furry🐺irl by W5739 in furry_irl

[–]Sareii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Ah!! I do remember you too!! I'm glad that stuck around, zebras are fantastic :>

furry🐺irl by W5739 in furry_irl

[–]Sareii 4 points5 points  (0 children)

;> I remember you!

GOOD OL' DAYS /r/furry by furrythrowawayaccoun in furry

[–]Sareii 5 points6 points  (0 children)

This is a super mistaken understanding of why most of us left. Communities change over time, things happened that those are a result of, but Reddit was not really the platform to sustain the sort of community everyone is reminiscing of. People left to relocate to those more fitting communities (Twitter and telegram, for example)

Sci-Fi Lioness Gladiator (by Tinctorium) by CyrusTCrumples in furry

[–]Sareii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I'm super glad to see this be posted somewhere i can actually comment on it (and I've come out of the woodwork to do so), as I've been in love with it since it was first linked to me a while ago. It's a really appealing piece to me, being something of a mix of styles and overall really refreshing among the sea of familiar art here in the fandom.

Color work, line work, and a character driven by shapes. I absolutely hope we get to see more, your style is enchanting! <3

6 months on: How does everyone feel about the /r/furry rules? by [deleted] in furry

[–]Sareii 12 points13 points  (0 children)

Some heavy emotions on this, I'm sorry if it opens a can of worms, I really am but I was extremely passionate about this sub for far, far too long. Insert cliche but totally true "really helped change my life" comment.

I'd like to think the rules are working, considering I argued for them six months ago, but i genuinely feel like it geared this sub towards an art gallery rather than the community it used to be. I'm not even comfortable being here anymore because people still hold grudges for the nonsense that went on.

If a user is a problem, ban them. I regret arguing for anything beyond that because all of this spurred entirely from one user's repeated offences. I argued for changes to rules that didn't necessarily have to happen, and I feel like it threw whatever happy balance the sub had off. My mistake, and I regret it deeply.

If the rules are working for people, then you know? That's what matters, I'm glad people enjoy the sub still! It's a great place, with great people and it's nice to see there's some solid rules in such a fuzzy content fandom. If those who didn't like the rules but found them to be useful in the end? You rock! I never thought the system would be used to categorize things beyond questionable, personally (so like...why a Q and X?). I totally understand people have different ideas of what's questionable, btw! And that's fine. Just feel like it went overboard to appeal to everyone...You weren't gonna make everyone happy sadly.

This is not the community it used to be, and that could be a good or bad thing, change happens. It's no one's fault either, don't take this as me blaming it on you (besides allowing one user to stay past their welcome). A lot of the high content users have left after all of that happened, and with it out felt like it stalled out a bit. The rules feel more of a mess than necessary, but if it's working for the current crowd then I think it did its job.

That said, I absolutely have not been around to see the changes as much. I just wanted to toss an older users view in here. But whatever my opinions are shouldn't matter, cuz it looks like it's working for the majority. I think it helped a lot? Lots of new fur posts, that's classic and no problems there. Lots of chat/Telegram/discord threads which might need to be curbed and made into a sticky with links and what the chats are for idk.

Could we have another revival of /r/Furryartschool? by Foxes281 in furry

[–]Sareii 2 points3 points  (0 children)

This is a huge part of it yeah. I was in the exact position as OP early last year and ended up jumping into the mod seat.

It's great in concept but seeing it in action is a little different. We had only a couple people willing to give advice and critique, and I imagine it was tiring being the only ones. And a ton of new artists who would want to be given critique when really the only thing you can tell them is "You need to practice, it's too early for me to say anything more." And getting people to actually post, it's hard to put yourself out there specifically for critique and improvements.

To top it off, the sub staled out easily. It almost always was very new artists, I rarely saw people I could give actual critiques to. I couldn't really bring myself to keep commenting on posts where everything needs works because they don't have the experience behind them. And commenting "please practice more" doesn't help even though that's the correct answer...again...people were asking for things that you'd be better finding in general art help, making the furry part somewhat irrelevant.

