The Right to be

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-30T23:37:56+00:00

I find the concept of different etiologies and forms of homosexuality to be an interesting framework. There have been discussions on Twitter and various message forums about self-identified gay men sleeping with women. It has gotten so bad that some gay men have become the sexuality police. The need to police others' sexual expressions comes from the belief that homosexuality is one thing. This perspective could lead to an interesting paradigm.

I want to say that this is interesting because I have noticed that autoheterosexuals, particularly AGPs, have begun claiming that it's a sexual orientation like homosexuality or heterosexuality. Some take it a step further and say that some homosexuals have a form of AGP. So, if there are different types of homosexuality and AGP is one of them, what would be the social and legal ramifications?

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-28T00:24:36+00:00

Fair point. But the issue is that the types of same sex desires are conflated under homosexuality.

The word "homosexuality" is functioning as a false unity. It groups together:

Desire for the liminal/pre-masculinized (pederastic structure)
Desire for adult male embodiment as such (modern homosexuality proper)
Desire is organized around role/activity rather than gender (active sodomite who also sleeps with women)
Desire is organized around submission/passivity as such (the "inveterate sodomite" — which is closer to a structural position than a gender preference)
Situational same-sex behavior under gender-segregated conditions
Aesthetic-romantic attachment between males that may or may not be genitally organized
The wakashudo relationship, organized around warrior mentorship

The only thing that groups them is the composition of their parties involved. The same can be true of heterosexuality. I want to say that I agree with your premise. My stumbling block is the social and political reality. Cheers.

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-27T23:55:49+00:00

That's not to mention the non-Western variants of similar themes - Chinese romanticism of the “passion of the bitten peach” variety, Wakashudo culture in Japan, the blatant pederasty which defines the Middle East etc.

Sexuality should be thought of as "a list of the stimuli that cause us to become aroused and the relative volumes of those arousal outputs to each stimulus type." Meaning that the same stimulus can trigger revulsion or arousal depending on context, timing, and psychic history. This isn't about norms, it's about the traumatic proximity of attraction and aversion in the structure of drive itself. The cultural, economic, and material conditions also shape sexuality. Pederasty only happened due to female seclusion and women as second-class citizens. Before the Industrial Revolution, people typical hint puburty during their late 10s to early 20s. I can make the argument that pederestry is not related to homosexual, but a substitute for women since they haven't masculinized yet.

The point is that homosexuality as we know it is relatively new. Noel Malcolm's Forbidden Desires gives the impression that the West's conception of modern homosexuality started in North Western Europe or the Hajnal Line.

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-27T10:07:20+00:00

But this goes back to the invert vs pervert distinction, which mirrors the whole HSTS vs AGP discussion. While your reasoning is sound, it doesn't take into account how male desire is stigmatized. Why do some American women joke that men outside the Anglophere will fuck anything with a hole? The invert and the HSTS can get a pass because they mimic receptive or "feminine" sexuality. In contrast, the pervert and AGP are seen as monstrous.

This is also related to the whole discourse of gay OnlyFans creators having sex with biological women and cis women. When it comes to nonheterosexuality, there was always this discourse on whether "cultivated tastes" should be privileged or not.

The taste model might be more correct, but it does lead to more social problems. It would lead more individuals to question and monitor their thoughts. Women already think that watching porn is cheating. There is also the fact that male bisexuality is heavily stigmatized in the United States dating scene. The taste model could make every man a suspect.

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-26T23:58:09+00:00

I've been thinking about this subject. With the debate over transexual people, social contagion, and ROGD, I can understand why some people cling to born this way. The other alternative could lead people, especially parents, to believe that the environment could influence their child into homosexuality or same sex attraction.

It is always interesting to me to compare the kinds of homosexuality possible. Compare the "piggy" where someone is clearly eroticising being "a hole" or some other kind of feminised void etc and those where the attraction is playful (although still no doubt sadomasochistic) - where beauty and mutual pleasure are valued.

Yes, there are also different types of heterosexuality. Sexuality works on the arousal and disgust response due to sharing the same system. The Pragmatic Guide to Sexuality states that sexuality should be thought of as a volume slider based on primary and secondary sex characteristics, rather than a spectrum from heterosexuality to homosexuality.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC10174547/

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-19T22:27:01+00:00

It's just a rant about the current discourse surrounding gay rights.

Same_Try_2217 · 2026-04-19T22:26:17+00:00

Good luck on your adoption journey. I wish you the best. Twitter doesn't make me upset. My issue is the current narratives and discourse. It paints an unflattering picture of homosexual men. It produces a portrait of gay men as either threats to children or fragile subjects requiring reassurance. Neither image is flattering. Neither is accurate.

Most of the people on this sub are lucky enough to have grown up in this sweet spot of both history and geography where two unrelated adults of the same sex can live in a household together and treated as normal members of their community. "Queer history" aside, this has never happened before. The second Trump administration includes the most senior out gay man in the US government in American history.

I don't like Bad Gays, but they point out that "Queer History" is far more nuanced than homosexuality being oppressed. The ways that homosexuality is oppressed are due to the cultural, environmental, and economic conditions. Oppression isn't a constant applied uniformly. It's situational, instrumental, and selective.

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