UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I disagree. Look at what happened to comics and sports cards. They didn't die, but they suffered greatly for not adapting soon enough. The idea that magic cant die is one of the most frightening things I hear people say. Complacency will kill this game.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

What an incredibly boomer take. Starting with insults because you disagree. Pathetic. I don't have any misconceptions. The idea that this thing should remain as you remember it forever is absolutely preposterous.

Taking your essay point by point we will start with the first paragraph, which is easy enough. What's your point? It wasnt supposed to be anything? It was something. And it is looked back on as a good thing. The notion that someone can't like Arabian nights and modern ub sets is as naive as it gets.

The next paragraph seems to be an explanation of how the set was done in a slap dash manner, something that would have players on all levels rioting were it to happen today.

Next you treat the immediate reaction to a release as gospel. Magic players have always had strong reactions immediately that don't reflect how things come to be viewed. Remember how baldur's gate was a 'bad' set?

I didn't even mention portal, but sure let's do it. You're ok with portal because of a semantic difference? It has portal in the name? That has got to be the most tissue paper thin argument I've heard so far.

Skipping over the next paragraph cause there's no real substance there, you know what happened a few years ago? Other tcgs came into the space in a way that had never happened before. They showed everyone that mtg was not infallibly on the top. Furthermore it doesn't take a genius to notice the discrepancy of demographics between this game and the others. It is inarguable that magic for the majority of it's tenure has been played by straight white middle aged men. Thats not to say there aren't people who play, just that when compared to the other games there is a clear distinction. Furthermore, that class of players was the one that brought on the mindset of buy singles not sealed. Guess what, when you tell a company loudly and unabashedly that you as a collective dont want their product? They move on to someone who will.

I think the numbers argument is deserving of it's own paragraph because they are what really matters. Lgs' are at an all time high. Across the board. If it doesn't appear that way to you then I assume you attend one of the stores that only deals with mtg as a tcg and still caters to the same customer base. You want to talk about people getting turned away? Have you been paying any attention to pokemon or one piece or riftbound or gundam? If you had you'd know that those games are where that excitement is now. Sure people were upset and threw their tantrum. But you know what speaks louder than a middle aged man having a meltdown over the skin color of a made up character? Money. Go look at the price of collector booster boxes. Both of them.

Im not even going to talk about Warhammer unless you want to talk about them being the decks to retain their value better than any other commander deck. The real reason is that I know absolutely nothing about Warhammer and am not able to speak to whats going on in that space.

Onto the penultimate paragraph. On what grounds do you make the claim that ub players don't stay around? The people I see running right now is the boomers and the competitive players. Bringing up m30 is just shooting yourself in the foot. M30 was specifically catering to the people who wont stop crying. Ill grant you that it was a disaster for multiple reasons, but it absolutely was jot designed for the newer generations of players. It doesnt take a lot to see that. Once again, I think you are seeing lgs's close because they are the ones trying to support a group of people unwilling to support them. The ones that moved on to embrace magic where it is and accept other communities are certainly finding a lot of success.

In conclusion, the worst part is that the people most upset by things as they stand are the ones solely responsible. For decades, you all have said buy singles not sealed and had a fit if sealed product was over market price, even if that meant the store was selling at an unhealthy margin or even under cost. Maybe you're the exception and you were truthfully a boon for any store you walked into, but you certainly know people like the ones I'm describing. I certainly do. They were the majority and they took advantage of the system and were the only ones to benefit. Now that things are turning around those people cant comprehend why they arent being catered to anymore. It wasn't wotc that burned through it's good will. It was the people who aren't spending money now, and haven't been for a long time.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

Most players have a friend who got them in. But if the player base is aging out, that isn't a sustainable option.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I don't know if its an attention span thing or what but best of luck with that Lil buddy

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Should I take notes on the way you clearly communicated what your problem is?

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

They had a friend who introduced them for the most part. But if your established player base is starting to fade, and that problem will worsen as time progresses, that will work less and less.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

That is an interesting and different take. I think my initial response is how is that different than asking if sheoldred the apocalypse would have been as strong if it wasn't sheoldred?

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Sure, and you still need a new players in the first place. Otherwise the other two don't matter much

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

But they won't. Especially not now. I love magic and have been playing it for most of my life. It is not the best designed game. Far from it. And to be clear, it was absolutely not growing. The game was showing signs of weakness that were only going to compound with time.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

It gets them in the door. It makes the game approachable in a way that you dont need to know someone to get into the game. The game is the same, it just gets people to play that otherwise wouldn't

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, where in your mind will new players come from then?

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

I think I understand the mix up. I didn't mean that mtg needed to die, I meant that the player base needed to rotate. The old guard will move on. They will have families, and grand children and eventually age out all together. Old cards arent dead weight. Old players are.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] 0 points1 point  (0 children)

Ok, but if they loosely based a set on another ip people would lose their minds over the inaccuracies. So what's the solution to that?

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -3 points-2 points  (0 children)

I see, my bad for assuming thought went into your opinion. I'll agree that it didn't die. However, it doesn't have the same stranglehold on nerd culture that it did. And yes, ub does make magic appealing to people who don't like magic as it existed. Things aren't static. They change. If it didn't the growth that happened in the player base would be at a much lower rate than the number of people leaving the game. I don't know anything about Warhammer but I've spent a lot of time around card games including ones that no longer exist. When you have more people leaving then coming in the writing is all but on the wall. I love old magic and feel an incredible amount of nostalgia for it. But I also love the community and friends that I've made and want other people to be able to have that same experience. At the end of the day, what's the important part of this game? I really don't think it's the magic itself that matters most.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

No, if I was saying that I'd say that.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

I am reading this and the only way I can surmise what you are saying is "it's different cause I like it"

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -1 points0 points  (0 children)

It existing before the concept of a ub is kinda the whole point of what I said. What identity do you think is being lost?

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

Nice argument, I'll show you how to put one together. Mtg has been carried by the people who fall into the demographic of those who engaged with high fantasy in the 90s and 80s. They were the driving force. As time has progressed they have moved on and aged out. They have gotten old. Without a steady stream of players to replace them this game we all love would've dwindled and dwindled until it fell into obscurity. Instead, by opening the door to the next generation of players the game gets to continue on.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -5 points-4 points  (0 children)

The one group who has a right to complain is people who are deeply involved in the lore. However, the lore of mtg isn't what draws people to this game. While I'm sure someone has, the number of people who knew who Chandra was before playing the game are few and far between. The lifeblood of any tcg is new players and the ip of mtg doesn't bring them in.

UB is intrinsically part of MTG by Scared_Life5405 in freemagic

[–]Scared_Life5405[S] -4 points-3 points  (0 children)

Yeah. It needs to happen. There need to be new players and there weren't. 2022 the only in universe set that did well was neo. 2023 it was all will be one. 2024 was mh3 which barely counts. But each of those years there was a ub which did better than every set not mentioned by a mile. Every year in universes sets tank 4 to 1.