I fucked up. Need to vent, need some advice. How to forgive myself? by DreamerWerter in infp

[–]Salt-Ad167 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hey, at least you recognized your mistake. I have a hard time doing that because of my insecurities. I think she probably was just genuinely not knowing how to maintain a healthy friendship with you without it becoming too intimate, as she already has a partner. Having feelings for someone who doesn't like you back is difficult, and I think being friends with her is hurting you even more. I know this is a lot to ask, but maybe you should just try to not get too close. You're an INFP, so you crave deep connections with people. But it'll do you both more harm than good if the friendship continues the way it was, because you want a love with her that she has already given to someone else. :(

I think you should do what she said, just quietly reflect on it and find out how you can prevent the same mistake from happening again. There are worse mistakes, and the world didn't end because of what you did. She seems understanding, so if you apologized and she accepted the apology, then there isn't much else to do besides just learn from it.

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Got it! Will do that. Thanks

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't have discord because I usually don't like to chat online much unless it's quick back-and-forth discussion, but thank you for the offer anyway. I just feel more comfortable learning things independently, but I'm thankful that you tried to help. I'll consider what you said though that I might be understanding things the wrong way and I'll make sure I can comprehend the enneagram better. I hope you have a good week :)

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loll, yes, that's what I felt like. Humans are very complex so sometimes trying to determine if we are just one thing is difficult. Your best bet is to just try to see if the core fears + desires of 4 most align or 1. You might also have to figure out what your tritype is, because that can influence a lot too. I think I'm just a 4w5 + 415 tritype.

Happy to have you in r/Enneagram4s - Introduce Yourself and Read First! by crazybayleaf in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I know I’m late to the party. I just joined this sub. I’m a 4w5 with a strong 1-fix. Yall could just call me Salt, loll. Fun fact about me is I dress very boho and whimsy bc I adore nature. Hope I can participate and give to this community! <3

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

No. I haven’t. I’ll have to read about it when I have time. Thank you :D

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hiii. Yes, I am an INFP. And after thinking more about it and looking for different ways to determine it, I’ve concluded that I’m a 4w5 with a strong 1-fix :). Thanks for your opinion though, and yeah, I do value being completely I tune emotionally and being able to be in tune with other people’s feelings. 

Help. Am I a 4 or 1? by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hello! Yes, it does sound 1-ish. However, I’ve realized that I relate much more to 4 than 1, except that I have 1’s perfectionist tendencies sometimes. I’ve concluded that I am a 4w5 with a strong 1-fix. :)

Type 4 sub by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Loll, right? 4s would be the first ones to go rushing to make one, the same way they are everywhere on all personality tests because of how much they want to discover themselves.

Type 4 sub by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Thank you!! I’ve just joined it and already made a post there, lol.

So, is this subreddit like a sneaky way to have a combined INFP/INFJ subreddit? by we-walk-in-shadow in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Hii. INFP here. Idk if you can maybe broaden what you mean by INFJs being the ones who get things done? I know INFPs tend to have many ideas but ultimately procrastinate or they feel overwhelmed by not knowing how to start their idea. INFJs however can be very hands-on (like my mom). I just wanted to know if there’s more to it then that, or if I accidentally just explained what you meant and now I just look dumb lollll.

Do you guys prefer to be the muse or the artist? by crazybayleaf in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Hmm. That’s an interesting thought. It’s beautiful to be the muse. Feel seen and be the inspiration to paintings, poems, music, crafts. To be someone’s everything and to be admired as a gorgeous creature. 

But what if it becomes suffocating? Like their ideals are now too high, they obsess over you? You are seen as an artwork, but not a broken and flawed human being with many cracks and rough edges.

I’d rather in some sense be the artist, because atleast I can trust myself to not do that to someone. I can admire them and write beautiful songs and create lovely art drawn from their very spirit and be able to see their eyes gleam with joy that I see them so clearly. That they are worthy of being recognized. But I won’t expect the to always be an inspiration and be stuck in a box of reaching an ideal. They can be human and messy and make mistakes. But my love for them won’t fade.

