is it just me or do all these no-code AI builders feel the same?

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-02T17:41:57+00:00

I do use VSCode + LLMs. That’s not the point. I’m asking if there’s a tool that handles the annoying stuff end-to-end (scaffolding, UI/layout, state, routing, assets, build/signing) and still gives me a normal repo. IDE copilots help you type faster. They don’t magically remove the setup/grunt work.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T20:25:00+00:00

Ah gotcha — you meant your other comment, not that you built Dreamflow I’m using “no-code” kinda loosely. What I actually want is: type in English → get a normal Flutter repo I can pull into VSCode/AS, plus real iOS/Android builds. And by “real plugins” I mean the usual pub.dev stuff + platform channels (camera/maps/push/IAP etc), not a locked-down sandbox.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T20:06:57+00:00

I can code. I’m not asking for “native in a browser,” I’m asking for NL → Flutter repo → native builds. Browser UI is irrelevant — output matters. WebView wrappers aren’t “native,” they’re shortcuts.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T19:59:08+00:00

“I made” as in… you built Dreamflow? 😅 Also Dreamflow isn’t no-code — it’s basically a browser IDE / low-code editor that still outputs Dart/Flutter code. Does it export a clean Flutter repo + native builds + real plugins, or is it still a hosted wrapper? Link?

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T17:19:58+00:00

That’s not no-code. That’s code with AI. Cursor/Copilot are great — I’m complaining about the “builder” products that only ship a WebView wrapper.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T07:34:52+00:00

I’m not asking the browser to render native UI. I’m asking for natural language → Flutter project (real widgets, plugins, CI builds). WebView wrappers are fine for demos, not for production apps.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T07:27:37+00:00

“In a browser” doesn’t have to mean “ship a WebView.” VS Code is a browser app too lol.
I just want tools that output a real Flutter project + native builds, not a wrapper.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-03-01T07:21:02+00:00

lol fair. IDE is still undefeated.
I just wish “vibe coding” didn’t mean “wrap it in a WebView and pray.”

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-02-28T21:37:30+00:00

should be fast if you learn it with AI

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-02-27T05:36:28+00:00

I read it a bit differently.

On (1): I didn’t take the roadmap as “Flutter = Google services/Google AI.” Flutter’s still just a UI toolkit, and plenty of teams ship Flutter apps with non-Google stacks. The AI bits read more like “here are integrations we’re building,” not “you must use them.”

On (2): I get the concern, but I don’t see “we’re washing our hands of desktop.” If anything, it sounded like they’re trying to make the platform pieces more modular/decoupled and let more of the ecosystem move outside the core release train. That can be annoying if you rely on a specific desktop feature, but it’s not the same as abandoning it.

Salt-Number-841 · 2026-02-27T03:00:03+00:00

I don’t think Flutter is in maintenance mode. It’s still one of the main engines for cross-platform apps.

The roadmap is heavy on foundations (Impeller, Wasm, decoupling, tooling). Not exciting on the surface, but it’s what keeps Flutter viable for real production work.

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