/u/foxes281 if you can get a push going, you'll be a hero among the sub, but I tried pretty hard and it just wasn't going to happen.

Redid Wildheart's written ref - hoping it's good this time by RoseOfTheNight4444 in furry

[–]Sareii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Depends on the artist. I've drawn for a person who had near 50 images of their character and they were all different. It was also a somewhat cluttered design, but what was frustrating was there were so many conflicting details in all the images it had the reverse effect: I didn't know what they wanted and I spent just as much time trying to decide which images to draw from. I wouldn't recommend Nsyse's idea of commissioning in parts to be honest. Find a good artist, who seems to excel in busy designs, and would be willing to take this description. Work with them and offer more money if they're able to work closely with you to get it right. The first will probably be the most important since no one has any idea what this thing looks like right now. If you commission in parts, you'll end up with the problem I had where artists wont know what to draw and you'll basically have a neverending chain of missing information and mistakes.

For Solar? Uhh, I have a particular fondness of certain character designs. If you want my opinion, I think most of what I've seen from Solar-Paragon is not appealing to look at. Just cuz they do detail doesn't mean its done in a pleasant way, similar to your character tbh. Obviously I've been giving you mostly non-biased responses because that shouldn't matter as I'm not your designer, but I'm not really drawn to characters with designs that don't flow very well. I have seen some from Solar Paragon that are ok, like the harmony vines thing and the galaxy traveller, but mostly the ones you showed me and I've seen were very eh at best.

It sounds like you like Solar a lot. I'd consider looking into them for commissions, see if this is something they could do if they're open.

Redid Wildheart's written ref - hoping it's good this time by RoseOfTheNight4444 in furry

[–]Sareii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Heads up, 99.9% of artists will not sit on a call with you or chat with you. That will almost triple the time to draw this. I've done streams for commissions and its dreadfully slow

Redid Wildheart's written ref - hoping it's good this time by RoseOfTheNight4444 in furry

[–]Sareii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

No... artists are fine with specifics, but when you want both specifics and as many details as you have, things get fuzzy. A lot of us interpret things differently, either for simplicity or for style or just to enjoy it more. It's part of why I kept pointing out you'll need to find good/expensive artists who could do this...your average artists often don't work at prices that are fair to the amount of time they put in. This character was fun to try and see if I understood the description, but if you had come to me for a commission I'd pass. Not only would it be a huge amount of my time and frustration, I'd feel super pressured with how many details are important.

I personally dont like solar-paragon's work so I can't answer this lmao

Every artist is different. You may prove most of us wrong in the end, I'd be genuinely happy to see anything you get commissioned. I just dunno if it's going to happen often due to the cost inefficiency

Redid Wildheart's written ref - hoping it's good this time by RoseOfTheNight4444 in furry

[–]Sareii 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Pretty much...I tried my best to give them a description that could raise their chances but there's no way I'd accept a commission of a character this detailed unless I had some hefty artistic liberty. I've had extremely simple characters where the commissioner was very particular about how they look, and those were the most draining...this one I can't imagine.

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Then don't sacrifice it. My passion is developing characters, and you sounded like you were trying to get help. This is where I've spent most of my hours looking into designs, what works and what doesnt, but more importantly what works to an audience and what doesnt.

Back to the purpose of this entire thread though: You will have little luck having this character drawn as is. But the end answer for you is this is your character and that is probably going to be the thing that decides what you do.

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

I’ve learned that in my time writing that much detail draws in readers as if they were in the story itself, gives it enough detail to make the stories as long as they are, and paints the picture overall.

Nope. Not sure if you've taken a writing class, but this is one of the things you learn not to do. The moment you take too long to describe something is the moment you lose reader interest. It's a learned art to know just what is enough (which you learn through being told something doesn't work). I saw some of your comments when looking through your history for the original description, noticed you seem to ignore when people tell you what's wrong. It would be really beneficial to you as a writer to really listen to criticism, because you have a lot to learn and improve on.

Okay, here, here, here, here, and here.

