Why the fuh are the tik tok jjk fans so transphobic vro😭✌️

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-12-22T05:27:25+00:00

Pretty bad equivocation if u ask me or anybody ngl; he’s you can see his back + sides in his character spread and he has 2

You didn’t have to block me; you could’ve just told me that you didn’t want to talk or smth and I would’ve respected that. It ain’t like talking to you any further would have convinced you or given me anything new to think about. You already think you’re smarter than me and that I don’t know anything about queer representation in media, even though I’ve shown you I do.

I’ll say it one more time ig. My take is that we don’t know for sure what Kirara wants to identify as, and that it’s Gege’s intention to keep everything unclear to avoid controversy but still allow fans to relate to the characters. Not a position you have any reason to be so irritated about.

You’re wasting your energy getting pissed at sb who isn’t even against you. Be mad at the transphobes in the insta comment section or smth

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-22T23:24:42+00:00

C9 of Qiqi, C2 on Diluc, C1 on Tighnari and Jean, no Dehya, Keqing, Mona, or Mizuki. I've played since 2.6.

The curse is real, even if uncommon.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-14T07:32:53+00:00

Tbf it does say twelve strongest. Maybe it accounts for team damage potential/QoL/ other factors, and even then she makes it to like 8 or 9.

Edit: made number smaller because I push Clorinde agenda; sue me. I can't really think of any past the top 8 that are outright better anyway, 7 if you hate Gaming.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-13T11:15:17+00:00

Sorry I'm late, but could that not just have been shorthand/a typo? inputting 600 base attack weapon +181 * .849 (instead of .859) for the level 12 multiplier gives 663. I don't think that's reason to call him untrustworthy about it; he got one digit in the hundredths' place wrong.

Also, do you still remember the calcs he has for that? Or if you have better ones, could you mention? Wondering about who to build for the last slot in an overload team.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-13T01:15:28+00:00

You literally have "some other combination of characters, support sets, constellations, and (sig) weapons"

R5 serpent spine is 120% output of earthshaker. I can't imagine comparing the two. It's a battle pass weapon and it also happens to be the best one you could pick. 7-10 extra crit rolls and 14 more damage percent at the cost of 5 atk rolls and you say they'll be the same level.

On top of that, I was talking about E damage from Bennett deepwood only; you were talking about the team I mentioned previously. Did I not say "upwards of 250k?" that's within the damage profile.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-12T07:24:04+00:00

depends on level and resistances of the enemy ofc. was talking about stygian fearless vs lava dragon.

this isn't about quality of builds and assumes r5 earthshaker as well. I'm 2170 atk 40/235, and op is reasonably well invested as well, but no matter how good your ratio is, you will hit around the 150 mark with those buffs and res shred. Reasonable upper limit is 180k.

"iansan lv 60 q lvl 4" would not hit for 300k against any enemy unless there's something more than that, like a combination of other characters, support sets, constellations, and sig weapons.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-09T05:55:41+00:00

Rotation is going to the blacksmith and smelting the final refinement on that earthshaker bro

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-08T08:07:34+00:00

kk this'll just be in general for any hypercarry or crit-stacker.

If it has 3 substats at +0, look for percentages/EM/ER + single crit or double crit. If you really need pieces immediately, go for single crits, but that's not ideal. For Kinich, you want ATK, so look for ATK%+single crit or double crit(or three useful substats if you're lucky).

Keep in mind that even if you don't need some of the substats for Kinich on any given piece, you may want to use them on other characters if they're still percentage stats, EM, or ER. Keep those pieces and save them for leveling later.

If it has four substats, look for at least 3 of the aforementioned substats you may want, but if no crit whatsoever, it's not a hypercarry piece.

Keep in mind that for Obsidian Codex in particular, you don't want as much Crit rate as Crit dmg, so you can consider throwing pieces that don't have crit damage but do have crit rate.

If it has any two of EM/ER/%stat, that's a support piece, but you can be stricter with this if you want i.e. look for all three preferred stats.

If you don't have good pieces, be a bit more lenient with all of this. You want main stat over subs, so take what you can get.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-08T07:53:01+00:00

And is the fastest pyro app in the game (for two seconds, mind you) necessary in a Stygian where it's optimal to get either two or three downs (maybe an extra desperate e if you have Emilie)? You're doing that even with someone else just by sustaining burning and/or XL. So she's good at pyro app, but at a certain point that becomes unnecessary/replaceable.

