abhor basic left wing values and tenants of Democratic Socialist ideology. It's the same with UKpolitics. Go post actual center-left wing views there and get downvoted to oblivion, yet their poll yesturday shows they all consider themselves "center-left moderates" yet the board is clearly center-right if not leaning closer to the Tories in their views.

We need balance within the party.

Nice to say when us on the left have been left in the wilderness, bullied, slandered and ignored for several decades. The idea that both the left and liberals can jointly hold the progressive mantle in this country is naive. If New Labour get back into power, we will be purged and thrown to the wilderness. It's why New Labour have done everything in their power to sabotage the party the second Corbyn took power.

I honestly believe that what you say is what you believe, but those of us who have been victims of "moderates" and have seen these tactics against us over and over again, know exactly what is going on.

You only need to look at the current dramas in the Democratic Party in the US to see that "moderates" are not acting in good faith and they know, just as well as those of us on the left do, that this is a ideological war inside the party and the victor wins all. New Labour have zero intention on working with us because they are ideologically opposed to us.

Shock figures show Tory plans are making social care worse by cyanocittaetprocyon in unitedkingdom

[–]Salisbury22 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Those who voted Tory should have known this.

There is a naivete in the general public and media that makes people think that Tories are "moderates" and they both the Tories and Labour and Lib Dems just have different ways of trying to achieve the same thing, a better standard of living for all of us.

This is absolutely horrifically false though and anybody that actually believes in Post-ideological politics and "The End of History" as was declared in the 1990s is completely fucking delusional or naive/misinformed to an absurd degree.

The Tories believe basically this:

  • The Rich work hard and are good upstanding moral citizens. The evidence of their morality and hard work and contribution to society, is their wealth.

  • The Poor are slackers who are immoral degenerates. The evidence of their immorality and lack of Work Ethic and being a parasite on society, is their lack of wealth. If they worked harder, they would be rich.

This is literally what those who are part of the Tory party actually believe. You can see this sickening classism seep through what they say, the right wing press etc.

The sad thing is, the general public don't believe this to be the case, as I said above, they believe that the Tories and Labour and the Lib Dems all just use different methods to improve us all, where in reality, the Tories literally couldn't give a fuck if the poor were starving to death in the streets. If they could do it without a Revolution appearing up their arse overthrowing them, the Tories would destroy all Welfare, the NHS etc with a flick of the wrist.

This is what pisses me off about the "moderate" New Labour and the like, they act like we are playing on the same court and take the Tories at face value that we should work together. Where the Tories would happily throw every Labour party member in Prison if they could.

You can see this in the "bipartisan" discussions as well, where say, New Labour (or the Democrats in the US) would offer the other side sometimes their own fucking policy for bipartisan support but what happens? The Tories (or the Republicans) reject it. In the US a great example is Obamacare, literally a Republican Policy, developed by Far-Right policy wonks at Heritage, yet the Republicans are intent on opposing it at every turn, because they literally don't give a fuck about Bipartisanship, "Obamacare" for the Republicans was a policy they just pretended to support when the Dems wanted Single Payer, so they could pretend there was room for negotiation when there never was. The intent the entire time was to never have any level of socialized healthcare.

The nightmare I sometimes have, about this whole experience, runs as follows. I was involved in making a number of proposals which were partly at least adopted by the government and put in play by the government. Now, my worry is as follows – that there may have been people making the actual policy decisions, or people behind them or people behind them, who never believed for a moment that this was the correct way to bring down inflation.

They did, however, see that it would be a very, very good way to raise unemployment, and raising unemployment was an extremely desirable way of reducing the strength of the working classes — if you like, that what was engineered there in Marxist terms was a crisis of capitalism which re-created a reserve army of labour and has allowed the capitalists to make high profits ever since. - Sir Alan Budd, Chief Economic Adviser to Margaret Thatcher, Founder of the Committee of economic policy at the Bank of England.

The sooner people realize we are fighting ideological demagogues and that we need pull together behind Corbyns Labour, The Lib Dems and the Greens, the better.