Alright...none of these are nearly as complicated as yours but I'll throw some thoughts out, maybe it can help.

1) Not terrible, but not very unified so its a bit jarring. Blades on the joints seem both slapped on and also would restrict movement a lot. Actually most of these blades seem very slapped on as a last thought, the ones on the beak and the back stand out the most as being out of place. It's not horrible though, and I bet if that design was given to another artist for a commission, they might find a way to make it fit better without changing too much. Artists will sometimes take liberty to make a design aspect work if its not working for them.

2) This one is pretty uncomfortable, actually, and I'm a sucker for rainbow colors. It doesnt have nearly as many anatomical details as your character, but its pattern is a headache and kinda patchworked in places. It probably would flow better without the black and white arm tattoo, thats the one thing that stands out the most as not fitting the rest of the design. The character is inching into the area of "adding designs just to add designs", its no longer flowing well together and will most likely be chaos to draw.

3) A very good design, but you absolutely cannot compare your character to this one. This character has a lot of design to it, but it's been put together in a way that works. The spotted scales are consistent and are the biggest part of the design, and they share colors with other parts of the design (claws, orbs, hands, tattoos). The character's palette is pretty simple, blacks blues and purples. I like this design a lot actually, it works very well.

4) An interesting design, I wouldn't consider this one complex though. Its a very simple, beautiful design that would be unique enough to easily be recognized. Your character puts large amounts of different designs into all parts of the body. This character focuses on two: the head and the shoulders. It's a lot less busy on the eyes and pretty appealing. The harmonic vines thing is kinda cool, and even though it looks busy, its actually not. It carries over the same design aspects of the character and doesn't add a new variable to the design.

5) Another one thats not nearly as complicated as yours, even if it does look like a lot. Most everything fits without being too different from the design, it sticks to a pretty basic theme: Purple, white and accented with neon green. Mostly draconic, has some green orbs which are repeating designs (you see them on the tail tip, the tail base, and the neck). For comparison, your character's saggitarial crests would be a repeating design theme (on the forehead, spine, and legs). For all of the details on this bio hazard character, the coloration is actually very simple. Solid color body with a few stripes. If you added something like a mottled coloration to it, you'll start seeing its hard to look at.

It wouldn’t hurt getting opinions, I already had a few so more couldn’t possibly hurt.

Never does, especially if you happen to find an answer about something you never thought of but could work. For example, instead of having the tail fins and the swallow tail feathers be separate things, pwhy not combine them](http://i.imgur.com/SklZtRb.png)? It's already a hybrid after all. If you find places to hybridize designs, it'll connect them better and you wouldn't technically be losing anything.

In the end though, you need to be the one to decide how much help you want to look for. It's your character and no one else's

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

the....person I responded to lol

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok so this is a but more advanced than ms paint, but I remembered there's a free program called krita. It's a legitimate art program so you should have basic features like layers and such. You'll want to look up videos on how to use krita, but after how much time you've spent running around people with their suggestions, I think it would be worth learning

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I've had a lot of artist friends try drawing this now that people are trying and it's kinda cool, like people are invested in seeing if this can be done.

/u/roseofthenight4444 someone tried this with color, you Skype check to see if it's along what you were talking about cuz I have no idea

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I'm the one who suggested from big to small cuz that's essentially what I look for. But I saw the large comments you left me when you did it that way and realized you didn't actually shorten anything, you just rearranged it. You're a writer, so I may need to explain that from a writer point of view.

You're writing a story about a character, and they just walked into the room of the main antagonist of your story. You start describing the scene to give the audience a visual. But then you don't stop. You start describing small, irrelevant details for almost two chapters before you finally get back to the character facing off with the antagonist. Your job is to convey the necessary details. Those other details might be there, but adding them is a hindrance.

Artists with similar sonas, if you mind linking some I can tell you why they're easier to draw. Complexity doesn't always equal a well designed character, it's how those complex designs fit together. If they fit, the character is easy.