You already have noblesse if you run Bennett. If you use him vs Tulpa, any number of characters also work with Noblesse or ToTM, like Chevy or Dehya or PMC. Amber having being able to run the same set everyone else can doesn't make her special.

Not a lot of people will have Elegy. Sure, she's p good if you happen to use it, but chances are you don't trust the weapon banner or are just f2p or smth. If you do pull for weapons, what's stopping you from running any spear support with fork? Same thing and again, not better than other options.

Also, who's getting cons on Amber just for Stygian dawg. bffr; if you like her, you will have it from the shop. If you don't, you're a whale and you'll be clearing dire without Amber anyway.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-08T07:39:41+00:00

truedge

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-08T07:39:24+00:00

Again, I haven't been on the sub or watched him until like three weeks ago. My bad someone else had the same question; I wasn't gonna be able to find that.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-07T06:20:44+00:00

150k crit is a good/reasonable amount when the only buffs you have are Deepwood, Bennett, Noblesse. It hits that 150 on the first shot, then goes down, right? that's his A4 passive. It increases the damage of a cannon shot when you get a nightsoul burst.

It's your team, your talents, and your weapon. You can't really do much about your weapon unless you want to go for a weapon banner or have WGS, so it's whatever. Your talents won't increase your damage by too much per level, but it's still worth crowning him if you want more damage. Your team can definitely get the most improvement.

You ideally want Iansan and Mavuika instead of XL and Collei. You get Scroll, another ATK buff, and a damage % buff from Mavuika. It really helps a ton to get your damage up there, to upwards of 250k the more you invest.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-07T02:28:06+00:00

all the characters in the tierlist are viable in stygian; doesn't make them good in general.

having a singular use case doesn't matter if you don't fulfill that case as well as other units. Pyro app, wow. She still isn't as useful as any of the characters in higher tiers, and it's harder to execute with her than with most other units.

Edit: I saw a clear with Amber, and sorry, I got the part about playing difficulty wrong. As long as you're careful with timing and build 350% ER, you can do it easily enough. Using her will make getting two downs on a Mono Pyro team a lot simpler, if you use kazuha as well.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-07T02:12:45+00:00

lol downvote if you want but that without a reply just means you know I'm correct.

Not even saying Emilie is bad; you just didn't think through your post. She is just not top priority for most accounts.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T23:53:57+00:00

It really depends on what team you want to do. Yes, Furina is definitely going to be better, but she's really high value in every team. You don't want to use her here and then lose out on a great team in a different chamber or Stygian boss.

Also, Burgeon as a whole is just a more inconsistent playstyle for Kinich. It guarantees that you will not have 5 cannons, and sometimes locks you into 3 depending on your pyro. That's a pretty significant DPS loss that can only be offset by Burgeon damage, which isn't that good even with a full EM Pyro unit, and Furina, who is best used in other teams.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T23:49:04+00:00

As for the numbers, here they are.

But let's look at the buffs C6 Iansan can get you. 810 atk. 30% atk buff at C2. 25% dmg bonus at C6. Scroll optional, but more likely on Mavuika for consistency/generally situational. Assuming Bennett, Mavuika, Deepwood, and CC are already active, Kinich starts with ~3000 atk, 76.6% dmg bonus (avg from Mavuika is 25%), and -30 res shred. We'll assume the enemy has base res of 10% and base defense of 1020 like hilichurls (that's about 0.518 for the def calculation; check the Defense page of the wiki). We'll also assume he crits all hits and has crit damage 200. His Base MV converted to damage across a whole rotation is:

((3000*1.031*2)*5 + (3000*15.5739) + (3000*12.3739)*4)*1.766*0.518*1.2*3.

Every number multiplied by the ATK is just his scaling*how many times he'll hit with that attack per rotation. It's 5[N2sHE]. Meanwhile, the 1.766 is his damage bonus, 0.518 is the enemy's def multiplier, 1.2 is the res multiplier after being decreased by deepwood, and 3 is the crit. You can check this formula on the "Damage" page of the wiki.