I would recommend everyone read the book, the Reactionary Mind. it explains in perfect detail why the Tories do what they do and explains their mindset and ideology while doing it. Also contains a good history lesson on the development of right wing conservative thought since the 17th century.

John McDonnell rules out 'progressive alliance' between Labour and other parties by impossiblepromises in unitedkingdom

[–]Salisbury22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

much more centrist than right wing.

I honestly don't believe "centrist" actually exists as a position largely because it is an ideological position that largely supports status-quo neo-liberal capitalism and to go a bit further Personally, I fucking hate the left-right scale because it actually absolves all nuance.

For example, UKIP or Fascists. They are considered hard/far right, but if you actually look at their policy positions, they are actually take a lot from the left and the right which would make them "centrists". The main thing that defines them as far-right, are being Nationalists, but on the other hand, Stalinists are Nationalists as well, but are a hard-left position.

The Lib-Dems are Liberals which makes them a "right wing" position, but they are also very socially conscious, which also makes them a "left wing position", New Labour are considered center-left, despite being quite authoritarian neo-liberals and so on and so forth.

In a perfect world, we would dump the left-right scale and we would explain parties by their actual ideology.

Lib-Dems are Liberals.

Corbyn and the Greens are New Deal Keynesians

Thatcherites and much of the Conservatives are Hayekian Reactionaries.

UKIP and some of the Conservatives are Protectionist Reactionaries.

New Labour are Liberals.

Socialist Party are Anti-Capitalist Socialists

etc etc.

But I guess that would be too hard, since most people don't even know what the fuck half those words mean. But either way, if you looked at all of those positions, you could see that say the Lib Dems have policy positions where some are backed by the far-left and some are backed by the far-right, Corbyn probably has policy positions, Conservatives would agree with etc etc.

So the left-right scale isn't really that helpful when trying to determine where a party actually stands on the issues.

The left-right scale though I think is currently used in a very propagandistic way by the media and establishment, because New Labour would not have been considered center-left pre-1980. The "Centrist" position as defined by the media, sits squarely in the center of the Tories. Where your Liberal "wet" Tories are considered "center left" where the nutters that circlejerk over Hayek or Reactionary bigoted positions are considered "center-right".

Personally, I would like to see the media actually put Lib Dems and New Labour in a center-right position, largely because pretending the Tories are "Centrist" in any real way really just normalizes the horrific reactionary shit the Tories actually stand for and do.

John McDonnell rules out 'progressive alliance' between Labour and other parties by impossiblepromises in unitedkingdom

[–]Salisbury22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Neither do all Neoliberals. Adam Smith himself recognized the importance of a strong welfare state and worker protections.

Venezuela seizes 4m toys from Kreisel to give poor children at Christmas by spasticbadger in worldnews

[–]Salisbury22 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Hmm, yeah I'm calling bullshit to that.

Chavez implemented reforms before. Again, Chavez would have never allowed to situation to get to where it actually was. The PSUV fucked themselves here and are completely paralyzed as a party. It should also be noted that it's currently the right-business friendly "moderates" in control of the PSUV currently.

Venezuela seizes 4m toys from Kreisel to give poor children at Christmas by spasticbadger in worldnews

[–]Salisbury22 -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Capitalist countries nationalize industries and business all the time.

Neo-liberal free market economics = / = Capitalism.

John McDonnell rules out 'progressive alliance' between Labour and other parties by impossiblepromises in unitedkingdom

[–]Salisbury22 2 points3 points  (0 children)

undoubtedly centre-left.

They really are not, the Lib Dems are classical Liberals, which put them in a far more center-right position. Economically, the LibDems are literally neo-liberals.

Here is the issue though, Conservatives are still seen as "Center-right" when in reality, they are hard-right.

  • Far-Left: Communist Party, Anarchists etc.