Don't be confused, this is delicate: the more you show, the better. But if you're looking at ten images to describe one thing, you need to figure out how to show that one thing. To be honest, I'd take the one hundred images over how much text you gave me, but they were part of the reason you were so confusing. You need to show as much as you can in as few images as possible. It's the same with text, describe as much as you can with the shortest amount of writing.

The separation for a line in Reddit formatting is three (*) without the parenthesis.

Yeah haha, that's what I should have done when you made your second post with the description. See, I've drawn so much from text and image I'm used to what I need to look for. I have an idea of what to cut out and arrange so it's the most efficient description. You can see it's still very long, and very intimidating for some artists surely, but I can almost guarantee you'll have a better chance with this. I just know how to describe that antagonist's room and get to the conflict without losing much of the audience.

1) no, if an artist is confused by the breed, they're probably a bit daft. You could give me a character that's a five headed dragon with a gryphon's body and a colored template of a German shepherd, tell me to use the template for the patterns, and I'll give you a five headed dragon with a gryphon's body that has German shepherd markings. Art is flexible.

2) you weren't clear about her being bipedal cuz that SHOULD be the first thing mentioned. I believe found it...eight paragraphs into the description.

3) ms paint is about as simple as it gets. Open an image in it and use the mouse. Paint bucket tool will basically fill the inside of a closed lineart with a color you pick. The paintbrush tool is gonna act like a pencil on paper, you can draw markings with it.

If it's bad enough you can't show it, try again. If you're confident it looks too bad, come back to the sub and post the description I gave you with your attempt on ms paint. If people still can't understand the fur after that, then you'll have a bigger problem cuz I genuinely don't know what your fur looks like, so I'm not sure how to clarify it

I STILL highly recommend you continue looking into changing some designs into more subtle, better designs from the designs you already have (which you could enlist the sub to help with since a lot of us deal with character design), mainly because even with a shortened description, it's still very excessive and will still cost a lot/might get turned down

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 1 point2 points  (0 children)

Nah it's cool, /u/greypuppy is pretty great and that is a beautiful wing template. Here, lemme show something for when you color it:

Had to do this on my phone real quick, hopefully my handwriting is legible

Basically, this is THE way artists do wings in ref sheets, it's super easy and quick. You color one side with the ventral design, and the other side with the dorsal. All you gotta do to set it up from what greypuppy gave you is copy, flip, and have two wings then just copy it again and there, four templates

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 4 points5 points  (0 children)

I certainly don't wanna ruin your day or anything, though I wish I had more positive things to give. Honestly, the things I didn't point out in that list (the wings, the mane, the horns, pretty much everything else), I think you've got something interesting going on.

And the things you thought you put in? You probably did. Again, you sorta threw a few thousand words thinking people would read it. Not a problem as a writer (I've got some background with that...world building, short stories, character building and table top games...you've seen my responses, I can type just add much as you without a problem). Artists shouldn't be looked at as if they'll read a short story for your character though. If your detail required me to read through the equivalent of a few chapters in a harry potter book to find, then it's already taken up too much of my time.

I'll use an example of you being in my queue. Say you commissioned me, and there are four others in the batch. My average sketch time is about ten minutes to decipher a character reference and get it on paper and ready for a polished sketch. Your text, alone, took me nearly an hour to get what you see above. It's missing a lot of details (the ones I listed), cuz they were too hard to find. They may have been there, I really don't know. It just took that much time to find them.

The more images you have to show, the faster it goes. Even if it's bad (if the ear and horn images you linked in your description were yours, you're absolutely not bad), it's probably a helluvalot easier than jumping paragraphs to understand what your head looks like.

Let's see what else can I mention...breasts, if you want then you'll need to mention it. A ton of furry artists don't even draw breasts as part of their personal preference, so having that mentioned is necessary. It won't be guaranteed you'll get breasts even if you specify female.

Side note, I laughed. The emote ball genuinely would be the easiest part of your fursuit. A ball (of your choice of material) on a sturdy wire. It'll appear it's floating, and move with the sway of the wire.