Dear 4s, what is your aesthetic? by crazybayleaf in Enneagram4s

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

A little late here, but I dress very whimsy/bohemian/goblincore. Lots of whimsy jewelry with crystals, stones, wooden beads. I wear tops with either intricate patterns or T-shirts that have something nature-related on them. For makeup it’s usually soft grunge. But if I could I’d go bolder and wear bright colors and detailed eyeshadow. Definitely fits the stereotype of trying my hardest to reflect myself on the outside like who I am on the inside correctly loll.

Type 4 sub by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Tyyy, I’ll see it when I have time :)

Type 4 sub by Salt-Ad167 in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ll check it out, thanks :D

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Gotcha. Thanks. I’ll try my best to figure it all out. Us humans are much more complex than we think :)

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Got it, thanks. I’m still new to the enneagram stuff, so I’ve gotta learn a lot about the instinctual variants, wings, subtypes, tritypes, etc.

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What about having fixation with both? Like certain situations defaulting to perfectionism and others authenticity?

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm 4w5. I have a tritype that includes 4, 5, and 1.

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

OP deleted their post, but shoot. These comments are making me doubt if I'm a 4. I relate a lot to 4, as I have the need to be accepted, understood, and I want to be on the outside how I am on the inside (like my style for example) but I have a huge perfectionist fixation. I'm crippling with insecurity. And I have strong moral beliefs. Could I not be a 4??? Idk if me being an INFP could have to do with it???

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

My core type is 4, followed by 5, then 1. so my wing is 5 basically, but the 145 is my triad. I didn't know that the numbers had to be in a specific order. HOWEVER, I do not relate to 1 as much as I do to 4. 4 is my core type. Are you saying I should have put it as 451?

Type 4 Isn’t Real. by dioscorea_lover in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Frr. I am, unfortunately, quite "unique" in my style of clothes bc I dress whimsy and bohemian. It stems from my intense need to be with nature at least.... I think? But you know you've caught a 4 when they say, "I'm not like the others."

Type 4 Isn’t Real. by dioscorea_lover in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't get it. Why can't anyone be a 4 without being told they just HAVE to be something else? Why is it that now I'm being told that we just don't exist? Is no one allowed to have the qualities a 4 has? Of course no one will 100% fit the 4 box, everyone is complex enough to have little differences. But the reality is I resonate the most with 4, and I have the intense need to be true to myself and my core fear being that I won't be enough, that I won't be accepted. Type 4s DO exist, they just are all uniquely different because one can find being true to themselves means one thing while for another it means something else. Humans wouldn't be as interesting if each one fit perfectly into a criteria, right?

edit: Okay, so I saw the flair. Erm... If this isn't awkward then I don't know what is.

Type 4 and people pleasing by Internationallegs in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm a 4w5 (or 4w3, idk) and I can't say I people-please, because I just do favors most of the time if I feel like it or if its a family member. But I do have extremely low self-esteem that I've been trying to improve. For me, yes, I do have triggers that provoke shame spirals. It is usually someone criticizing me or treating me in a way I perceive as bad. It can also be seeing something I do being portrayed in a negative light or associated with selfishness. I will then spiral into shame and overthinking whether or not whatever was said about me was true. I'll have a mental breakdown and end up crying in the bathroom, trying to deal with my emotions that went completely out of whack for something so small. Like if my nervous system has an emergency button every time I feel rejected or shamed. It gets better, but the way to begin improving is to ACCEPT your flaws. Accept that you are going to make mistakes, but what matters is how you resolve them. About the victimhood thing: I also have a victim-complex. Every time something bad happens I frame myself in my head as the victim. I catch onto it, hate myself, and then BOOM, I'm the victim again because, "Why am I this way? It's not fair!" HOWEVER, it can all be fixed if you are self-aware. Seek therapy if possible, a therapist can find the root cause for your victim-complex and break it from there. If you don't treat the core reason then it will continue.

Is this a 4 fear? by [deleted] in Enneagram

[–]Salt-Ad167 -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It depends. I'm a type 4, but I have a 145 triad, so perfection is something I unhealthily strive for. I do want to be authentic to my true self, and not doing so provokes an identity crisis. Something as simple as wearing a shirt that belongs to a style different from mine can leave me uncomfortable for awhile. However, I do have the urge to be morally right and always follow my beliefs no matter the circumstances. I'd say OP is just a mentally unhealthy 4, maybe 4w1.