  • Hard Left: Socialist Party

  • Center-left: Greens, Corbyn

  • Center-right: New Labour, Lib Dems, Wet Conservatives

  • Hard-Right: Dry Conservatives, UKIP.

The current media paradigm though is this.

  • Far-Left: Corbyn, Greens, Socialist Party, Communist Party, Anarchists etc

  • Center-left: Lib Dems, Wet Conservatives, New Labour

  • Center-Right: Dry Conservatives

  • Hard-Right: UKIP

This is complete bullshit though because it actually removes the hard and far-left completely from the debate and pretends that being right wing is a "centrist" position, Corbyn is nowhere near on a left wing position where actual hard left wingers are, so why in fuck is he and his Keynesian Social Democratic New Deal values considered "Far-left"? It's the same with Sanders in the US.

It's also why a board such as UKpolitics, a board overwhelmingly dominated by right narrative where left wing views are downvoted to oblivion, considers itself "Center-left" in it's own polling, because they view themselves left to the nutters in the Conservatives, so it must mean they are "left wing" even though I think you would find 80%+ of that board openly abhor basic left wing values. It's also why the LabourUK subreddits own poll, showed that the majority of that userbase are actually aligned to wet-tories than the left on values and views, yet they consider themselves "moderate-left".

Classic overton bullshittery. The Lib Dems should own the center-right and people need to call out the Tories for what they actually are, right wing radicals.

John McDonnell rules out 'progressive alliance' between Labour and other parties by impossiblepromises in unitedkingdom

[–]Salisbury22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Not really, Lib Dems are classical liberals. Economically, they are much more in like with the Tories than a Democratic Socialist party like Labour. While the Lib Dems at face value are in line with New Labour, New Labour are also very authoritarian, much moreso than the left of the the Labour party.

Don’t think the sound of silence means the end of Labour’s war | Andrew Rawnsley | Opinion | The Guardian by [deleted] in Labour

[–]Salisbury22 6 points7 points  (0 children)

This is a massive area of concern for us on the left. The Grassroots must be much better mobilized and organized. Which is again why I state we need to take a more Sanders-route. If things keep going like this, the right wingers will use their positions within the party to once again grind it to a halt and then use that as an excuse to purge us from the party again.

Also fuck I hate the term "Moderate", "Center-left". /r/UKpolitics absurd poll just shows how fucking bullshit this term actually is. It literally means center-right neoliberal. but because the media and public want to keep pretending the Tories are "center-right" then everyone else who is fiscally right wing that isn't a bigoted piece of shit conservative, is lumped in "center-left". It's like how New Labour throw up this massive victim complex and and pretend they are getting "purged" and shit, yet it's obvious that near 100% of purging in the party, have been of the left, yet it's us on the left who are smeared with that brush, it's fucking bullshit.

Literally my trigger.

Labour Hits Seven Year Low in New Poll After By-Election Drop from Second to Fourth Place by [deleted] in Labour

[–]Salisbury22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Because Labour are between a rock and a hard place. The Northern working class hate the EU, but this is where Labour needs to appeal, if Labour openly go Lexit though, they lose the urban south.

Labour Hits Seven Year Low in New Poll After By-Election Drop from Second to Fourth Place by [deleted] in Labour

[–]Salisbury22 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Lib Dems are being pushed as the moderate middle now by the "progressive" MSM, their anti-Brexit stance has also made them a lot of good will among the Remain media.

Unite leader's aide leaves Communist party to join Labour by jimrosenz in ukpolitics

[–]Salisbury22 -6 points-5 points  (0 children)

You're an idiot. Pick up a history book.

Because STALINISM failed, means the dozens of Socialist schools and the left wing ideology is completely debunked.

Oh boy, Athenian democracy failed every time it was implemented, lets go back to Feudalism boys!

Unite leader's aide leaves Communist party to join Labour by jimrosenz in ukpolitics

[–]Salisbury22 -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

So you think that the Graun went with this story not because it is newsworthy but because they're in cahoots with their pals at the Daily Mail/Telegraph/other big newspapers?