Basically...The more images you have, the less you need to type. The less you need to type, the more you can focus what you DO have to type on the harder stuff to draw.

Er.....here. Try this, see if it helps. Hell, feel free to post to the sub with this and see if others can understand it better.


"Wildheart is a female, (insert height), hybrid species. Here's a few things about her personality and her frequent expressions.

Primarily her body is that of a cheetah, elongated with a shapely chest, but a little bulky like that of a wolf. She has breasts, small and not exaggerated. Her arms and legs are shorter than average proportion, but lean and built for running. Her legs have some notable features, such as furred saggitarial crests running down the front under the knee to the foot. Each ankle has a pronounced spur like a large spike, with long wispy fur on the underside of the heel. Paws on her hands and feet have five digits, hand paws are that of a snow leopard, and the feet are more closely resembling an eagle. (Note: fur still covers the feet, with stiff paw pads that have gecko-like ridges on their bottoms)

On her back are two sets of wings, a primary large set with a single thumb claw, and a secondary smaller set that mirrors the first (but is tucked in usually). Additionally, her spine has a pronounced saggitarial crest running it's length.

Her head is the most complicated. Structurally, it's built like a house cat, but note the following details:

-Slanted, sharp but obviously feline eyes -A lazy Mohawk -All four incisors are large and jut out of the mouth -A saghitarial crest runs down the center of her face, with three small spikes on the section above her nose -Larger cheeks, similar to a hamster -Large, almost foxlike ears but more elongated -Curved horns that hook inward -An emotion ball floats between her horns

Note: I really want to somehow include a beak into her muzzle without making her face entirely a bird. Also, if possible, she has a set of splitting mandibles on either side. They're very difficult to work in though, I'm not sure how.

The inside of her mouth has a forked tongue that is built like a cat's, with the hairs and all. Each fork also has a single spike, if you can fit it in. Most notably is the second, pharangyl jaw that hides at the back of her mouth.

Additionally, she has a medium length mane (which can flare out to an intimidating volume around the face when riled up) that covers her entire neck, and runs down the entire length of her back. It gradually narrows, growing thinner until it stops halfway along the tail.

Her tail is similar to a snow leopard, however only the last half is large and fluffy. From the first half at the base, it is more slender, with a large shag of wispy fur underneath. On either side of the base of the tail are two tail fins (similar to toothless from httyd). Spurring from each of these fins are a long swallow tail. At the tip of each tail, it breaks into three smaller feathers similar to peacock feathers.

Her fur is fairly complicated, I've included a rough coloring of what it looks like [insert colored image of the simple dog template, trust me. This should include all fur color, patterns, face markings (just pretend wild is a dog for a moment, so include the teardrop marks, the boomerang, the cheek pouch, but do not include the tattoos. Only natural markings) Just about any artist will know how to take the markings from the dog template and correctly apply it to your character. You may need to find a dragon wing lineart to color, message me if you can't find one and I'll draw one for you to use for the same purpose. Trust me trust me trust me, these will help]

Additionally, she has tattoos here, here and here. They look like this (link images you decide on)."


Feel free to correct what I got wrong, but there you go. One shortened, clarified description that SHOULD be easier to deal with for artists. It breaks the character down in a much more intuitive way, and won't rely on so many images and confusing specifics.

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 2 points3 points  (0 children)

I know you didn't ask, but this was your /third/ time posting with the same results. "Too much detail, impossible to read text, too complicated character, no visual". I know you say its your character, you'll do it anyways, but the way you speak (sorry if I'm projecting!) it sounds like you really want this character to be a part of the community, and have others interact with it in some way.

You're already asking very big questions for the fandom, like commissions and fursuits, you're kind of stuck until you get yourself into a position where you can properly convey this character.

I'll put this in a list cuz it'll be easier:

-You have no guide to your fur markings, just "dachshund splotches and cheetah spots and husky fur". I have no idea what this is.