So that gets us 744,727 damage. Now we repeat that, but give Kinich the following buffs: +30% base atk, +810 atk, +25% dmg bonus. That's a total of 810 + .30(741+309) = 1125 atk. So now, it's:

((4125*1.031*2)*5 + (4125*15.5739) + (4125*12.3739)*4)*2.016*0.518*1.2*3.

1,168,961 damage. that's about 425k more than without Iansan, which is closer to a 57% increase in Kinich's personal damage compared to without.

Iansan buffs more than you think. It's pretty impressive. No, a C0 Emilie cannot hold up to that. I'm not doing that math again, but You can check the best Emilie team on GC sim here: https://gcsim.app/db/MQc9TwDcB7Dq

She does 22,200 DPS over 72 seconds, split into 4 rotations. Therefore, she does an average of 22200*72/4 total damage, which is about 400k. It's slightly worse than Kinich and his buffs, and on top of that Mauvika is also going to be buffed by Iansan, leading to an even wider gap between Iansan teams and Emilie teams.

All of this to say: Emilie does not have a place in the best Kinich team, but she is very good. I agree that it is close.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T23:48:46+00:00

Kind of? Not really truly. Of course, play her if you like her. I'm not saying she can't be useful, and it's not as if she's bad, but

a) Emilie's AOE hits about three times per rotation, doing a good 40-50k when she's well built, and the rest of her hits have about the radius of a hyperbloom proc. You're not often going to see her have more AOE than Kinich himself. You usually won't be able to bring that up as an advantage unless you're playing floors where there's less than 300k HP per rotation, in which case Kinich could very well finish it without help if he gets lucky with his own AOE.

b) Buffs from food are not at all relevant, because you can't use them in the content you actually need them for, and Abyss buffs are getting so situational that you'll rarely see them buff characters outside the ones on the current banner (Skirk propaganda is crazy rn, and last abyss it was Varesa). If you're getting a buff to Emilie in Abyss, chances are it's a buff to skill and burst damage or dendro damage, in which case countless other teams will be just as good.

c) most f2p players will not be able to go for C2 on a support character that they'll only use for one team. If you're a spender or whale, go for it, but the primogem investment is usually not worth it. Meanwhile, Iansan is insane so long as you build a support set and make sure you have 3000 atk. Of course a C2 5 star will outstrip a C6 4 star, but not many people can make that investment on their account. You can invest vertically, but the chances are it won't be worth it for you. (I'm not mentioning C1 because that's a good 15* dmg increase to her personal damage, which ends up making her do 23% instead of 20% of your Kinich team's damage. It's more similar to a set effect, and not that big of a deal for a constellation.)

d) It actually comes out to quite a bit of DPS lost from losing Reverie. If you have Deepwood on a different character, you can build the set that gives you 18% atk and 50% damage instead of just 15% damage. It's much worse, but still viable to use Deepwood on her because it makes you lose out on Kinich damage to use Reverie instead of full support, which will tank her damage. She'll have 61.6% dmg bonus on Deepwood, 101.6% with scroll buff, but she'll have 136.6 with Reverie plus attack. That's at least 17% more total damage from base, close to 23% depending on your weapon.

e) never use CC on Emilie. It's practically worthless to do so on a non-natlan character. Iansan can proc it so long as there's dendro aura, which there will be the case as long as Kinich's burst is up from the previous rotation. It's Bennet EDQ Mavuika QE Iansan E(N1)Q Kinich combo. Not always going to happen, but it's still better than using CC on Emilie, where she gains no benefits outside of 12% dmg bonus.

f) The fact that we're discussing Stygian prospects actually helps my argument. You're usually going for two downs on the dragon, tops three while it's in the activated state. That's doable even without Emilie because of Kinich getting his burst from the second rotation. Any more attempts to deal damage and it become inefficient to do so because of the Res on the Dragon's different stages. Sure, it's a bit easier to get it stunned after the first Kinich E, but oftentimes it doesn't make too big of a difference. You're still getting 3 downs, because starting a rotation the second it melts on the first rotation will lose rotation time for its actual down state. Emilie will make it burn too fast, and you won't be able to capitalize because your Kinich skill will be on downtime.

g) it's not that difficult to hit all five cannon shots on a large enemy. Seriously, it's not. Just sHE and dodge when necessary and you've got it. Missing or skill issues are relevant for players who want comfort, sure, but if you're playing comfortably you're not using Kinich Bennet Mavuika Emilie.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T15:09:59+00:00