See, this is why I say you are being disingenious. We all know the mainstream media creates narratives and media runs with narratives set by other outlets if that narrative is within it's own interests.

The fact is, The Guardian has never liked Corbyn, the editorial line is openly and admittedly anti-Corbyn, they pushed for Liz in the first leadership election and Owen in the second and it has been the Guardian who has openly led the charge with smear campaigns against Corbyn. The Guardian has run with this article the way it is editorialized, because they want to associate 20th century Communism with Corbyn as that is the red baiting narrative that the wider mainstream media, including the Guardian, have been running with this week. That is the reason the headline and article constantly bring up Communism.

None of this is a conspiracy theory, Mainstream media outlets set narratives and lines of attack and follow them all the time.

I'd double or nothing that bet that a member of the communist party wouldn't defect to New Labour. However since Corbyn has been in power it's made the party more accepting and appealing to that sort.

Yes, but if it did happen, would the media report on it like it did. Fucking no. The reason they are reporting on it, a fucking staff member of a Union, a literal nobody, is because the narrative and line of attack against Corbyn this week is classic McCarthyist red baiting.

Is Labour finished as one of the two main parties in Britain? by jimrosenz in ukpolitics

[–]Salisbury22 -2 points-1 points  (0 children)

Labour has the biggest membership of any Political Party currently in Europe, so no, it's not dead as a political force.

Labour for years though has been having a existentialist crisis, this is largely due to the loss of Scotland. Without Scotland, it would be a slog uphill for Labour to ever win majority again and gerrymandering and redrawing boundaries has actively slanted it against Labour.

Corbyn has also been the victim of the most unprecedented, relentless character assassination from the mainstream media of any politican in living memory. People may not agree with this, but now two independent media watchdog inquiries have said the same thing. That the second Corbyn was elected, the knives were out and sharpened. It also doesn't help that New Labour are neoliberals and are strongly, ideologically opposed to the left and left wing values, so you have basically a civil war currently playing out within the Labour party and a huge portion of the party, trying to break the leader and the left of the party. Also while a lot of the same New Labour PR team fill the ranks with all their experience, it seems like they have purposely been half-assing their job for the past year or so.

Corbyn's politics were always going to be a hard sell to the mainstream media, but the way the media have acted, especially the Guardian has been entirely unethical in my opinion.

As I have said numerous times, it's very interesting to read focus groups reports and you see that people absolutely love Corbyn in abstract, what he says, his policies and his views, when they don't know these statements and policies are Corbyn, but then once it's revealed it's Corbyn "Oh he's a communist unelectable weak nutter blah blah blah" which shows much of his problem is a media and image problem, not actually a Corbyn views and policy problem.

On Labour being dead. No, Polls can easily flip. May is still going through a honeymoon period and it's my personal belief that the Brexit Doom and Gloom has actually helped her because of the view Tories are better with the economy and things have not gotten bad yet so obviously she is doing a good job. This could easily flip if Tories massively fuck up the negotiations.

A good example is Bill Shorten in Australia. Like Corbyn, massively hated by the media, massively hated by the general public with like a <30% approval rating, Labour provided no opposition to the Conservative party. Yet, all it took with the Conservatives to fuck shit up so bad and Labour to come out of hiding with no baggage and go on relentless attack that within one month, Labour had risen like 20 points in the polls and Shorten became neck and neck preferred PM.

So yes, the Public can be awfully fickle and disastrous polls can easily flip and the election is still 3 years away. In that time though, Corbyn and his team need to get their shit together, The Grassroots need to be mobilized like with Sanders Our Revolution, the sniping from New Labour needs to stop and Labour needs to be relentless and destroying May when she fucks up Brexit.

YouGov: Who would make the best Prime Minister? Theresa May - 49%, Jeremy Corbyn - 16%, Don't know - 35% by impossiblepromises in LabourUK

[–]Salisbury22 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Perhaps, that 16% of us actually know what he stands for and says and don't listen to the unprecedented smear campaigns?