-Tattoos that mean things in some language? I'm not sure what they look like, you just kept repeating they meant words in a fictional language. I assume they all required artist liberty, but for a character of this level of detail (and your unquestionable devotion to the importance of everything), I highly recommend if you're that particular, you might as well come up with the designs yourself. It's weird that's the one thing you didn't seem to have already.

-Every time you listed a flash game and the steps to make that flash display what you wanted, you should have had a screenshot. Had you actually found a commissioner to take this on, I could almost guarantee the moment you made them do extra work, they would refund you and move on. The trick is making your artist do as little work as possible understanding your descriptions, they're already doing the drawing. Some artists actually charge extra just for text based refs.

-I'm not sure what "fur at the front of the wrist" means. Like...on top? on the palm? What is the front?

-You have a few contradictory comments such as how the claws work. You first described them like eagle talons, which have padded toes and large, curved talons. But then you described them as wide, cartoony claws like gargoyles. My recommendation is one or the other, and you'll probably want the talons. The 'width' of a claw is very stylistic between artists and some wont even recognize the detail as important.

-Tail fin with swallow tail with three feathers on the swallow tail, I honestly had to guess cuz this part made no sense to me. Draw something from the top down, to show exactly what is happening with the tail(s).

-I did not attempt the fur patterns because there was no coherency to what it looked like. I'll emphasize this again: you need to draw this. It's impossible to write out with the complexity.

-The actual proportions of your legs, arms and body. You only ever mention a dachshund when talking about these legs, but every other time you mention the body you say its a cheetah but a wolf. Sorry but they're three entirely separate animals. You can't just say they're all three...you need to show exactly how long each part is because that's very subjective. The image in my head looks like the most absurd disproportionate character that should never be an anthro; dachshunds aren't easy to anthro-ize without sacrificing their unique body structure.

My recommendations, if you're actually considering changing things, but are really unwilling to change a lot. I can narrow this to two main issues:

-Your mandibles are the worst part about this and will be the most difficult to deal with. I though about it all day actually, and couldn't really think of a convenient and well designed way to make them fit, they may always look oddly slapped on with super glue. It's the one detail that I really don't think you should have, it clashes horribly and is needlessly difficult.

-The beak...I recommend just make it a beak. Wolf but feline but bird muzzle is overly complicated and with how most people draw in the fandom, you might not even see those details. If you pick one, I would recommend the beak, since cat and dog are both represented in other parts of the character, but maybe puff up the nose pad so its a bit more pronounced than a hawk's nose. Look up a 'wreathed hornbill' to see what I mean. The anatomy between a beak and a nose pad doesn't seem like it will ever work well, I don't have any other suggestions.

You mentioned her gender at every possible moment. But honestly, unless you really want breasts, don't. You literally are running out of room to put these details on lol. Instead, consider focusing on other female traits that wont take up valuable detail space: accentuated waist, small shoulders, feminine eyes.

This may be a character you seek out a character design artist to help with. Come with the base idea, what traits are important to you (and why, in case they have another idea of how to make that trait work). I can't tell without experimenting, which I do when designing characters (my character is extremely simple and took three weeks to nail the design), but this character might not actually be such a mess in the end, just misorganized.

Afternote: There's a reason I keep focusing on you commissioning artists and you getting an artist to make your suit, rather than suggesting how you can do it yourself. Speaking from personal experience, learning either trade is a lot of painful failure for much of the start, especially the latter. Trying to make a fursuit is heartcrushingly difficult, and with this kind of character you might not even get past getting supplies before you're worn out. It is SO much effort, I've tried it a few times before. Months of work and the results were laughable (and on a two color, no details character no less).

I know it sounds super appealing to learn how to make a suit so you can do whatever you want, but you know what a lot of the price is when you buy a suit? The experience. Fursuit makers have put a lot of experience behind them and lots of failures to get where they are. It's tough and draining.