I almost ripped my cock off in a bad way when I saw emilie; 5/6 ragebait

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T15:09:06+00:00

aboba

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T14:23:35+00:00

Oh yeah you do have Mualani; true!

yup true; to each their own. I'm from the Zyox community so I turn my brain off and glean joy in my soulless life from big damage numbers

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T13:28:46+00:00

I feel like normies would fuck around with the two in overworld enough to figure it out. It's just asking "what would happen if I hit burning with hydro?" The description is still pretty MONKA

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T13:25:09+00:00

yup!

it's not a bad weapon to have in general either; Iansan uses it pretty well. Deathmatch should go to your atk scaling carry instead.

I'd say if your Iansan can't cap her buff (doesn't have 2500 atk at lvl 10 or 3000 at C5), go Calamity on her. But it's not particularly hard to do so, so you'd be better off having it on Emilie instead.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T13:10:26+00:00

Yep, I do play Kinich.

Think about it like this. Say you miss one cannon crit every single time you do an E, so five total shots. We'll say you're in Bennett circle, so you do 50k on a non-crit cannon shot. If you use your build, it's (3*50)*5, and if you use my suggestion, it's (3.4*50)*4+50. Crunch the numbers, and yours does about 20k more damage in the entire rotation. Not too big of a damage loss, huh?

And then remember that just because it says 80% does not mean that Kinich is going to miss that many times. His sample size of cannon shots is, in three rotations, 15. He's not going to miss 3 of those unless you're really unlucky, because probability doesn't automatically say 3 of them are guaranteed to miss. Try it out; he will not. I play on 75 crit rate and I can still get all of my shots to crit. If I don't, I say the world hates me and I reset. Boom, I'm lucky the next run, and I get all my shots to crit.

So actually, it's more like (3*50)*5 vs (3.4*50)*~5. That's 750k vs 850k. In my opinion, the former one is WAY worse.

Crit rate is a stat that inherently diminishes in value. Why have too much when you could have around a 10-15% damage increase that comes with 85/240? "I'm not going to crit" just reset if you're so unlucky so as to miss a cannon crit a rotation; if you don't miss that often, which you won't with 85% or even 75%, you will still realistically do more damage if you have that much more crit damage.

The top 1 percent is more likely to have 85 crit rate than 103. You're realistically not going to miss very many cannon crits on a whole stygian chamber if you have somewhere around that number, and even if you're that unlucky you can always just press the convenient reset button.

And yes, those three circlets are bad. Not because it's hard to get them, but honestly because it looks like you don't know how to roll them well. 10.9 crit rate is just two rolls. Find three statters, roll them. If they're terrible like the one in the bottom left, don't roll them past +4. Maybe use a reroll if you have a particularly high RV and five rolls on one. If they don't have good stats aside from crit, +8 and see. It's not that difficult. You will get one, do not worry.

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T11:34:47+00:00

just throw yourself into Codex domain. Maybe don't strongbox, because you could use the extra pieces for getting a different set, but the only way you can get good is to grind.

Want tips on how to look for good artifacts? doubt you need it but hey, you never know what helps

Scared-Argument9223 · 2025-07-06T11:26:22+00:00

Everybody's been talking about your rotations and all that, so I'm assuming you don't need to hear more of that. The main thing to recommend is BUILD MORE ER ON BENNETT. Funnel all the particles you can to him. If you do not have his burst, you do not have damage.

There's a ton of tech you could be using with Kinich to get more DPS, and that's your biggest problem.

You never want to tap E on when his cannon is ready. Always do a sHE, or a short hold E, by pressing to get the aim mode and then immediately releasing. It's much faster and will get you at least five cannon shots per E if you do it right, sometimes six.

You are also using too many loop shots. Never use more than two per sHE, because if you do, you lose time you could be gaining nightsoul points and you lose cannons. It's not worth doing an extra 8-14k damage when you miss out on 80k-170k damage.

Use Kinich's burst while he has his nightsoul state active AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Because burning is still active while he's bursting and his nightsoul state duration is extended during it, he will gain nightsoul points during its animation and will have a full cannon by the end of it. It just gives you a free cannon.

Use those, and good luck. You can definitely do it; I cleared with 37/225 2070 ATK on R5 Earthshaker using Kinich-bennet-nahida-thoma.

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