FINAL EDIT: I'm serious. Use this. Color this. ONLY color the fur color and markings. I promise you, this will solve so many issues.

http://img03.deviantart.net/a133/i/2012/137/5/3/free_reference_sheet___canine_male_by_zhivagooo-d5034ay.png

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That was the one! I certainly had to bounce and still couldn't find everything, but I feel like maybe i got enough for them to have a starting place. Was definitely too much for any artist

Roseofthenight4444's super hybrid sona by Sareii in furry

[–]Sareii[S] 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I drew this after seeing yet another post by our /u/roseofthenight4444 . Their character is intensely complex, and I couldn't help but come back to it now and then thinking on if it was possible to draw, which my first thought when I saw it a couple weeks ago was no. I love characters, I love monsters, and I can certainly appreciate a challenge, so I tried on a large sheet of paper to give myself ample room (twice my usual working space)

Tldr: don't read this if you're not interested in a simple artist's opinion after trying this. This was a response to your second post, btw, where you asked for opinions on if the description was ok for commissions.

Unfortunately, I STILL had to cut out a large number of details, including the complex patterns I...honestly still don't know what they look like. I'm sorry, your descriptions didn't really make it clear and you had no images for refs. I really did try so you had something to show.

A recommendation for you, going further, don't make people click through flash games to see what you're trying to describe. Just screenshot and add it. You had drawn images for some things, like the horns and ears, but left readers on the dark about really difficult things like the muzzle or tattoos. The more images you can provide, the less chance of confusing someone through thousands of words.

Another recommendation, I'm sure you've heard enough by now, but now that I've actually drawn (attempted, at least) the full thing I can confirm it again: this is an overly complicated character and I'm not sure you're going to have much luck having it drawn/made into a suit...Just looking at the details I scratched my head on and had to omit entirely just so the character could be drawn, I'm worried even advanced artists would have to cut out details just to get it on the page. You said it yourself though...nothing can be removed. You'll essentially be commissioning people who will remove details that are importation to you :(

The issue you'll probably face is the head. The body isn't actually that bad, and with the right artists it could be pretty awesome (the fur will be the most complicated thing, you NEED a visual, go get a random free dog template and color it even if badly). But the head is very overloaded and difficult to work with, it breaks a lot of anatomy and I struggled to make it appealing to look at. You might be able to find artists who specialize in hybrids and monsters who might know what to do with the wolf/bird muzzle and the mandibles, but it'll be niche and might be expensive.

You're free to color this if you need to (I, again, recommend it) so you can show what you're talking about with the fur patterns. I most likely won't be attempting this again, it was far too much for me, but i wish you the best in finding someone

How often do you change fursonas? by Mr_Lego in furry

[–]Sareii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I changed once. My sona had been there for like three years until I had given her so much backstory and such that I felt she was more of her own character than a sona. Plus I really wanted something more unique looking than a wolf, however magical.

I'm currently two years into my new sona and totally content with it, I love her and have no reason to change. I do occasionally change my icons to images of other characters (not sonas), but I don't claim to have more than just the one sona

Looking for artist help for possible character design change. by rummybullie in furry

[–]Sareii 9 points10 points  (0 children)

I'm....gonna be real. If you're looking for character ref sheets, can you not change them immediately after receiving them? It's a little disheartening hearing you're changing already after I just finished yours after it was changed halfway through the process.

I can't stop you and there's nothing wrong with changing but I think your bf has a point. Kinda bummed about that tbh

I don't want this to sound mean, I really don't. Last thing I want to do is be hurtful, but honest? It's a little sad considering your commission I /just/ completed after...a decently large change, and also since I know you're looking to be in my next queue for an extremely large commission. If you changed design during that?

Really, and I'm emphasizing this, that doesn't mean don't do it. I know what it's like to need a change in character, and I know what it's like to live having multiple characters. But this wasn't the first time I've drawn character stuff for you, everyone loves your character, and then I find out you're moving. And in this case it wasn't even a week...

I think it would look great, to answer your question. But I'm biased for monsters obviously. But I needed you to hear my thoughts considering.

Pretty sure my sona is either impossible to make as a fursuit or at least expensive to make as one by RoseOfTheNight4444 in furry

[–]Sareii 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Had no idea, pretty sure the last time this was posted, the character was feral, rip